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9mm Liberty 50 gr Civil Defense fired from Glock 22 with Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel into calibrated 10% gelatin.
BB calibration: 594.1 fps, 3.2"
Impact velocity: 1,963 fps
Penetration: 10.5"
Retained weight: 28.0 gr
Civil Defense 9mm Ammo Lead Free personal defense round has received the highest score from the National Tactical Officers Association Members Tested and Recommended Program. With a 50-grain weight and a velocity of 2,000 FPS (kinetic energy at >450 FPE), Liberty Ammo Civil Defense 9mm rounds have an accuracy rate of under 2-inches at 50 meters.
Shooting a temperature stable Clear Ballistics gelatin, the 9mm rounds consistently penetrates beyond 12”, and never exits the 16” blocks. This includes shooting through t-shirts, towels and other clothing material that participants wanted to shoot. However, it will penetrate car doors and windshields. The round penetrates to the FBI minimum without over-penetrating. Additionally, the light round will punch through sheet metal and laminated glass – two of the toughest barriers – without any problem.
Except Hydra-Shok was one of the best bullet designs of its time. Back then, it made sense to buy them. So the people who buy them today are just behind the times, that's all.WardenWolf said:Why do people keep buying Federal Hydra-Shoks even though they're an almost 30 year old design that severely underperforms by today's standards? Almost anything performs better than them nowadays. The reason is that most people are ignorant when it comes to ammunition. They'll believe any hype or claims without checking independent tests.
When you read the website, they make it sound as if it's the best thing since buttered bread.
....lotta folks worry about over-penetration, especially when used a HD scenario. Folks should use what they feel comfortable with, are proficient with, have confidence in and what performs well outta the firearm they are using.
How much difference does it really make? If you are wearing a vest and I hit you in the chest with 3- 230gr ball 45acp rounds you will go down unable to breathe. They might not get through but you will have broken or severally bruised ribs. Then I can handle the rest.Why do people keep buying Federal Hydra-Shoks even though they're an almost 30 year old design that severely underperforms by today's standards? Almost anything performs better than them nowadays. The reason is that most people are ignorant when it comes to ammunition. They'll believe any hype or claims without checking independent tests.
And a lot of the choices people make don't perform well
If you are wearing a vest and I hit you in the chest with 3- 230gr ball 45acp rounds you will go down unable to breathe.
They might not get through but you will have broken or severally bruised ribs. Then I can handle the rest.
Old might not be the best choice but it will stop someone. Sure Hydrashok isn't the coolest, there are better choices marginally, but they will get the job done. That is why they have been around 30 years.
That absolute statement you just made is false.
Broken or merely bruised ribs is in no way a guarantee of anything, and absolutely does not guarantee a person will stop what they are doing, or go down.
The other choices are more than marginally better.
They (hydrashok or the better choices) may or may not get the job done.
ANY handgun may or may not get the job done. Actually, handguns are weak and ineffective as a general rule.
What does a person usually do after being shot with a handgun? Whatever they were doing before they were shot with a handgun.
What does a person usually do after being shot with a handgun? Whatever they were doing before they were shot with a handgun.
How much difference does it really make? If you are wearing a vest and I hit you in the chest with 3- 230gr ball 45acp rounds you will go down unable to breathe. They might not get through but you will have broken or severally bruised ribs. Then I can handle the rest.
Old might not be the best choice but it will stop someone. Sure Hydrashok isn't the coolest, there are better choices marginally, but they will get the job done. That is why they have been around 30 years.
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You guys haven't heard that saying before? I thought it was pretty universal.
I would never buy this ammo. That said, while penetration is 1.5" short of the minimum, this is no Glaser.
Impact at 1900fps with fragmentation will cause a lot of tissue damage in the temp cavity similar to a 5.56 from and SBR and the 10.5" will get it done from the front.
I wouldn't pick it due to lack of penetration for the less than perfect shots (through arms, side angles etc.)