ricochet buckshot

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Hey all we have a bad coyote problem in my residential neighborhood (up against a hillside is where the shot would take place). I have permission from DNR to take any that come inside of treeline as well as all my neighbors already agreeing they would love for me to handle them. MY QUESTION IS: Is 00buck or 4 buck more likely to ricochet should it hit a rock or weird angle against dirt. And is either dangerous by that meaning will it cause serious harm to a person if it ricochets. Range is roughly 20-40 yards with modified choke 870 using 3 inch.
 
Ricochet eats up a lot of energy by suddenly changing spin, direction, and deforming the projectile. Smaller shot carries energy inefficiently when compared to larger heavier shot. For neighborhood songdogging I think #4 buck would be a good choice, but it’s probably not gonna be a DRT shot at any range beyond 30 yards or so. 0 buck would be nice but you never see it. Seems 00 or #4 is the only common choices.

What range are you looking at? Distance to neighbors homes?
 
Entropy's idea sounds plausible.

As for a shotgun, my minor experience would suggest slugs might be better in regards to ricochet.

In a 3/4" mild steel plate a 308 will put a good size crater in it and swing it pretty good. With 2 3/4 1oz slugs the plate appears to not even move and a hole shows up.

I suspect "most" rocks would be obliterated by slugs with minimal chance of ricochet.


Frangible ammo seems like a even safer bet though.
 
Got one a few minutes ago with #4 buck:) DRT however it took a follow up of regular length behind the 3" to humainely finish, so 00 has better range?
 
Sorry all I should have been more specific my neighbors within the hollow I live at don't mind beyond that I haven't asked so I'd rather keep the supersonic crack down or my ar would be my go to. Nobody seemed to mind the shotgun tonight, guess I'll find out in the morning if my more distant neighbors hate me
 
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Ricochet eats up a lot of energy by suddenly changing spin, direction, and deforming the projectile. Smaller shot carries energy inefficiently when compared to larger heavier shot. For neighborhood songdogging I think #4 buck would be a good choice, but it’s probably not gonna be a DRT shot at any range beyond 30 yards or so. 0 buck would be nice but you never see it. Seems 00 or #4 is the only common choices.

What range are you looking at? Distance to neighbors homes?
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At that range I’d say 4 or 00 is a win. I’ve used 4 on a lot of stuff that bites and or cooks up well. 00 is my defense choice. All I put in my 590. You can get a pretty good size box of wolf med brass 00 cost effectively. So I’d go for that.
 
Shotgun slugs and buckshot will both ricochet. We were trained to use that very fact to our advantage in certain situations. Both will ricochet not only off hard surfaces but also off of bare dirt and sod (grass) surfaces. They will continue with sufficient force to take the legs from under a human assailant.

That being said, I believe that #4 buck, especially in a 20 gauge, would possibly be a good choice. Keep in mind that this is all conjecture on my part since I have no first hand knowledge of the environment in which you will be operating. Good luck.
 
Personally, I wouldn't worry about that buckshot doing a 180 and coming back with any serious amount of force- that is different from "skipping" it off a surface like concrete or asphalt and it keeps going in the same direction. The only time I ever heard of it coming back and doing damage was in iraq, a dummy took a shotgun loaded with 00 and tried to breach a steel door in a hall full of people- a few caught some pellets to the lower legs.
 
It has been my experience that plated lead BB does the trick out to 50 yards with coyotes. 3+ inches of penetration with multiple BB's in dead 'yote, couple into the skull. That's what we hunt with at night when calling them here sometimes when we are not in a wide open area that is better for rifles. I used to use #4 plated birdshot for fox hunting, killed several at 60+ yards with those loads. It is hard to find plated shot anymore, I stocked up several years ago and have about 15 boxes of assorted between BB and #4 birdshot.
 
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It has been my experience that plated lead BB does the trick out to 50 yards with coyotes. 3+ inches of penetration with multiple BB's in dead 'yote, couple into the skull. That's what we hunt with at night when calling them here sometimes when we are not in a wide open area that is better for rifles. I used to use #4 plated birdshot for fox hunting, killed several at 60+ yards with those loads. It is hard to find plated shot anymore, I stocked up several years ago and have about 15 boxes of assorted between BB and #4 birdshot.
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I've noticed what federal shells I've been able to find are plated... If you can find them, they've recently became scarce as diamonds.
 
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