Powder Valley just announced Alliant will stop producing canister powders for "unknown period" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/no-more-powder.930412/#post-12896451
ETA on 5/10/24 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...bstitutions-again.930422/page-2#post-12896956
ETA on 5/10/24 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...bstitutions-again.930422/page-2#post-12897037
So time to reactivate our "Same or similar/comparable powders" thread to replace Alliant powders.
Previous "Same or similar/comparable powders" thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ble-powders-during-component-shortage.890865/
(NOTE: This is a group project. If you see listing for similar/comparable powders with "?" better represented based on your experience, let us know and will update the list)
Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.
Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):
- Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
- Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
- Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
- Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
- Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
- Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
- Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
- Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
- Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
- Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
- Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414
Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):
- Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba 10
- Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba 9.5
- Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
- Alliant Red Dot and IMR Red
- Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads)
- Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
- Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV (for shotgun loads)
- Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
- Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Alliant Sport Pistol
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Vihtavuori N320
- Hodgdon Titegroup and IMR Target
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan AS (for pistol loads) / Prima V (for shotgun loads)
- Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
- Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V (for shotgun loads)
- Alliant Green Dot and Winchester W244?
- Alliant Green Dot and IMR Green?
- Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
- Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20/GM3 (for shotgun loads)
- Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
- Alliant Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba 9
- Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal
- Alliant Unique and IMR Unequal?
- Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
- Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
- Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86 (Power Pistol is canister version of BE-84 and slower burning than BE-86)
- Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
- Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
- Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
- Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
- CFE Pistol and Ramshot Silhouette?
- Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
- Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
- Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba 7.5
- Alliant Blue Dot and IMR Blue?
- Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
- Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba 6.5
- Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
- Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba 6.5
- Winchester W296/H110 and Vihtavuori N110
- Accurate 11FS and Winchester Alliant 300-MP/Hodgdon H110/Winchester W296?
- Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
- Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
- Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
- Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
- Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
- Ramshot TAC and Alliant AR Comp
- Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
- IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
- Hodgdon Varget and Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15/IMR 4064?
- Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and StaBALL Match
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
- Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
- Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
- Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
- Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
- Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
“... Vista Outdoor supply agreement for the sale of Alliant Powder canisters has been suspended for an unknown period. At this time, we have no timeline for the fulfillment and will be canceling outstanding Alliant orders in our system."
ETA on 5/10/24 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...bstitutions-again.930422/page-2#post-12896956
Got email verification from Powder Valley:
Jacob Love
From: [email protected]
To: John
Fri, May 10 at 6:44 AM
John,
This is a true post, and we weren’t hacked. Our Rep at The Kinetic Group reached out with that statement and told us any open POs we have open are no[w] cancelled in their system. They will reach out when they have something to ship us, last time we had to buy a 5 year supply of a couple different powders to get a small amount of powders that everyone is looking for.
Thanks,
Jacob Love
Powder Valley
Merchandising Manager
620-229-8685
ETA on 5/10/24 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...bstitutions-again.930422/page-2#post-12897037
OK, I went right to the source and called Alliant customer service just now at (866) 286-7436.
Person who answered the phone did verify that suspension of canister version of Alliant powders is indeed due to global shortage of nitrocellulose and while they are not stopping production of powder completely, canister versions will be suspended significantly while Alliant builds back up stock of nitrocellulose to resume large scale production again for canister powders. He could not comment when that would be.
When I asked for email confirmation and mentioned that THR member Paul @Alliant Reloading could not confirm/deny this announcement, he referred me to "Steve" who was in charge over him and to leave a message on voicemail for email reply.
This is Friday and it was indicated that Steve may not be in the office until next week. I will post back when I get an email response back from Steve.
So time to reactivate our "Same or similar/comparable powders" thread to replace Alliant powders.
Previous "Same or similar/comparable powders" thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ble-powders-during-component-shortage.890865/
(NOTE: This is a group project. If you see listing for similar/comparable powders with "?" better represented based on your experience, let us know and will update the list)
Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.
Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):
- Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
- Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
- Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
- Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
- Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
- Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
- Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
- Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
- Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
- Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
- Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414
Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):
- Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba 10
- Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba 9.5
- Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
- Alliant Red Dot and IMR Red
- Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads)
- Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
- Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV (for shotgun loads)
- Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
- Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Alliant Sport Pistol
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Vihtavuori N320
- Hodgdon Titegroup and IMR Target
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan AS (for pistol loads) / Prima V (for shotgun loads)
- Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
- Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V (for shotgun loads)
- Alliant Green Dot and Winchester W244?
- Alliant Green Dot and IMR Green?
- Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
- Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20/GM3 (for shotgun loads)
- Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
- Alliant Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba 9
- Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal
- Alliant Unique and IMR Unequal?
- Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
- Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
- Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86 (Power Pistol is canister version of BE-84 and slower burning than BE-86)
- Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
- Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
- Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
- Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
- CFE Pistol and Ramshot Silhouette?
- Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
- Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
- Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba 7.5
- Alliant Blue Dot and IMR Blue?
- Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
- Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba 6.5
- Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
- Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba 6.5
- Winchester W296/H110 and Vihtavuori N110
- Accurate 11FS and Winchester Alliant 300-MP/Hodgdon H110/Winchester W296?
- Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
- Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
- Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
- Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
- Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
- Ramshot TAC and Alliant AR Comp
- Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
- IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
- Hodgdon Varget and Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15/IMR 4064?
- Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and StaBALL Match
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
- Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
- Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
- Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
- Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
- Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
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