That looks like a Bisley grip frame to me.....so yes. Just like that!
And yes, it is inspirational. I think I'll need to pick your brain about the details at some point next year, Max.
If I can be of any assistance, I will be happy to help!
That looks like a Bisley grip frame to me.....so yes. Just like that!
And yes, it is inspirational. I think I'll need to pick your brain about the details at some point next year, Max.
the five shot custom revolver in 45 long colt has been able to keep up with the 454 casull for quite a few years. so, the ole 45 is the way to go if you want 454 power in a 45 package.
i don't have a five shot, but i bet max and craig do.
murf
i'm not going to take your word for this as bufflalo bore says different: https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=61Thays my point, thats mythology. It does well but doesnt keep up and running a 454 has a few advantages. One being, it will run faster. I can run 340gr bullets 1750fps with no extraction or bullet pull issues. Cant do that with a 45 colt. I run 265 aframes at 1950fps. Cant do that with a 45 colt. I run 325 aframes at 1640 fps and 300 gr monometal solids at 1700+ fps and you cant do that with a 45 colt either. Plus. 454 sizing dies size the case smaller for more neck tension and less bullet pull which when you get hot is a huge factor. The 45 colt is great but not equivalent just as is the case with a 480 and 475.
I had brutal recoil and stuck cases in my 5 inch Redhawk 45 Colt until I had the throats opened up for the lead bullets I was shooting. Suddenly extraction was a lot easier with "Ruger-only" loads, assuming pressure was relieved. It is the same story with two other Ruger 45 Colt models, in which the bore and throat diameters were out of sync. I am thinking you might want to check your bullet and throat diameters.I know many manufacturers have backed off max pressure loads in .460, not for safety concerns, but for ease of extraction. Kinda how I load for my .460. My hunting loads generally run up to the point where empties need to be driven out instead of just pushed out with the extractor rod. When I get sticky extraction, I back down. Now iffin it were dangerous game I was hunting, I'd probably do it differently.
in what firearm are you getting these velocities? what barrel length?Thays my point, thats mythology. It does well but doesnt keep up and running a 454 has a few advantages. One being, it will run faster. I can run 340gr bullets 1750fps with no extraction or bullet pull issues. Cant do that with a 45 colt. I run 265 aframes at 1950fps. Cant do that with a 45 colt. I run 325 aframes at 1640 fps and 300 gr monometal solids at 1700+ fps and you cant do that with a 45 colt either. Plus. 454 sizing dies size the case smaller for more neck tension and less bullet pull which when you get hot is a huge factor. The 45 colt is great but not equivalent just as is the case with a 480 and 475.
I am thinking you might want to check your bullet and throat diameters.
buffalo bore doesn't load 45 colt to 50,000 psi. tim has a lot of common sense. doubt corbon runs a 360 grain bullet in 45 colt at over 1500 fps. thanks for your opinion.Buffalo bore loads to about 50k psi in a 45 colt those are pushing 55-60k if you get em that fast. Double tap now comes the closest and max p has spoken as to the cast issue and why it doesnt make sense to run it fast at max. Corbon used to load their jacketed 360 penetrator to over 1500fps. If you read what tim wrote hes not contradicting anything im stating at all. Might wanna read again. Several here have witnessed how hard my loads run and what they do to game and how easily they are extracted from the gun with no pressure signs or load unreliability.
buffalo bore doesn't load 45 colt to 50,000 psi. tim has a lot of common sense. doubt corbon runs a 360 grain bullet in 45 colt at over 1500 fps. thanks for your opinion.
murf
buffalo bore doesn't load 45 colt to 50,000 psi. tim has a lot of common sense. doubt corbon runs a 360 grain bullet in 45 colt at over 1500 fps. thanks for your opinion.
murf
There are at least two ways to relieve chamber pressure and stuck cases, and custom loads is one of them. Maybe if S&W throats weren't tight on a cartridge they initiated and effectively control, the ammo makers would not have to back off on their loads.I don't shoot lead in my .460, so bullet diameter is a moot point. I have checked throats and they are tight, but they are all the same. Kinda common on P.C. Smith .460s. Since the ammo manufacturers have backed off, I doubt it's just my gun they're doing it for. Good thing too, cause I don't buy factory ammo. Things is, I get the velocity I'm looking for with my handloads that easily extract.. My max loads for my gun give me almost the same as the max loads in the book. Accuracy is scary. Can't see any reason to change anything.
thanks max,CorBon ran super high pressures in their old .454 loads. I don’t even recall any hot .45 Colt coming from them in the past. The only manufacturer I know of that exceeds 30,000 psi (or thereabouts) in a .45 Colt +P-type load is Garrett Cartridge with their .45 Colt “RHO” (Redhawk Only) load that runs at 50,000 psi give or take. I took the first big head of game with that load (a water buffalo).
Tim doesn’t load a .45 Colt that high but he has one .44 Mag load that runs 50,000 psi.
and, obviously, i thought you were talking about 45 long colt loads. again, thanks for the opinion and info,Then let me be clearer. Those speeds and the loads from corbon i speak of were 454 penetrator loads. They run super high pressures that are higher than the same weight lead projectile does. My point on buffalo bore ammo was that those are the pressures tim runs his 454 around, and therefore, not max pressure which is why some velocities quoted by some writers are nearly the same, they ran em at higher pressure. My point was that if you ran those 454 loads at the same speed as those buffalo bore 454 loads, which you could do in the right revolver, it would be higher pressure at in the 55-60psi range
the limiting factor, in this case, is cylinder length. the 454 casull has a longer case but can't use the extra space with heavy bullets because the bullet will stick out the end of the cylinder. therefore, 5-shot rugers @ 50 or 60 thousand psi can approach the performance of the 454 casull. the 5-shot can't come close with lighter bullets.Isn't this "Ruger only" .45 Colt vs .454 Casull debate just a 'Hot Special' vs Magnum debate?
A shorter case means higher pressure to get the same velocity. Unnecessarily dangerous in some people's eyes. One of the only arguments for which, seems to be a slightly less weight in the holster. The other argument is the cost of a new gun chambered in the longer cartridge.
the limiting factor, in this case, is cylinder length. the 454 casull has a longer case but can't use the extra space with heavy bullets because the bullet will stick out the end of the cylinder. therefore, 5-shot rugers @ 50 or 60 thousand psi can approach the performance of the 454 casull. the 5-shot can't come close with lighter bullets.
murf
yes, the same length. i'm talking about the single action revolvers that john linebaugh converted into 5-shot high pressure 45 long colt revolvers. i linked to the linebaugh website in a previous post if you want more info on this type of gun. he takes a stock frame and replaces the six shot cylinder with a five shot cylinder. less holes means more steel between the holes and, therefore, more pressure can be used in the loadings.When you say "5-shot Ruger" you're talk about a .45 Colt chambering in a cylinder of similar length then to that used in a .454 Casull revolver? If so, I understand what you're saying.
yes, the same length. i'm talking about the single action revolvers that john linebaugh converted into 5-shot high pressure 45 long colt revolvers. i linked to the linebaugh website in a previous post if you want more info on this type of gun. he takes a stock frame and replaces the six shot cylinder with a five shot cylinder. less holes means more steel between the holes and, therefore, more pressure can be used in the loadings.
ruger makes a superblackhawk bisley revolver in 454 casull that has the same cylinder dimensions as their 45 colt blackhawk @ ruger.com
murf
yes, the same length. i'm talking about the single action revolvers that john linebaugh converted into 5-shot high pressure 45 long colt revolvers. i linked to the linebaugh website in a previous post if you want more info on this type of gun. he takes a stock frame and replaces the six shot cylinder with a five shot cylinder. less holes means more steel between the holes and, therefore, more pressure can be used in the loadings.
ruger makes a superblackhawk bisley revolver in 454 casull that has the same cylinder dimensions as their 45 colt blackhawk @ ruger.com
murf
probably, ruger ain't gonna make a cylinder that wont take the 454 casull pressure! the 5-shot linebaugh cylinders are probably special steel construction, too.Yea, but ain't they carpenter steel? Rather than the normal flavor the 45 colt comes in?