URGENT in WA State: Anti-Gun Hearing THIS TUESDAY. Please Read!!!!!!!

[MOAMike]

Guys,
This is an extremely important piece of information that I received from a Republican Legislator who I know personally. It's frightening, so let's try and do something about this before it's too late!!!! Pass it on to every gun owner you know in WA. Send it to the NRA, GOA, and every other organization you know of. Call your legislator and tell them "Hell No!".

This is serious.
Mike

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This is urgent, I was contacted this afternoon for help in spreading the word on this issue from a state lobbyist, on a scale from 1-10 this is a ten, remember that both houses are controlled in Olympia now by Democrats.

Some of you may know that I serve on a couple of Washington Sportsmen boards, and even as a hunter this issue concerns me. Let’s show support and unity and tell these elected officials that have no common sense no on the following issues. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

What: Hearing on firearms issues Tuesday January 25,2005

Where: Senate hearing Room 1 J.A. Cherberg Building Olympia Wa.

Time: 3:30PM



The following bills have a hearing on them:

· Fifty caliber ban of 2005 (S-0541.1)

· SB 5343 Regulating the sale of firearms at gun show and events (background checks on trading, selling, and requiring a federal firearms license, also a fee paid to the state patrol for the transaction)

· SB 5342 Encouraging safe storage of firearms ( owner can be prosecuted if a child (under16) gains access to a loaded firearm)

· Assault weapons ban of 2005 (S-0230.2) (I have been told this covers all semi-auto riffles, at this time it is not on the state website in detail) mini 14, Ruger 10-22, etc. matches this description which is used by hunters also.

I was also informed that they need bodies to show up to this hearing, it was put as one of the most anti gun movement biggest moves in over a decade in Washington. If you cannot attend please call 1-800-562-6000 and tell your legislator NO on these bills. We need to show support or these will pass and others to follow in future years. Do I need to say California, Canada, etc.

[abaddon]

I went to the Washington State Legislature's home page and searched for "firearms" under the find a bill search engine. Here's what I found

http://www.leg.wa.gov/wsladm/billinf...hterm=firearms

No mention of a .50 caliber ban or anything like an assault weapon ban. Can you give me any other means of verification? I can't make it to the meeting and I'm not going to call/write my state senator unless I have definite information. "Some guy on the internet told me..."

Regarding the "gun show loophole" bill and the safe ownership bill:

Washington Arms Collectors is the only gun show in Washington and they require background checks in order to become a member. Only members can buy firearms. Doesn't this make the bill meaningless or does the bill require a background check for each transaction?

The safe ownership bill seems to be a good one to me. It doesn't apply if it was locked up or if the gun was acquired through breaking and entering. If your kids aren't responsible around firearms and you still fail to lock them up then there should be penalties involved.

Jeff

[edited for clarity]

[MOAMike]

Dig a little deeper before you cast it off as BS........ Here's what you're looking for......

Washington Arms Collectors is the only gun show in Washington and they require background checks in order to become a member. Only members can buy firearms. Doesn't this make the bill meaningless or does the bill require a background check for each transaction?

If you read the actual bill, it states that ANYONE who sells or trades a firearm at a show (any show) MUST BE A LICENCED FIREARMS DEALER. That is very different than what is in place now. All you have to do to sell or trade a firearm there is to be a member, NOT an FFL Holder. Big difference.

And, read further at: http://www.leg.wa.gov/committees/sto...D24%2D05%2Ehtm

It states: Judiciary

Senate Full Committee Senate Hearing Rm 1 1/25/05 3:30 pm TVW

J. A. Cherberg Building

Olympia, WA



Public Hearing:

1. SB 5131 - Revising provisions concerning possession of firearms by persons found not guilty by reason of insanity.

2. Sale of firearms at gun shows (S-0192.1).

3. Safe storage of firearms (S-0191.1).

4. Fifty caliber gun ban of 2005 (S-0541.1).

5. Assault weapons ban of 2005 (S-0230.2).

6. Renewing a concealed pistol license by members of the armed forces (S-0032.1).



Possible executive session on bills heard in committee. Other business.



Senate Full Committee Senate Hearing Rm 1 1/26/05 3:30 pm

J. A. Cherberg Building

Olympia, WA


I'll tell you this much, if you simply say that it's okay to legislate "safe keeping" laws and others, you have given them free reign to make other changes as they see fit. Someday you'll wake up and find your rights gone.

Mike

[pax]

abaddon ~

Oh, it's true all right. This came from Joe Waldron, of the Gun Owner's Action League.

I'll be at the meeting, and hope you will be too.

pax

GOAL Post 2005-3

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Legislative Update from Olympia 21 January 2005

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MAJOR ANTI-GUN BILLS FILED

HEARING SCHEDULED 25 JANUARY

MAXIMUM ATTENDANCE REQUESTED

Recall during the campaign period Democrat presidential candidate John
Kerry taking photo ops at a trap range in Wisconsin, receiving a shotgun
at a union rally in West Virginia and going goose hunting in Ohio? Or
all the talk in the newspaper op-ed pages by Democrats after the
election about reaching out to “red staters?”

Forget about it.

Several extremist gun control bills have been scheduled for a public
hearing ? even before bill numbers are assigned (thus preventing the
public from obtaining copies of the bills or referencing bill numbers
when calling their legislators). One bill will ban possession of
“assault weapons” in the state, with the definition of “assault weapon”
being much broader than the recently-expired Clinton gun ban. For
example, under the Washington bill, M1 carbines and Ruger Mini-14s would
be banned, as would any detachable magazine semi-auto or pump rifle or
shotgun with a SINGLE “military feature.” No more than 10 rounds may be
loaded in any magazine (even in your HOME) except at a recognized firing
range. Another bill bans rifles chambered for the .50 caliber Browning
machine gun cartridge (.50 BMG). Both bills will allow those who
currently possess such firearms to keep them (if you owned it BEFORE the
effective date) ? but ONLY after registering it with local police,
undergoing a background check (for an unspecified fee), renewing the
registration and background check ANNUALLY ? again for an unspecified
fee, and the best part: Law enforcement agencies are allowed to conduct
an annual inspection of your home to ensure you are “safely and
securely” storing the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle properly (no
definition of “safely and securely” is given). Assault weapons and .50
BMG rifles may only be possessed at home, at a range, or transporting
directly in between those locations. Under an “emergency clause,” the
laws take effect as soon as Governor Gregoire signs them.

That’s the quick and dirty explanation of the impact of the bills. As
soon as bill numbers are assigned and you can obtain copies from the
Legislative Web Site or the Bill Room, I will send another GOAL message.

The old “Whitney Graves” safe storage bill has been refiled as SB 5342
(Senator Kohl-Welles, D-36). If a child obtains your loaded firearm, you
may be found guilty of a gross misdemeanor and face a year in jail, even
if no harm resulted. Amazingly, if someone is harmed as a result of the
act, the prosecuting attorney is given explicit permission to DECLINE to
prosecute. This is bizarre!

SB 5343 (Senator Kohl-Welles, D-36) is the same old Washington Ceasefire
“gun show loophole” bill that’s been beating around for four years now.
It would require ALL firearms transferred at a gun show to be processed
by a licensed federal firearms dealer, subject to a background check,
with an unspecified fee to be charged by the state patrol (AND a fee to
be charged by the dealer, naturally). The definition of “gun show”
includes the parking lots and other curtilage areas of a gun show,
placing the burden of patrolling the parking lot on the gun show promoter.

SB 5344 (Senator Fairley, D-32) would make it a criminal offense to
possess a firearm inside the Legislative Building (capitol building) on
the state Capitol Campus. The Washington State Patrol would be required
to provide lock boxes or some other form of secure storage for
lawfully-carried pistols. This is the same provision that is in place
for court houses… that routinely refuse to accept firearms for safekeeping.

There have been a couple of pro-gun bills filed this week as well. SB
5167 (Hargrove, D-24) allows persons who lawfully possess suppressors
(silencers) to actually shoot with them, an act now prohibited by state
law. SB 5167 is not currently scheduled for a hearing. Another as-yet
unnumbered bill is one from Senator Pam Roach (R-31) that would extend
the validity of CPLs possessed by military members if they are deployed
out of state. Their 90-day clock on renewal would start upon their
return. That bill will be heard with the anti-gun bills on 25 January.

Bills have been filed in both the Senate (SB 5383) and House (HB 1213)
that would put a lower age limit on hunting license issuance, 10 years
of age. It would also limit attendance at the state-mandated hunter ed
courses to those aged 10 and over. Children younger than 10 could still
attend other firearms safety courses.

A public hearing on SBs 5131, 5342, 5343, 5344, the a/w ban, the .50 BMG
ban and the military CPL renewal bill will be held on Tuesday, 25
January in Senate Hearing Room 1, John A. Cherberg Senate Office
Building. The hearing runs from 3:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. WE NEED AS MANY
PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO ATTEND THIS HEARING, and to sign in on the sign-in
sheet taking a “pro” (for) or “con” (against) position.

If you know of any pro-gun police officers or retired officers who might
be able to attend and speak against the anti-gun bills, it would help
immensely. Without doubt the “cop lobby” will speak in favor of the bills.

BILL STATUS:

Bill # Subject Sponsor Status

SB 5041 Sentencing range McCaslin (R-4) S. Jud.

SB 5131 Insanity finding/firearms Carrell (R-28) S.Jud.

SB 5167 Firearm suppressors Hargrove (D-24) S.Jud.

SB 5342 Safe storage of firearms Kohl-Welles (D-36) S.Jud.

SB 5343 Gun show loophole Kohl-Welles (D-36) S.Jud.

SB 5344 Capitol campus gun ban Fairley (D-32) S. Jud.

SB 5383 Juvenile hunting licenses Oke (R-26) S. NatRes

SB xxxx Assault weapon ban Kline (D-37) S. Jud.

SB xxxx .50 BMG rifle ban Kline (D-37) S. Jud.

SB xxxx deployed military CPL renewal Roach (R-31) S. Jud.

HB 1133 Public disclosure law Nixon (R-45) H. StatGov

HB 1213 Juvenile hunting licenses Clements (R-14) H.NatRes

HJM 4002 Manufacturer protection Curtis (R-18) H.Jud.

Key to abbreviations: S. = Senate, H. = House, HJM = House Joint
Memorial, Jud = Judiciary, CJ&J = Criminal Justice & Corrections,
Fish/Ecol = Fisheries, Ecology & Parks, JuvJust = Juvenile Justice, Educ
= Education, LocGov = Local Government, NatRes = Natural Resources; W&M
= Ways and Means

GOAL position on bills:

SB 5041 Neutral

SB 5131 Neutral

SB 5167 Support

SB 5342 Oppose

SB 5343 Oppose

SB 5344 Concerns

SB 5383 Concerns

a/w ban Oppose

.50 ban Oppose

mil. CPL Support

HB 1133 Neutral

HB 1213 Concerns

HJM 4002 Support

Note: Our position on bills may change as they are amended and move
through the process.

HEARINGS SCHEDULED:

Senate Judiciary 3:30 p.m. 25 Jan Senate Hearing Rm 1

Public testimony will be taken on seven gun bills, three of which don’t
even have bill numbers as this is being written. The bills are SBs 5131,
5342, 5343, 5344, the assault weapon ban, the .50 BMG rifle ban, and the
deployed military CPL renewal.

LEGISLATIVE HOT LINE: You may reach your Representatives and Senator by
calling the Legislative Hotline at 1-800-562-6000. Toll free!!! The
hearing impaired may obtain TDD access at 1-800-635-9993. Also toll free!!!

1-800-562-6000 TDD 1-800-635-9993

OTHER DATA: Copies of pending legislation (bills), legislative schedules
and other information are available on the legislature's web site at
"www.leg.wa.gov". It's available in two versions: text (.txt) file or
Acrobat (.pdf) file. The "Acrobat" version is preferred as it is easier
to read and is an exact copy of the hard copy format the legislators
use. You may download a free version of Adobe Acrobat from Adobe's web
site. You may also obtain hard copy bills, initiatives, etc, in the mail
from the Legislative Bill Room FREE OF CHARGE by calling 1-360-786-7573.
Copies of bills may also be ordered toll free by calling the Legislative
Hotline at (800) 562-6000. You may also hear floor and committee hearing
action live at http://www.tvw.org/ (you need "RealAudio" to do this,
available free at the TVW web site).

By reading the House and Senate "bill reports" (hbr, sbr) for each bill,
you can see how individual committee members voted. By reading the "roll
call" for each bill, you can see how the entire House or Senate voted on
any bill. The beauty of the web site is that ALL this information is
available, on line, to any citizen.

GET THE WORD OUT: If you want to subscribe to the GOAL Post by e-mail,
send a message to "jwaldron@halcyon.com". Please pass GOAL Post on to
anyone you believe may have an interest in protecting our rights. Better
yet, make a couple of copies of this message, post it on your gun club’s
bulletin board, and leave copies with your local gun shop(s). PERMISSION
IS HEREBY GRANTED TO DUPLICATE OR REDISTRIBUTE GOAL POST PROVIDED IT IS
REPRODUCED IN ITS ENTIRETY WITHOUT TEXTUAL MODIFICATION AND CREDIT IS
GIVEN TO GOAL. I can be reached at "jwaldron@halcyon.com" or (during
session) by telephone at (425) 454-4915. Unfortunately, I am unable to
mail hard copy GOAL Post to individuals. Limited numbers of hard copies
MAY be available at WAC gun shows.

Upcoming WAC gun show(s):

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Puyallup 5-6 February

Monroe 12-13 February

"The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself,
or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall
be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize,
maintain or employ an armed body of men."

Article 1, Section 24

Constitution of the State of Washington

Copyright 2005 Gun Owners Action League of WA

[abaddon]

Like I said, I can't make the meeting but I'll be writing a letter tomorrow.

Jeff

[pax]

Everyone ~


If you live in Washington, and there's any way at all you can be at the hearing ... please do come.

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Jeff ~

Writing is a good idea. Writing and calling -- even better.

I figure part of the reason they are rushing this through is because they figure the last-minute crush is going to keep gun owners away. Not to mention SHOT Show next week taking a good portion of the attention of everyone in the industry.

Washington Arms Collectors is the only gun show in Washington ...

Just so you know -- it's not.

pax

[abaddon]

Make that call and write.

Just so I don't sound stupid, though, does anyone have any statistics about the fact that assault weapons are almost never used in crime? Washington Cease Fire (http://www.washingtonceasefire.org/lobbygroup.asp) has a "fact sheet" on their website that throws out a bunch of Brady Center statistics.
I won't have time to do much research before the meeting so if someone has it handy that would be great.

Jeff

PS: Pax, what's the other gun show?

[carnaby]

Damn! If this was not Tuesday I could make it. I wrote the following to my three dem legislators

I've just become aware that the state legislature is considering a new assault weapons ban. I find this to be highly disconcerting. I am an avid shooting sports member and I strongly support the second amendment of the united states constitution. Of course, the purpose of the second amendment has nothing to do whatsoever with hunting and sporting. It is primarily there to safeguard each individual American's right to arms in defense of liberty from the tyranny of the state or any other potential oppressor.

As such, the types of weapons with "military features" that are being considered in the ban are exactly the types of arms the Framers intended to protect. Contrary to the notions of gun-control groups like the Brady Campaign and the Violence Policy Center, these types of weapons are used in an insignificant number of crimes compared to other types of weapons. The United States Department of Justice and the FBI have both made this very clear. The recently expired federal ban on so-called assault weapons had no impact whatsoever on crime, but did infringe on the constitutionally protected rights of American citizens.

Most pro gun-rights citizens recognize these types of bans, which are primarily cosmetic with little plausible potential impact on crime, as another step down the slippery slope that inevitably leads to total gun confiscation, as was the case in England.

As your constituent, I ask that you please act against any gun-control measures that involve banning certain types of firearms or include gun registration. It is no surprise that the states with the most criminal violence (NY, NJ, IL, CA) also have the most gun control. Gun control does not work, and only disarms the law abiding majority among us.

I am fully in favor of extremely tough laws and sentences for criminal use of firearms. The record has shown that tough laws, sentences, and strong enforcement of these laws is the best deterrent to gun violence. Additionally, before any mention of the DC snipers, the fact that they used a so-called "assault weapon" was preferable to them using my grandpa's old .30-06 hunting rifle, which is much more powerful, accurate at long range, and cheaper than the Bushmaster rifle used by the criminals. The three people who survived the attacks probably would not have, had the snipers used a proper hunting rifle.

Sincerely,

I doubt it will help, considering the county I'm in, but there it is.

A couple questions... if they try to move this bill forward, will there be more public hearings and the like? Under current state law, are CCW holders allowed to bring their concealed handguns into the legislature or wherever it is that they hold these public meetings?

If there is another hearing, maybe some of us Seattle residents could carpool together, it's quite a trip, and I need to take the time off work to go.

[pax]

Jeff ~

Collectors West (I think they're the same people who put on the Rose City shows in Portland). There's one fairly often at the SW Washington Fairgrounds in Chehalis/Centralia.

Carnaby ~

Good letter.

pax

[mbs357]

Wow, good luck to you Washingtons...
Where is that survey that concluded less than 1% of criminals got their guns from gun shows? I could really use this lately. Darn antis I choose to hang out with. *sigh*

[abaddon]

Wrote a letter to Jim Kastama. I can't post the whole thing here due to technical difficulties but basically I had three points.

The timing of this bill suggests that they are trying to sneak it by - that is a mark against its popularity

Assault weapons have a legitimate purpose - protection against home invasion

The statistics cited by www.washingtonceasefire.org are bogus
compare www.washingtonceasefire.org/lobbygroup.asp
to http://www.nraila.org//issues/factsh...ad.aspx?id=118

I won't be able to call because I need to get to bed, graveyard shift and all. I'm not good on the phone anyway.

Regards,

Jeff

[SAG0282]

*shakes head*


Hopefully this won't go too terribly far.......historically anti-gun bills haven't had great success in this state. Nonetheless it's time to draft up some emails.......

[Langenator]

Does anyone have a list of the committe members? I'd like to know if any of my reps actually sit on this committee.

[PaulV]

Does anyone have a list of the committe members? I'd like to know if any of my reps actually sit on this committee.

Check Here

http://www.leg.wa.gov/rosters/senate...Committee.html

[homeka45]

Good luck, our bunch of elected morons just got into session. Who knows what kind of mischief they'll come up with.

[xenobia]

May I please borrow the gist of this?

I've just become aware that the state legislature is considering a new assault weapons ban. I find this to be highly disconcerting. I am an avid shooting sports member and I strongly support the second amendment of the united states constitution. Of course, the purpose of the second amendment has nothing to do whatsoever with hunting and sporting. It is primarily there to safeguard each individual American's right to arms in defense of liberty from the tyranny of the state or any other potential oppressor.

As such, the types of weapons with "military features" that are being considered in the ban are exactly the types of arms the Framers intended to protect. Contrary to the notions of gun-control groups like the Brady Campaign and the Violence Policy Center, these types of weapons are used in an insignificant number of crimes compared to other types of weapons. The United States Department of Justice and the FBI have both made this very clear. The recently expired federal ban on so-called assault weapons had no impact whatsoever on crime, but did infringe on the constitutionally protected rights of American citizens.

Most pro gun-rights citizens recognize these types of bans, which are primarily cosmetic with little plausible potential impact on crime, as another step down the slippery slope that inevitably leads to total gun confiscation, as was the case in England.

As your constituent, I ask that you please act against any gun-control measures that involve banning certain types of firearms or include gun registration. It is no surprise that the states with the most criminal violence (NY, NJ, IL, CA) also have the most gun control. Gun control does not work, and only disarms the law abiding majority among us.

I am fully in favor of extremely tough laws and sentences for criminal use of firearms. The record has shown that tough laws, sentences, and strong enforcement of these laws is the best deterrent to gun violence. Additionally, before any mention of the DC snipers, the fact that they used a so-called "assault weapon" was preferable to them using my grandpa's old .30-06 hunting rifle, which is much more powerful, accurate at long range, and cheaper than the Bushmaster rifle used by the criminals. The three people who survived the attacks probably would not have, had the snipers used a proper hunting rifle.

Sincerely,

[carnaby]

absolutely

[xenobia]

Thank you.

[pax]

This is VERY important.

From today's GOAL Alert, by Joe Waldron:

Tuesday, 25 January

3:30--5:30 p.m.

Senate Judiciary Committee

Senate Hearing Room 1,
John A. Cherberg Building
Olympia Capitol Campus

SEVEN (7) gun bills will be heard in public testimony


1. SB 5344 - Regulating possession of firearms on the state capitol
campus.
2. Fifty caliber gun ban of 2005 (S-0541.1).
3. SB 5131 - Revising provisions concerning possession of firearms by
persons found not guilty by reason of insanity.
4. SB 5343 - Regulating the sale of firearms at gun shows and events.
5. SB 5342 - Encouraging safe storage of firearms.
6. Assault weapons ban of 2005 (S-0230.2).
7. Renewing a concealed pistol license by members of the armed forces
(S-0032.1).

Note that as of 5:00 a.m. the day of the hearing, there are no bill
numbers for the two gun ban bills or for the pro-gun military CPL
extension bill. Without a bill number, a citizen cannot access a copy
of the bill language from the state legislature's web site. A
coincidence, I'm sure.

If at all possible, please try to attend the hearing. Sign in on the
sign-in sheet and indicate a position on the bill (pro or anti). If you
choose to testify, remember that you are limited to no more than three
minutes and no personal attacks are allowed.

Several gun bills have now been filed in the House as well. A couple
are counterparts (duplicates) of bills filed in the Senate, but one
particular bill, HB 1490, would prohibit firearms in all state parks and
recreational areas (less those with range facilities or designated
shooting areas), with an exemption for CPL holders. More on these in
the next GOAL Post.

See you at the hearing!

Two separate gun bans, a "gun show loophole" bill, and a safe storage act. You military guys are going to be affected by one of the bills, too.

Reason enough to meet at the hearing, I say.

pax

[carnaby]

go have a look, I'm reading it right now

SB 5475

[tarrigoni]

they actually use the word registration.

the sheriff is going to come to my house once a year? they're going to charge an undisclosed amount for registration and a yearly background check?

I have to give up my regular capacity magazines? are you freaking kidding me?

[carnaby]

Here's the definition of an assault weapon, pretty stupid

(18) "Assault weapon" means:
(a) Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle or shotgun that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine, with a capacity to accept more then ten rounds of ammunition and that also possesses any of the following:
(i) If the firearm is a rifle or shotgun, a pistol grip located rear of the trigger;
(ii) If the firearm is a rifle or shotgun, a stock in any configuration, including but not limited to a thumbhole stock, a folding stock or a telescoping stock, that allows the bearer of the firearm to grasp the firearm with the trigger hand such that the web of the trigger hand, between the thumb and forefinger, can be placed below the top of the external portion of the trigger during firing;
(iii) If the firearm is a pistol, a shoulder stock of any type or configuration, including but not limited to a folding stock or a telescoping stock;
(iv) A barrel shroud;
(v) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;
(vi) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the hand that is not the trigger hand;
(b) Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip;
(c) Any semiautomatic pistol, any semiautomatic, center-fire rifle, or any shotgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition;
(d) Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine;
(e) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder;
(f) Any conversion kit or other combination of parts from which an assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of any person.
(19) "Detachable magazine" means a magazine, the function of which is to deliver one or more ammunition cartridges into the firing chamber, which can be removed from the firearm without the use of any tool, including a bullet or ammunition cartridge.
(20) "Barrel shroud" means a covering, other than a slide, that is attached to, or that substantially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm and that allows the bearer of the firearm to hold the barrel with the nonshooting hand while firing the firearm, without burning that hand, except that the term does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel that does not substantially or completely encircle the barrel.
(21) "Muzzle brake" means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to reduce recoil.
(22) "Muzzle compensator" means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to control muzzle movement.
(23) "Conversion kit" means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into an assault weapon.

And then some crap about what you cannot do, like the following:

(2) No person in this state shall possess or have under his or her control at one time both of the following:
(a) A semiautomatic or pump-action rifle, semiautomatic pistol, or shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine; and
(b) Any magazine capable of use with that firearm that contains more than ten rounds of ammunition.

These ???????s have really pissed me off. It seems to me that they've tried to bite off more than they can chew, and that this bill really has no hope. But just in case, we need to fight this piece of garbage.

the funny thing is, from what I gather you'd be able to own a regular-cap magazine, but just not load it past 10 rounds, except at a range or competition.

[tarrigoni]

I like how this isn't in ANY of the papers!

How would they know that I have an "assault weapon" at my house if I didn't register it, hmm????

[xenobia]

I have only heard it mentioned in one media outlet 770 KTTH on their 0500 program.

[carnaby]

they'd know if your neighbor or some other GFW turned you in.