Private Sale Question

[XxWINxX94]

Hello everyone,

Just have a couple questions reguarding technicalities on a private sale. First off, let me start by saying that I'm in Illinois and that the scenario which I describe is legal, everyone is of proper age, we have FOID cards, etc.

My grandfather is GIVING me some rifles from his collection, there will be no money exchanged, the rifles/shotguns are basically gifts.

To keep it legal and everything, we are making a transfer form that will contain all of our information and signatures on one piece of paper - just like you would do normally at a gun show or other place.

Now, there are about 20 rifles/shotguns total that I am recieving and I thought that it would be a good idea to list multiple firearms on 1 transaction form, so we did not have to fill out 20 different individual forms, or 1 form per gun.

So my question is: Is this acceptable to do when transfering ownership of multiple firearms? Can more than 1 gun be listed on a transfer form?

All the required information (and a little more) are listed on the form; gun details, serial numbers, date, personal information, FOID card #s, etc.

Looking to get some input on this from the knowledgeable folks on THR.
Thanks!

 

[firesky101]

With it being a blood relative no paperwork would be required here. Perhaps our friendly neighborhood mod could move this to legal for a better answer.

 

[defjon]

I bought a fellow's collection and we listed several serial numbers/makes on a single bill of sale.

 

[SunnySlopes]

I copied this off the Illinois firearms website re private citizen transfer:

Private Citizen is defined as "Any person who is not a Federal Firearms Licensed
(FFL) gun dealer who desires to acquire or transfer firearms.”
• Seller and Buyer must possess a valid FOID card.
• Seller and Buyer must verify local firearm ordinance requirements.
• Buyer must display his or her valid FOID card prior to handling the firearm.
• Buyer must abide by the State of Illinois waiting period before taking possession of the firearm. The waiting period for a long gun is 24 hours and 72 hours for a hand gun.
• Seller must keep a record of such transfer for a period of 10 years from the date
of transfer.
• The record must contain the date of the transfer, the description, serial number,
or other information identifying the firearm if no serial number is available.
• Upon transfer of possession, the firearm must be unloaded and enclosed in
a case to transport.

Didn't say anything about multiple transfer/single bill of sale, so you look good to go on that point.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/firearms052104.pdf

 

[PapaG]

By law, all you have to do is exchange the following basic information:
what is being given/transferred/whatever to whom. Foid numbers. Retain those for ten years.
Done deal. As long, as you said, everyone is of age and has a valid FOID. (Here again, we in the Republik are the only state with such a thing as a FOID...another revenue enhancer)

 

[medalguy]

Geez. In Texas I just give my son a gun and he gives me a big hug and that's about the end of it. Oh yeah, we walk out back and shoot it.

 

[XxWINxX94]

Alright, looks like I'm good to go. Thanks for the information everyone, this should save us a lot of time. And boy do I wish I was in Texas or somewhere like it, nothing but problems here in IL!

 

[bikerdoc]

Geez. In Texas I just give my son a gun and he gives me a big hug and that's about the end of it. Oh yeah, we walk out back and shoot it.

Same in Virginia.

 

[Midwest]

"• Buyer must abide by the State of Illinois waiting period before taking possession of the firearm. The waiting period for a long gun is 24 hours and 72 hours for a hand gun"

I suggest adding to that transaction form ... the date and time on top, and then wait the required 24 hours and then sign the bottom with the date and time when you received it...noting the 24 hour difference. Maybe have it notarized...

 

[medalguy]

Yeah, but he's not a "buyer", does that make any difference? How does this affect a Christmas gift? "Do not open until (the day after) Christmas?"

 

[Sam1911]

Yeah, but he's not a "buyer", does that make any difference?

He is the "transferee" -- the one taking possession of the gun. Doesn't matter if it is a sale or a gift.

 

[Sam1911]

All this paper work and what the heck is a FOID card seems alien to me.

Seems like, then, you wouldn't be able to answer his question very well, would you?

move?

Aside from our general disapproval of the tired "move somewhere else" line anytime someone asks a question about complying with firearms laws, moving would appear to make his situation even more bothersome, as he'd now be a resident of another state and would thus have to transfer them all through an FFL dealer.

 

[Shadow 7D]

I thought Illinois you had to do it through a dealer like cali AND have the FOID thing.

 

[XxWINxX94]

Not that I know of, unless you are purchasing a gun coming from another state, which would be an FFL-to-FFL-to-resident transfer.

Yes, a form date and pickup date are on the form, and we are waiting a couple weeks for the actual transfer, as I can only make it out to grandfather's place occasionally, and would satisfy the 24 hour waiting requirement for every gun individually, if that is required.

Believe me, if I could live somewhere else, I would! Situation just doesn't permit as of right now, hopefully in the future though.

 

[HankB]

I would NOT put all the data on one form.

If for WHATEVER reason the whereabouts of ONE particular firearm becomes a question for the police or in a criminal investigation (suppose you report it stolen?) then producing one form with a lot of "extra" information gives "them" reason to go on a fishing expedition.

It IS Illinois, after all.

Separate forms give YOU the option of sharing as much or as little as you want.

(Assuming you're old enough and have had an FOID for long enough, are you sure your grandpa didn't give you these guns 10 years or more ago? In that case, he wouldn't have to retain a disposition record any longer . . . )

 

[mg.mikael]

I suggest adding to that transaction form ... the date and time on top, and then wait the required 24 hours and then sign the bottom with the date and time when you received it...noting the 24 hour difference. Maybe have it notarized...

I wouldn't worry about the waiting period. Take the guns and enjoy them, and thank your grandfather.

How the heck would IL even know if you waited 24 hours or not? They wouldn't, thus another idiotic un-enforceable law created by the nuts in Springfield.