I'm double pocket carrying now...any reason why I shouldn't?

StrikeFire83 · October 31, 2009, 12:33 AM

To make a long story short, I fell in love with pocket carry some time ago as it's a perfect solution for oppressive central Texas heat and my limited experiences trying to conceal a full-size handgun in 100 degree+ heat went nowhere. After pocket carrying a S&W 638 (j-frame .38 revolver) for over a year...I've slowly begun to fully trust that my Kahr PM9 (sub-compact 9mm) is dead nuts reliable and so I'm beginning to pocket carry it as well.

Several days ago I had an epiphany...why the hell not carry BOTH at the same time.

My Setup
-Right Pocket (strong side): Kahr PM9 in right handed Uncle Mike's pocket holster
-Left Pocket (weak side): Smith & Wesson 638 in left handed Uncle Mike's pocket holster
-Two seven round magazines in belt carriers
-iPhone on belt holster
-wallet in back pocket

Anyhow, aside from the loss of pocket space, are there any downsides to "double pocket carry" that I'm missing? I've been rolling this way for about a week now and I really like it. I feel very well armed and having the revolver for backup on my weak side seems like a good idea.

Comments and input WELCOME!

armoredman · October 31, 2009, 12:59 AM

If you like it, it's legal in your state, and you still have a place for your normal junk, keys, pocket knife, etc, go for it! A BUG is always a good thing, in my book.

Biker · October 31, 2009, 01:03 AM

None that I can think of, although the New York reload seems to make the extra ammo redundant. Having said that, it's your gunfight...

Biker

StrikeFire83 · October 31, 2009, 01:06 AM

Well, as far as the legality there's no prob in Texas with carrying 2 guns, just as long as they're properly concealed.

Don't carry a pocket knife though, I'm sorry to say. I'm sure the merits of to carry or not to carry a knife would be a whole other topic. My car has push button start so the keyfob stays deep in my left pocket until I get home anyway.

I'd think a second gun would trump a knife, but there are a lot of things that I knife can do that aren't SD related that would make it useful too.

sidheshooter · October 31, 2009, 01:13 AM

Hmm. Now you've got me thinking:

Q: what could be better than an LCP in the pocket?

A: TWO LCPs...

heh.

Seriously though, a small-to-medium locking folder with a clip could go in your waistband appendix carry-style and you'd never know it's there, FWIW.

StrikeFire83 · October 31, 2009, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Seriously though, a small-to-medium locking folder with a clip could go in your waistband appendix carry-style and you'd never know it's there, FWIW.

Very true. But seeing some guys' carry setups (3 guns, od spray, knife and flashlight) I don't want to get into Batman utility belt territory either. Maybe a small folding knife at the bottom of a pants pocket under holster...or might that constrain my draw?

boalex207 · October 31, 2009, 03:31 AM

Nothing wrong that I can see with double pocket carry (I've considered it myself, but declined only because it wouldn't leave enough room for my other stuff). I am firmly of the school of thought that a pocket carried handgun should NOT share that pocket with anything else.

In our HCP classes, we advocate pocket carry as a very viable, low profile option with the major downside being inability to draw from pocket carry if your strong side arm was disabled. Your double pocket carry setup makes that downside a moot point.

Biker's probably on to something that a fully stoked J-frame would probably negate the necessity of a reload for the Kahr.

Maybe swap one of those reload magazines, and the space it occupies, for the knife ?

StrikeFire83 · October 31, 2009, 03:54 AM

^ Good thinking. I only carry the reloads when in a situation where I can go with an un-tucked shirt, which pretty much limits that to weekends. I guess 7 rounds of +p 9mm at my right hand and 5 rounds +p .38 special at my left hand is enough for most social encounters I'm likely to find myself in.

I carry my keyfob deep down in the pocket, below the holster. That's really the only thing in either right or left pocket besides the guns themselves. Because I only need to be within 6 feet of my car to unlock the doors and start it up, I almost always go about my entire day without touching my "car keys" until I get home for the night. Might the keyfob interfere with a draw?

JCisHe · October 31, 2009, 07:17 AM

Where do you put your keys? Haha

Grey_Mana · October 31, 2009, 09:32 AM

Wallet in back pocket is a potential problem. Pickpockets like wallets in back pockets. The pickpocket won't know you are armed, and being armed won't help if he is proficient.

Someone who goes into the city a lot, uses mass transportation, or needs to do a lot of shopping has a different set of concerns.

**Lee Lapin** · October 31, 2009, 09:58 AM

As long as you don't go to New Mexico. Last time I passed through there, they only allowed concealed carry of one gun at the time. But it was OK with them to open carry the other one...

lpl

HydrostatiK · November 2, 2009, 11:50 PM

Why not ankle holster the revolver? Or whichever gun fits better like that.

DeepSouth · November 3, 2009, 12:01 AM

I would relocate one of the two to a ankle holster so I could have easier access to one while sitting/driving, but that is just me. For a reason why not to, the only ones I can think of would be strictly because of inconvenience and personal preference.

Why not three, one in each pocket and an ankle gun?

mesinge2 · November 3, 2009, 12:08 AM

I regularly carry my 3" Smith and Wesson model 64 in a custom pocket holester from Mika's Pocket Holesters (http://frontiernet.net/~akim/order.html) in my right pocket.

and a 1.875" Smith and Wesson pre-36 in my left pocket.

mgkdrgn · November 3, 2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Biker

None that I can think of, although the New York reload seems to make the extra ammo redundant. Having said that, it's your gunfight...

Biker

On that point I might tend to agree. If he gets to the point where he needs to reload, when carrying two fully loaded weapons ... he is probably in wayyyy over his head.

ilbob · November 3, 2009, 11:53 AM

Why not a BUG on each ankle as well?

I can't even carry one gun in this commie state.

B yond · November 3, 2009, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Seriously though, a small-to-medium locking folder with a clip could go in your waistband appendix carry-style and you'd never know it's there, FWIW.

When there's not a gun there, I carry a Gerber Fast Draw spring-assisted pocket knife IWB at 3:30. I clip it to my trousers and wear a belt over it so only a litle bit of the thin metal clip is showing. It is so comfortable I forget it is there and no one has ever noticed it.

I don't carry it so much as a weapon as a tool that could be used as a weapon in an emergency. I firmly believe everyone should carry a knife for ulility and preparedness purposes, wether they're willing to use it as a weapon or not. Ditto flashlights, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

KAK · November 3, 2009, 05:10 PM

Ok I think you should do this. 2 Kahrs each in high ride OWB holsters on left and right.

1 small framed revolver on each ancle....

A knive in your back pocket, A backpack with a 500 S&W magnum long barrel, 2 full size Glock 40s, 5 mags for each gun, and I guess a few smoke grenades.

slamfirev10 · November 3, 2009, 05:53 PM

hope this isn't a repost:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IskfFKiuh3Y

ChefKristian · November 3, 2009, 06:33 PM

How does that kid pee with all that on him... A full length pump shot gun AND an UZI?

What about a mid-leg holster underneath your pants while wearing baggy cargo pants. Cut the pocket out so you can reach it and then you can carry your full-size gun. Get the double under the armpit holsters, pocket carry one, 2 ankle holsters, and a mid-back holster. Of course you would not be able to sit down...Oh and the belt buckle derringer...You might get a little tired though, with carrying about 50 extra pounds on you.

armoredman · November 3, 2009, 06:40 PM

Quote:

I regularly carry my 3" Smith and Wesson model 64 in a custom pocket holester from Mika's Pocket Holesters (http://frontiernet.net/~akim/order.html) in my right pocket.

Still waiting on mine....
AZ doesn't care how many you carry, as long as they are legal, AND, we allow carry of anything on the National Registry. Soooo, if you have a Beretta 93R with three round burst with proper paperwork, you may carry that concealed on your AZ CCW permit. We also don't specify firearm, so if you want, while you have that tax stamped 93R under your left arm, get that Cobray Serbu super shorty 12 gauge under the right, a set of throwing knives and Viking war axe under a car coat, and still 100% legal. The jury might look at you funny, but you won't be breaking the law!

YammyMonkey · November 4, 2009, 02:13 AM

Accessing your pocket carried weapons in a FUT kind of fight is going to be difficult at best. Body shape will have an impact on your ability to belt-carry anything, but I never had an issue with a 1911 IWB, even in FL or in the S. TX heat/humidity/wind.

The anouncement that you're in a fight for your life could very well be when you're knocked on your back or have Home Slice McSaggingbritches stick his pistol in your "sensitive" parts. Both of those will require some old fashioned fighting before they require some new fangled gun fighting.

mesinge2 · November 4, 2009, 06:26 PM

armoredman, you're going to love that holster, he really does great work.

timetoreload · November 8, 2009, 04:52 AM

If you feel safer with two guns and can carry them without impeding your ability to conduct yourself normally on a daily basis, more power to you.

Quote:

How does that kid pee with all that on him...

He doesn't (especially considering that long barreled revolver would be sticking out his fly). That's some crazy liberal soccer mom's idea of how people carry guns. I swear the first time that kid tries to bend over for any reason those half dozen guns he has tucked into his waistband are going to come out onto the floor...

dondavis3 · November 8, 2009, 07:40 AM

No reason not to carry 2 pocket guns ... but the odds are one will do.

I carry enough in my pockets - keys / phone / change / wallet / pocket knife ... etc

I conceal carry for my own & my family's protection - very high odds are I wont actually need to draw and fight (thank God).

If there were no end to my concern / worry about zombies & BG's

Then why not carry 4 guns - one in each of my four pockets.

And one on each ankle .

And one under each arm.

and and - well you get my point.

But I know a guy that carries 2 guns and a combat knife and is a judo black belt.

Is he safer than me ... probably so

October 31, 2009, 12:33 AM	#1
StrikeFire83 Member Join Date: April 1, 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 434	I'm double pocket carrying now...any reason why I shouldn't? To make a long story short, I fell in love with pocket carry some time ago as it's a perfect solution for oppressive central Texas heat and my limited experiences trying to conceal a full-size handgun in 100 degree+ heat went nowhere. After pocket carrying a S&W 638 (j-frame .38 revolver) for over a year...I've slowly begun to fully trust that my Kahr PM9 (sub-compact 9mm) is dead nuts reliable and so I'm beginning to pocket carry it as well. Several days ago I had an epiphany...why the hell not carry BOTH at the same time. My Setup -Right Pocket (strong side): Kahr PM9 in right handed Uncle Mike's pocket holster -Left Pocket (weak side): Smith & Wesson 638 in left handed Uncle Mike's pocket holster -Two seven round magazines in belt carriers -iPhone on belt holster -wallet in back pocket Anyhow, aside from the loss of pocket space, are there any downsides to "double pocket carry" that I'm missing? I've been rolling this way for about a week now and I really like it. I feel very well armed and having the revolver for backup on my weak side seems like a good idea. Comments and input WELCOME! __________________ I respect your right to freedom of religion, so please respect mine. I own firearms in part to ensure my freedom FROM religions.

October 31, 2009, 12:59 AM	#2
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: AZ Posts: 10,466	If you like it, it's legal in your state, and you still have a place for your normal junk, keys, pocket knife, etc, go for it! A BUG is always a good thing, in my book. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of The United States of America, and to the Republic which it defines. http://www.correctionofficersmemorialwall.com/ http://czforum.com/

October 31, 2009, 01:03 AM	#3
Biker Member Join Date: March 10, 2005 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,993	None that I can think of, although the New York reload seems to make the extra ammo redundant. Having said that, it's your gunfight... Biker __________________ Let's actually do something about our immigration problems. www.numbersusa.com www.fairus.org Here's to cheating, stealing, fighting and drinking. If you cheat, may it be a death; if you steal, may it be a heart; if you fight, may it be for your Brother; and if you drink, may it be with me. "Bring me my broadsword and clear understanding..." Ian Anderson

October 31, 2009, 01:06 AM	#4
StrikeFire83 Member Join Date: April 1, 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 434	Well, as far as the legality there's no prob in Texas with carrying 2 guns, just as long as they're properly concealed. Don't carry a pocket knife though, I'm sorry to say. I'm sure the merits of to carry or not to carry a knife would be a whole other topic. My car has push button start so the keyfob stays deep in my left pocket until I get home anyway. I'd think a second gun would trump a knife, but there are a lot of things that I knife can do that aren't SD related that would make it useful too. __________________ I respect your right to freedom of religion, so please respect mine. I own firearms in part to ensure my freedom FROM religions.

October 31, 2009, 03:31 AM	#7
boalex207 Member Join Date: March 24, 2006 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 280	Nothing wrong that I can see with double pocket carry (I've considered it myself, but declined only because it wouldn't leave enough room for my other stuff). I am firmly of the school of thought that a pocket carried handgun should NOT share that pocket with anything else. In our HCP classes, we advocate pocket carry as a very viable, low profile option with the major downside being inability to draw from pocket carry if your strong side arm was disabled. Your double pocket carry setup makes that downside a moot point. Biker's probably on to something that a fully stoked J-frame would probably negate the necessity of a reload for the Kahr. Maybe swap one of those reload magazines, and the space it occupies, for the knife ? __________________ " Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. " President Theodore Roosevelt May, 1903

October 31, 2009, 01:13 AM	#5
sidheshooter Member Join Date: December 30, 2007 Location: NW Posts: 530	Hmm. Now you've got me thinking: Q: what could be better than an LCP in the pocket? A: TWO LCPs... heh. Seriously though, a small-to-medium locking folder with a clip could go in your waistband appendix carry-style and you'd never know it's there, FWIW.

October 31, 2009, 03:54 AM	#8
StrikeFire83 Member Join Date: April 1, 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 434	^ Good thinking. I only carry the reloads when in a situation where I can go with an un-tucked shirt, which pretty much limits that to weekends. I guess 7 rounds of +p 9mm at my right hand and 5 rounds +p .38 special at my left hand is enough for most social encounters I'm likely to find myself in. I carry my keyfob deep down in the pocket, below the holster. That's really the only thing in either right or left pocket besides the guns themselves. Because I only need to be within 6 feet of my car to unlock the doors and start it up, I almost always go about my entire day without touching my "car keys" until I get home for the night. Might the keyfob interfere with a draw? __________________ I respect your right to freedom of religion, so please respect mine. I own firearms in part to ensure my freedom FROM religions.

October 31, 2009, 07:17 AM	#9
JCisHe Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: Orion, MI Posts: 258	Where do you put your keys? Haha __________________ But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

October 31, 2009, 09:32 AM	#10
Grey_Mana Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: EST Posts: 531	Wallet in back pocket is a potential problem. Pickpockets like wallets in back pockets. The pickpocket won't know you are armed, and being armed won't help if he is proficient. Someone who goes into the city a lot, uses mass transportation, or needs to do a lot of shopping has a different set of concerns. __________________ John Locke wrote: Whenever the Legislators endeavour to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience.

October 31, 2009, 09:58 AM	#11
Lee Lapin Moderator Join Date: March 26, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 8,286	As long as you don't go to New Mexico. Last time I passed through there, they only allowed concealed carry of one gun at the time. But it was OK with them to open carry the other one... lpl __________________ MINDSET - SKILLSET - TOOLSET - IN THAT ORDER! -with props to COL John Boyd, USAF THR- Share what you do know, learn something you didn't know.

November 2, 2009, 11:50 PM	#12
HydrostatiK Member Join Date: November 1, 2009 Posts: 41	Why not ankle holster the revolver? Or whichever gun fits better like that.

November 3, 2009, 12:01 AM	#13
DeepSouth Member Join Date: January 14, 2009 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 657	I would relocate one of the two to a ankle holster so I could have easier access to one while sitting/driving, but that is just me. For a reason why not to, the only ones I can think of would be strictly because of inconvenience and personal preference. Why not three, one in each pocket and an ankle gun? __________________ Don't be afraid of the enemy! Remember the Lord, who is great and glorious, and fight for your friends, your families, and your homes! Nehemiah 4:14

November 3, 2009, 12:08 AM	#14
mesinge2 Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Posts: 536	I regularly carry my 3" Smith and Wesson model 64 in a custom pocket holester from Mika's Pocket Holesters (http://frontiernet.net/~akim/order.html) in my right pocket. and a 1.875" Smith and Wesson pre-36 in my left pocket. __________________ "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise. I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind ... Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." 1785, Thomas Jefferson.

November 3, 2009, 11:53 AM	#16
ilbob Member Join Date: June 14, 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 5,584	Why not a BUG on each ankle as well? I can't even carry one gun in this commie state. __________________ bob Disclaimers: I am not a lawyer, cop, soldier, gunsmith, politician, plumber, electrician, or a professional practitioner of many of the other things I comment on in this forum.

November 3, 2009, 05:10 PM	#18
KAK Member Join Date: November 2, 2009 Posts: 75	Ok I think you should do this. 2 Kahrs each in high ride OWB holsters on left and right. 1 small framed revolver on each ancle.... A knive in your back pocket, A backpack with a 500 S&W magnum long barrel, 2 full size Glock 40s, 5 mags for each gun, and I guess a few smoke grenades.

November 3, 2009, 05:53 PM	#19
slamfirev10 Member Join Date: September 20, 2009 Posts: 11	hope this isn't a repost: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IskfFKiuh3Y

November 3, 2009, 06:33 PM	#20
ChefKristian Member Join Date: October 20, 2009 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 24	^^^ How does that kid pee with all that on him... A full length pump shot gun AND an UZI? What about a mid-leg holster underneath your pants while wearing baggy cargo pants. Cut the pocket out so you can reach it and then you can carry your full-size gun. Get the double under the armpit holsters, pocket carry one, 2 ankle holsters, and a mid-back holster. Of course you would not be able to sit down...Oh and the belt buckle derringer...You might get a little tired though, with carrying about 50 extra pounds on you. __________________ Some days, you are the Dog...some days, you are the hydrant...

November 4, 2009, 02:13 AM	#22
YammyMonkey Member Join Date: January 6, 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 770	Accessing your pocket carried weapons in a FUT kind of fight is going to be difficult at best. Body shape will have an impact on your ability to belt-carry anything, but I never had an issue with a 1911 IWB, even in FL or in the S. TX heat/humidity/wind. The anouncement that you're in a fight for your life could very well be when you're knocked on your back or have Home Slice McSaggingbritches stick his pistol in your "sensitive" parts. Both of those will require some old fashioned fighting before they require some new fangled gun fighting. __________________ Training in Colorado: NRA Basic Pistol: Oct 31 & Dec 12 NRA Personal Protection in the Home: Sept 26 & Nov 14

November 4, 2009, 06:26 PM	#23
mesinge2 Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Posts: 536	armoredman, you're going to love that holster, he really does great work. __________________ "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise. I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind ... Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." 1785, Thomas Jefferson.

November 8, 2009, 07:40 AM	#25
dondavis3 Member Join Date: October 28, 2009 Location: Dallas / Forth Worth Area Posts: 62	No reason not to carry 2 pocket guns ... but the odds are one will do. I carry enough in my pockets - keys / phone / change / wallet / pocket knife ... etc I conceal carry for my own & my family's protection - very high odds are I wont actually need to draw and fight (thank God). If there were no end to my concern / worry about zombies & BG's Then why not carry 4 guns - one in each of my four pockets. And one on each ankle . And one under each arm. and and - well you get my point. But I know a guy that carries 2 guns and a combat knife and is a judo black belt. Is he safer than me ... probably so

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