Female Cop Re: Ft. Hood Is "Firearms Expert"

[ChefKristian]

A true testament to bravery, regardless of who gets credit for bringing the madman down... To face mortal danger is a terrible thing, but to face mortal danger in order to preserve the lives of the innocent is perhaps the noblest action anyone could ever do...

[happygeek]

and to face mortal danger while defenseless because you followed the law that forbids carrying on post while the BG ignored the law is? It would seem that the Army plans to investigate the murderer to determine motive and see what signs can be heeded in the future. Meanwhile the Brady Bunch will blame the FN Five Seven (see, the evil pistol used it's Jedi mind control on the MAJ and caused him to murder people. The MAJ was innocent, the pistol is to blame. Clearly, we must ban it).

[BADSBSNF81]

Old saying from my military days - Nothing is ever as good or bad as first reported.

At this point in time who shot who and how many times has not been definitivley established.

[9MMare]

Originally Posted by Mr.Davis

Wow, truly a testament to modern active shooter protocol and her own bravery and selfless devotion to protecting others.

x2

She's a true hero.

[rocinante]

MARK TODD. I absolutely consider Mrs. Munley a heroine that with courage and determination put herself in harms way and paid the price BUT MARK TODD gets totally left out of the media reports as is only referred to as "her partner". The gist of what really happened is Major Jihad went behind a building, Munley went around one side, TODD went around the other. Munley engaged Major Jihad first and went down with wounds. Unknown whether she hit him or not. MARK TODD rounded the corner, saw Major Jihad finding cover behind a telephone pole, they exchanged fire and Major Jihad went down. I think the narrative of a female taking down a chauvinist muslim maniac is too compelling for the media but it may not be the total truth.

MARK TODD
MARK TODD
MARK TODD

MARK TODD WAS THERE TOO

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/07/...ers/index.html

"her partner"

[FROGO207]

Responding OFFICERS did what was NEEDED to end a bad situation. It could have ended the polar opposite had the other partner engaged the MAJ first. I am sure that they saved countless other lives by their actions that day.
Staring down death and winning deserves our total respect.

[PX15]

JMOfartO:

Not to offend anyone's religion, but I think it "poetic justice" that this radical Muslim was brought down by a FEMALE police officer..

I hadn't heard about the other Policeman who was directly involved, but hope he gets recognition as is the Lady officer if it is deserved.

Jesse

[longbeard48]

I may be getting off topic a bit here, but I believe it is a sad state of affairs when our military depends on rent-a-cops to handle the security on their bases. Whatever happened to good old MP's?

[jaysouth]

Great job by this officer. I am confident that she will be long remembered as a hero and the person who stopped this cold blooded killer.

However, I am amazed by the NY Times. This article is entirely out of character for them. I would have expected:

"Redneck whack job gun nut slays muslem, is this a hate crime"

I'm glad they got it right for once.

[bdickens]

Originally Posted by longbeard48

I may be getting off topic a bit here, but I believe it is a sad state of affairs when our military depends on rent-a-cops to handle the security on their bases. Whatever happened to good old MP's?

Any time the military has something really important to do, they hire civillians to do it.

[jaysouth]

This lady was a sworn state certified LEO who was employed by the fedgov as a police officer. Some installations have military MPs, civilian MPs who are state certified LEOs and contract security gate guards.

Every post is different in this respect. Its all up to the head bean counter who is balancing budgets for that installation.

[WingRider]

A true hero. You never know when the call will come, but she knew how she would answer. Prayers for a speedy recovery to her and all the wounded.
Off topic: How was this nutjob able to wear the uniform? Should have been in prison

[Jim Keenan]

I hope this incident will help remove a lot of the military dislike and distrust of DoD police. In my service time, military bases were patrolled by MP's and bases had MP detachments, separate from the MP units stationed there as integral parts of their divisions. To reduce costs, most bases were later required to use security guards hired through the General Services Administration; while many were competent and efficient, they were given only minimal police training and issued only sidearms and, rarely, shotguns. They had no access to military weapons and even after most police had gone to auto pistols, they were still carrying Victory Model S&Ws. They were universally scorned by both military and other civilian DoD employees as "rent-a-cops". One result was that those who tried to get jobs with police or sheriff's departments found that the security guard designation did not equate to experience in police work.

Still later, the security force was renamed "DoD Police" and it seems those Ft. Hood officers were in that category. The new force is highly professional, with training and equiment at least equal to that of the best local and state police forces, though still directed more toward base security ("force protection") than other police forces. Some have commissions as state or local LEOs as well as federal officers.

Most of the news media seems not to be able to handle the idea of a "civilian" police force on a military base. One report said the officers were from the Killeen Police Department, and another even suggested they were Texas Rangers!

The Ft. Hood incident will have at least one positive result if it puts an end to the "rent-a-cop" image still in the minds of many in the military and civil service.

Jim

[jaholder1971]

The term brass balls doesn't really apply...

How about "Ovaries of Steel"?

[makarovnik]

Yup. Level the playing field so the bullies don't rule the world.

She's one awesome cop.

[SharpsDressedMan]

JK, thans for the notes on the DOD police. I used to be an MP years ago, and such info brings me up to date on what changes have come about at Army forts, etc.

[batjka]

The crazy thing is that the officer that had neutralized the terrorist, Sgt Todd, is not being mentioned anywhere. Any idea why?

[rocinante]

The crazy thing is that the officer that had neutralized the terrorist, Sgt Todd, is not being mentioned anywhere. Any idea why?

Because the media and apparently the whole nation has adopted my yarn spinning grand father's axiom. Never let the truth ruin a good story. Female cop taking down the chauvanistic jihadist single handed is just too rich. Why spoil the spiel? Sigh.

[batjka]

This is the AP article :

"Officer describes firefight that downed Hasan
By JAY ROOT (AP) – 3 hours ago

KILLEEN, Texas — One of two police officers who confronted the alleged Fort Hood killer says he shot Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan before kicking the man's weapon away, handcuffing him and ending the nation's worst killing spree on a military base.

Sgt. Mark Todd joined Sgt. Kimberly Munley, hailed as a hero for her actions, in a firefight with Hasan that lasted less than a minute. Todd, 42, was not wounded, but the exchange left Munley injured and Hasan critically wounded.

Seconds after Todd arrived on the scene, he said he saw a calm-looking Hasan, his gun drawn and his fingers pointing at people.

"He was firing at people as they were trying to run and hide," Todd told The Associated Press Saturday.

That's when Todd, a retired soldier who now works as a civilian police officer at Fort Hood, said he shouted at Hasan.

"I told him stop and drop your weapons. I identified myself as police and he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word ... he just turned and fired."

There has been confusion since Thursday's rampage about whose bullets actually brought down Hasan, who was shot four times. At first, Munley's supervisor said it was her shot to Hasan's torso that leveled him, but Army officials would only say that an investigation was under way.

Munley was down by the time he engaged Hasan, Todd said. He wasn't sure if Munley had wounded the suspect, because "once he started firing at me, I lost track of her."

Todd said he fired his Beretta at Hasan. Hasan flinched, Todd said, then slid down against a telephone pole and fell on his back. Todd says he then heard bystanders say "two more, two more."

At first he thought they meant there were two more suspects, but realized they were urging him to fire two more rounds at Hasan, thinking he was still posing a threat.

Todd approached the suspect and saw that he still had a weapon in his hand. Todd kicked away the gun, which he said had a laser-aiming device attached to it.

"He was breathing, his eyes were blinking. You could tell that he was fading out. He didn't say anything. He was just kind of blinking," said Todd.

Todd handcuffed Hasan and checked to see if he was still alive. "He had a good pulse," said Todd. He also cut off pieces of Hasan's clothes so he could get first aid and noticed Hasan had gunshot wounds on his side and back.

From the time he got to the scene until Hasan dropped, the whole encounter lasted only about 30-45 seconds, Todd said. "It was pretty intense. There was a lot of people shouting, a lot of people giving directions," he said.

Munley, whose injuries weren't believed to be life threatening, won wide praise after the incident.

Fort Hood spokesman Col. John Rossi read a statement on Munley's behalf Saturday night. He said she and her family were thankful for the support and prayers that have come their way.

Rossi said Munley underwent a second surgery Saturday and is in good condition. She is most concerned that the wounded make a speedy recovery.

When Munley arrived at Metroplex Adventist Hospital in Killeen on Thursday she was rushed into surgery within minutes, said Dr. Scott McAninch. He said she had "lost a lot of blood," especially from a gunshot wound to her left leg that had hit an artery, and praised first responders for using a tourniquet.

"That pretty much saved her life," McAninch said.

Associated Press writers April Castro and Mike Baker contributed to this report."

Now, you tell me who shot the terrorist. I hope for Officer Munley's full recovery. I also hope she won't get caught in all this media hype and will at least give some credit to Sgt Mark Todd for shooting the guy and saving numerous lives, along with her own.

[Noveldoc]

Yes, I am proud of Officer Nunley and thank you folks for giving me Officer Todd's name. Took some major big brass stones or ovaries to rush to the sound of the guns and engage in a stand up gun fight to bring the perp down.

I find it quite annoying though that nobody is mentioning the courage of the ordinary GIs there. We have people who could have run to safety getting wounded when they dragged a comrade out. And then going back in to save more wounded. And medics next door at a graduation ceremony rushing in to do the same. And we have the combat first aid trained GIs and medics then supplying expert trauma care, even if it meant tearing off their own clothing to make bandages. They saved a lot of lives.

These Jihadists need to take note. One of their number thought he was going to cow and intimidate US soldiers but what he got was a shining example of professionalism and courage under fire. He thought he was going to scare everyone when he perverted a name of God into a battle cry but there were other battle cries unspoken that day like, "You never leave your wounded." and "The medic always comes."

I am a vet and I cannot begin to tell you how proud I am of those young people who have joined our ranks.

Tom

[MinnMooney]

Wow. She was running at the shooter while shooting and being shot three times. She took him down and saved ?(how many) lives.

She is a gutsy cop intent on helping those in need.

[Zoogster]

Just curious, but are soldiers not allowed to carry concealed on military bases?

No, ironically most sections of a military base are for all practical purposes a "gun free zone".
So they really are ripe targets. The flow of traffic in and out of a base is constant, resulting in limited reasonable searches, while those who follow the rules should not have firearms except some registered in private housing. Certainly not carried on thier person.
Which of course creates the situation where anyone willing to simply violate the rules and bring a firearm to most locations of a base will only face unarmed targets until the MPs arrive. (Or a civilian police officer where they also operate like in this case.) Whether that firearm comes from off base, is one of the registered ones supposed to be in a private residence, or is obtained from an armory or training. It will often be the only firearm present.
All the other guns are properly locked up as required. Soldiers cannot even carry knives on many bases.

So when the psychiatrist goes nuts, like in this case, then only he is armed.

[Ala Dan]

Hit your knees and thank GOD for Sgt. Munley~!