I could also add that I like living here.... minus some disagreements in laws, politics, and (fill in the bank) with any other gripes. My focus in life doesn't revolve solely around gun legislation.
Colorado Weapons Ban
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.455_Hunter
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Let's see- Good paying jobs held by my wife and I, kids in school, elderly parents, desirable property ownership, great weather and activities, plus 70 years of local family legacy.
RetiredUSNChief
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Yeah, there are a lot of factors that go into this. It's just like any other issue in that it has to be balanced with all the other things one finds important.
People move out, then they remove their voice from the group of people left to fight this.
People have roots, whether it's family, work, or even simply history.
People hold close to other issues in their home state that they prefer over that of other states.
For some, it's a really simple issue to move. For others, not so much.
It's kinda like politics in general: people actually rarely agree with everything a given political candidate or party stands on. And yet, our choices are quite often limited to two candidates for a given political office. Choices are driven by the relative weight one assigns to a given issue or issues. (Unfortunately, far too many people simple vote party because they insist on polarizing their own political stance.)
"Why did you vote for (candidate) when they are anti (issue)?"
"Because I have strong feelings about the sanctity of life, which I value more than (issue)."
There is too much weight in forums such as this over politics. Folks cannot afford to move. Give up your 3.5% mortgage for 7%? Folks need to work and jobs are not equally distributed based on professions. Folks, to be blunt, need to be with folks who are dying and/or incapable of taking care of themselves. So you can have a 17 round mag and watch them die long distance.
Folks also may want to fight the political fight in what they see as being their 'native' area.
All this says - saying you should move over a mag ban - to be rather simplistic.
Folks also may want to fight the political fight in what they see as being their 'native' area.
All this says - saying you should move over a mag ban - to be rather simplistic.
Howland937
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Just because firearms are a part of life for everyone here, it's unfair to assume that everyone here makes all their life decisions based on firearms ownership or infringements on firearms ownership.
I'm fortunate to live in an area where the pendulum is still swinging on an upward path, but not naive enough to believe that can't change. I feel for you folks that are living on that edge. We may all find ourselves without anywhere to run to soon enough.
I'm fortunate to live in an area where the pendulum is still swinging on an upward path, but not naive enough to believe that can't change. I feel for you folks that are living on that edge. We may all find ourselves without anywhere to run to soon enough.
And that there's the problem. Being a Colorado native and a 75 year old, I think I'll just make my stand here. My great grandfather and his two brothers first set foot in Colorado in 1888 (from Kentucky). Not giving up yet, this is home.
The situation would be solved in if the so-called 'Gods' of Scotus would get off their butts and act on the challenges to the principles to Bruen. Why they don't is a mystery?
Otto
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Magpul Industries moved and so did most of their 250 employees. As well HiViz Shooting Systems.
Taking a stand for your beliefs, freedoms and convictions is rarely “simple”.
Exactly. Magpul did the best thing they could to protest the laws, they left...with all the taxes they were paying. To suggest that entire families uproot because of new gun laws, is quite another thing.
As someone said above...soon there will be nowhere else to go.
Even that's not enough. The antigun factions weren't deterred by Heller, etc. and there's no reason to think a more crystalized vision of Bruen will be any different.
Besides that, big change is a confluence of events which shape a greater social attitude. Having a bunch of favorable supreme court decisions is useless if half the nation views gun owners as pariahs. Fixing that isn't within the reach of the judicial branch. Inaction from scotus isn't the central issue. Inaction and reluctance of gun owners to address an image problem (undeserved as it is), is what creates the environment for things like AWBs to exist in the first place. Successful movements start with broad support from the people. In the absence of that unanimity, we're just a fringe group trying to use the courts to cram some unpopular position down everyone else's throats.
Good analysis from The Reload
thereload.com
Analysis: The Dynamics Behind Colorado’s Failed ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban [Member Exclusive]
Legislators just failed to advance a proposed ban on the sale and transfer of so-called assault weapons in increasingly blue Colorado.
thereload.com
And there would be no one left to oppose the Antis. Everyone that pulls up roots and leaves strengthens the opposition and weakens our side.
If you're willing to get off your backside and move, first put the same effort in to stay.
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The Night Rider
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I know this borders on politics but if all of the pro Second Amendment people move to the pro Second Amendment states there will be more blue States than red States in this country. Which means we will have more pro gun control legislators in Washington. Which means that they will pass more gun restriction legislation on a national level.
Miami_JBT
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Correct.
Fleeing to "safe states" is a fool's errand. Because Colorado used to be a "safe state." Heck, as a Floridian I used to be jealous of Colorado's former freedoms.
Miami_JBT
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Gun Owners are politically apathetic and lazy. I deal with it all the time. Their political mindset is the following:
That is the case. When it came time to stand up to an antigun policy at work, I was the only one who spoke up. The 'boys' who talked the stopping power, buying guns, etc. themes and were 'conservative' said little to nothing. True, I had very strong job protections but I got my face out. Got on TV, spoke to the legislature, etc.
Miami_JBT
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When the Parkland gun control bill was being debated in FL by a Republican supermajority legislature. I was one of very few people to speak out against the bill. Out of a state of an estimated 7 to 10 million gun owners. I was the only private gun owner.
Yet, while that was all happening, Florida's gun owners had no problem going to the Tampa Bay Gun Show and buying more mags, ammo, and stripped lowers. Why? Because at the time, the Democrats introduced an amendment to have an AWB added to the gun control bill. Florida's gun owners, instead of fighting against it, mentally capitulated. They decided it was more important to "get mine while I can" instead of prevent it from happening in the first place.
Miami_JBT
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Firearms rights is the canary in the coal mine. I don't make my life's decisions simply based on gun rights. But by God, it is a damn good litmus test to see how my other rights are viewed amd treated.
Gun rights is a civil right. In fact, it is the last battle to be waged in the civil rights movement.
Howland937
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While I don't necessarily see gun owners as a whole as a fringe group, I fully agree that relying on the courts to rule in our favor isn't sustainable. We all know there's a problem but can't seem to agree on what the problem is or how to solve it. Then there are some that simply point out it didn't affect them personally so they couldn't care less.
Not sure it's the last since some much longer running battles are still unresolved. But, at least you didn't claim it's a God given right...
Miami_JBT
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It is an inalienable right. Something the Founders understood that existed even bore pen touched paper when the Constitution was drafted. Some beleive it is a God given right (as I do) and other beleive it is a human right.
Positions on gun control have been a leading indicator for politicians I've followed since I came of voting age. Its not the only issue, but it way more often than not predicts position on other issues, and I can usually guess the position based on that one issue.
Targa
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Very true and to add that being pushed out of what was once a great state and your home because of a fairly recent (within the last 20 years or so) plague of transplants is a tough pill to swallow. My wife and I are planning on leaving but with her parents here it is a tough decision.
OP
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I'm in the same boat. I hate the way the state is going, and I'd love to go back to Texas where I was born and raised, but I've got family here I can't walk out on and I've never been a quitter. There is still a lot of folks here willing to fight. I am one of them.
RetiredUSNChief
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I gotta say this, because I'm a stickler this way.
But "the Founders" said no such thing. The First Congress did, because the thirteen states who ratified the Constitution were insistent about the inclusion of a bill of rights. And every state had their own list which they wanted to see in that bill of rights.
Interestingly, while most (if not all, I don't remember for sure) DID include the RKBA as part of their lists, two states in particular were so adamant about this that they said "We'll ratify this Constitution, but if this (meaning not just a bill of rights, but the RKBA specifically) isn't addressed to our satisfaction in the First Congress we're packing our bags and leaving."
Those two states were North Carolina and (ironically, today) New York.
And you're right...by and large, the average gun owner is apathetic about taking actual action. But to be fair, this is human nature across the board, whether talking about politics, religion, or anything else. Most people just want to go about their business living their lives and being left alone. They're busy with other things in their lives, whatever those things may be, and unless there's an immediate and direct impact on them, it gets buried under other priorities.
