What kind of guns do the bad guys carry?

there was a mass shooting lately at a mosque in New Zealand. Anyone know the type of gun used?

One of the changes contrasted with the prior decades is that with the much larger concealed carry movement a lot more of the firearms on the market meet the requirements of a criminal and so the variety should be increased.
The primary requirements of a criminal are being concealable and available.

Since the requirement of a lot more good guys is that it is concealable the guns of both will be very similar.
The purchasing power of the demographic of most murders is also relatively higher than it used to be, as well as the people they live around they acquire them from.
But just because they can purchase nicer things does not mean they act nicer.

Most murders have for a long time been associated with poor black crime, and since at least the 80s and before in some areas with a selfish and self glorifying lifestyle of gangster rap and drug dealing. Yet even prior to that before the civil rights era racially inspired terms like Saturday Night Special were used to describe guns more frequent in the hands of poor blacks. Often the less expensive firearms were made using processes that if kept with small dimensions made them only capable of dealing with the pressure levels of low power cartridges. This size and power difference with typical service sized handguns of the time was a contrast.
Well back then blacks were primarily segregated or just coming out of segregation and lived in very poor communities. The cost of housing was so low back then those so inclined could have very idle lives or only one person working in a large household, which resulted in not a lot of additional money made for quality consumer products.
The younger aged demographic acquiring firearms would have been poor and had mainly poor people around them to acquire firearms from.
Contrast that with today: That demographic is not segregated, is surrounded by and works and lives with mainstream people of all walks of life, and they and their neighbors must earn larger paychecks relative to the cost of consumer goods just to get by. Most households around them and that they have ties to will have multiple paycheck earners in every household.
This means those drawn into the selfish lifestyle today have higher earners surrounding them and will be using mainstream quality firearms.

About how many of these criminals' guns are the results of Straw Buyers, family "gifts" etc?

As for the two guns used to murder people at Columbine one had been bought by a girlfriend, and the other was a gift from a guy n a pizza (etc) shop.
Both suppliers apparently knew that the monsters were underage.

total recoil: I'm pretty sure that an AR-15 was used in New Zealand's massacre. You might know that the govt. stated that it plans to outlaw semi-auto rifles.
But how would this prevent somebody from using three shotguns, or a rental truck as a weapon?

**By the way, 120 Christians (religious minority) reportedly were just murdered in Nigeria in the last four weeks, but maybe they want to Avoid that story?

total recoil said:

there was a mass shooting lately at a mosque in New Zealand. Anyone know the type of gun used?

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I heard an AR type of semiauto, a semiauto shotgun, and a lever action rifle were in the shooter's possession. I think 6 guns in all were either in his car or on his person. He was said to have walked into a mosque with an AR slung over his shoulder, passing by people watching him, but doing nothing. Not even calling the police.
And there were two mosques involved

Tommygunn said:

I heard an AR type of semiauto, a semiauto shotgun, and a lever action rifle were in the shooter's possession. I think 6 guns in all were either in his car or on his person. He was said to have walked into a mosque with an AR slung over his shoulder, passing by people watching him, but doing nothing. Not even calling the police.
And there were two mosques involved

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He emptied the shotgun on the few people at the entrance to the mosque then threw it away and entered the building with the AR. Shotgun had a red dot and the AR had a holo sight and a flashlight in strobe mode. After shooting 3 mags he goes back to the car and gets another AR with a modified stock. He doesnt use the other rifles he had in his car in the video.

I read part of the thread to my son (dealer in Birmingham area). He wasn't in the least surprised. Said the majority of sales volume are S&W SD handguns (referred to as $300 glock) and he gets daily inquiries about stendos (extended mags), beams (lasers), and drakos (which they don't stock). A lot of younger women will buy a small LCP or similar $200-$250 handgun and when the background clears ask to add one or two larger framed pistols. Unless the straw purchase is obvious, like the guy standing there pointing at what he wants then walking away for her to buy it for him, they generally follow store policy and go through with the sale but run additional nics checks for each (even though not technically required). He said it is rare to have a guy add guns after a successful background check. Usually if a guy wants multiple guns they pick them out at the start of the sale.

illinoisburt said:

I read part of the thread to my son (dealer in Birmingham area). He wasn't in the least surprised. Said the majority of sales volume are S&W SD handguns (referred to as $300 glock) and he gets daily inquiries about stendos (extended mags), beams (lasers), and drakos (which they don't stock). A lot of younger women will buy a small LCP or similar $200-$250 handgun and when the background clears ask to add one or two larger framed pistols. Unless the straw purchase is obvious, like the guy standing there pointing at what he wants then walking away for her to buy it for him, they generally follow store policy and go through with the sale but run additional nics checks for each (even though not technically required). He said it is rare to have a guy add guns after a successful background check. Usually if a guy wants multiple guns they pick them out at the start of the sale.

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Thats pretty much what goes down at Cabelas in St. Louis. The store reeks of marijuanna from the customers. In recent years it seems there is much less traffic from your “typical” Cabelas customer. I would wager the majority of guns picked up on the street come from there.

Gunny, you comment about the monies generated in the dope trade were right on target and it was the same situation 30 years ago when a young kid (maybe 12?) could earn five or six times on the street as a simple lookout - what a teenager could earn in a day working at the local McDonalds or other fast food place... In that terrible world the young'un quickly advances to selling (or slinging as it was called in my era) to customers one at a time on the corner... Almost immediately they learned that weapons were a necessity (if only to gain respect - or in very real self-defense, since the street really is a jungle...). That kind of stuff is what drives places like Chicago into the terrible shape it's in today...

Now we're going to re-think our corrections efforts - in a battle we lost long, long ago...

jmorris said:

I knew only good guys carry 1911’s

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BigBL87 said:

Also noticed that CZ didn't show up. Apparently the bad guys haven't gotten in to us firearm hipsters' stuff yet.

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That's because heavier weight pulls their already down below hip pants down to ankles.

And why even heavier 1911s are not favored either.

So lighter poly guns are preferrable for "gangsta pocket" carry.

a hi power? What a waste

Looks like 40 is making a comeback....

Are most of the guns used closer to the compact size or full size? I'm not up to speed on the the model names and numbers for S&W, Taurus, SCCY, etc. Most of the models I recognize are full size, other than the .380's.

GunnyUSMC said:

Most are full size, but they do like compacts if they can get extended magazines.

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After finding a few guns at my job, its pretty clear that a snub isnt much firepower compared to commom street guns. I carry my DA/SA Canik TP9v2 much more than my snub now.

tommy.duncan said:

Impressive list!!
Quite the Glock selection,,,
So, criminals are Glock guys too!!

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Yes, yes we are.

HB said:

After finding a few guns at my job, its pretty clear that a snub isnt much firepower compared to commom street guns. I carry my DA/SA Canik TP9v2 much more than my snub now.

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That is a reasonable conclusion, and a very practical takeaway from this thread.

luzyfuerza said:

That is a reasonable conclusion, and a very practical takeaway from this thread.

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I figure Im not likely to get into a shootout with a crack dealer. However drunk motorists, whacked out neighbors, etc will likely have at least a 10 shots on tap and an more aggressive demeanor.

HB

Received a letter from the prosecutors office informing me my Glock26 was recovered from a hoodlum in their custody. I asked if I could get my G26 back and the lady on the phone said I would need a sales receipt to prove ownership. As it was a trade I told her I had no store receipt. Bye bye G26. Pistol was stolen from my home during a breakin and reported to police. That's not good enough to get the pistol back.

Just wanted to add my praise and thanks, Gunny, for this fascinating post and discussion. Was not aware of the DOJ study on firearm origins in criminal cases, have long wondered about the statistics on this question. I assume the real answers would lie in state-level stats, however, as most violent crime is prosecuted under state laws and involves state incarceration. I recall John Lott discussing this key issue - just where do the guns used in crimes come from? - a while back, and (think I recall) that there was very little data for him to work with.

Thanks Gunny for starting and continuing with this thread. Very interesting and educational.. Keep it up Sir!!