theotherwaldo
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I'm not normally left-handed but I am forced to shoot left-handed if I find myself in a shooting situation without my glasses. My right eye is seriously damaged.
Do I need an accommodation?
Do I need an accommodation?
Again, again, again...…...to be discriminatory a law must discriminate based on sex, religion, race, national origin or disability. An exemption for police officers is not "discriminatory" under Federal law.Ah, but they don't apply to everyone. They carve out exemptions for the civilian police and the bodyguards of the politicians and the influential.
So?That is true.
But the level of impact would be greater.
Again, so what?Requirement to report to courthouse for jury duty negatively impacts everyone but the impact is greater for jurors with disability requiring accommodation not necessary for jurors without disability - https://www.ncsc.org/~/media/Microsites/Files/CJS/Other/Juror with Disabilities Final Report.ashx
Again..…...SO WHAT?????In similar manner, restriction on ammunition capacity negatively impacts all gun owners but the impact is greater for smaller stature female, elderly and physically disabled gun owners with weaker upper body/hand strength. Being female alone may not be a significant factor but since there are differing physical endurance/performance requirements to the point where sporting activities like Olympics have separate gender categories may express disadvantage for female gun owners against male attackers.
Again, you need to read the ADA ink I've provided. "The government" doesn't mandate ANYTHING in a persons activities, only in accommodations that must be provided under the ADA. And as the ADA is about accessibility, not what a person does on their own time for recreation or self defense, you are simply barking up a tree that does not exist.As there are accommodations (some mandated by the government) for people with disability to perform activities of daily living,
And people with weak grip strength need someone to open the pickle jar. Children need help crossing a busy street. Grandma needs the volume turned up on her iPhone.there may be a need for accommodation for people with upper body/hand weakness to perform self defense/self protection activity of operating firearms.
Again, you confuse what is an "accommodation" under the ADA with anything related to firearms. AR pistol braces are not "accommodations" in any sense. An accommodation would be allowing a teacher to read aloud to a blind student in a test for comprehension, or permitting additional time in test taking (required under IDEA) or wheelchair ramps in public buildings, handicapped parking or restroom facilities (ADA).We have already discussed such accommodations as AR pistol stabilizing brace and ambidextrous controls. And ammunition limit to 7/10 rounds, IMHO, has greater negative impact and consideration should be given to producing firearms with smaller grip, lighter trigger, better recoil control/management systems, etc. to include binary trigger.
Nonsense. Not that silencers should be removed from the NFA, but absolute nonsense that you think it an "accommodation".Anyone who has fired a firearm without hearing protection, especially in confined space can tell you it is not a pleasant experience. Yet, gun owners are likely to fire their firearm without hearing protection in self defense situations which will likely affect their ability to hear, see and focus not to mention experiencing pain. Accommodation for this is needed for every gun owner and detachable or integrated noise suppression is the answer to allow gun owners to fire their firearms without being negatively impacted or injuring their hearing temporarily and permanently.
Only as prescribed by the ADA. Tell us again where in the Americans with Disability Act that firearms or self defense is mentioned.Just as government protects people with disabilities to perform activities of daily living,
No.shouldn't protection be afforded to allow smaller stature female, elderly and physically disabled gun owners with weaker upper body/hand strength to fulfill their need and desire to protect themselves?
I think pretty much 90% of the firearms community would welcome a repeal or elimination of all state and federal laws restricting gun ownership and usage. But that wasn't the point of your thread.I believe reversing 7/10 round magazine restriction should be expedited followed by hearing protection for gun owners along with technology to allow easier/enhanced operation of firearms to include binary trigger.
What federal or state law do you think would have such an accommodation?I'm not normally left-handed but I am forced to shoot left-handed if I find myself in a shooting situation without my glasses. My right eye is seriously damaged.
Do I need an accommodation?
Believe me, I used to work as a state Compliance Coordinator/Licencing and Certification surveyor which included applying and verifying ADA compliance along with local ordinances and state/federal laws and regulations.... you need to read the ADA ink I've provided. "The government" doesn't mandate ANYTHING in a persons activities, only in accommodations that must be provided under the ADA. And as the ADA is about accessibility, not what a person does on their own time for recreation or self defense, you are simply barking up a tree that does not exist.
I didn't say anything of the sort. You wrote: "As there are accommodations (some mandated by the government) for people with disability to perform activities of daily living...."Believe me, I used to work as a state Compliance Coordinator/Licencing and Certification surveyor which included applying and verifying ADA compliance along with local ordinances and state/federal laws and regulations.
Keep this in mind. Your comment about how government is not required/mandated to do anything ... That was the case UNTIL ADA laws were written. Then it was required/mandated.
Well what on earth are you talking about now?Before, driving while talking with cellphone on your ear was not banned. BUT new law was written and now it is required/mandated that you cannot drive and talk with cellphone on your ear.
Then YOU SHOULD KNOW that firearms usage or possession is not in any way, shape or form covered by the ADA.....'cause no current law exempts people with disabilities from Federal firearms laws or state firearms laws.There are so many other activities that are performed now that is not banned or require accommodation ... UNTIL new laws are written to change that.
It's pretty darn clear that any limit on magazine capacity negatively impacts all gun owners within a state.Let's get back to OP which was "Does 10/7 round magazine restriction negatively impact women/elderly/physically disabled persons?"
This should be a yes or no question.
Stop electing anti gun politicians.If yes, what can be done about it?
Why are you limiting your "negatively impacted persons" to only women/elderly/physically disabled ?If you are claiming no, I think many would disagree, especially women, elderly and physically disabled persons.
Bravo! Finally!It's pretty darn clear that any limit on magazine capacity negatively impacts all gun owners within a state ... Stop electing anti gun politicians.
I got tired from typing so much and had to go take a nap. You know, I am layman with limited mental stature.Why are you limiting your "negatively impacted persons" to only women/elderly/physically disabled ?
What happened to weak and short statured?
Finally? Go back and read my first post in this thread.Bravo! Finally!....
If a woman, elderly or physically disabled person with weaker upper body strength has to select smaller caliber 9mm over 40S&W/45ACP, does 10/7 round restriction discriminate against them?
Hopefully our win over 10 round magazine limit in CA will help you reverse 7 round limit.I will be 36 years old this month, and I have used a wheelchair for most of those years. I'm typing this with three fingers and one thumb. My right hand functions about 90% of normal and my left about 40% of normal ... I would again, sign on to a lawsuit challenging the NYS 7-round limit, because there was no legally sustainable reason FOR the limit to exist.
I already asked moderator to replace "discrimination" with "negatively impact" on the thread title. I hope to continue discussing the thread refocused on "negatively impact".discrimination
Let's get back to OP which was "Does 10/7 round magazine restriction negatively impact women/elderly/physically disabled persons?"
NY "SAFE" Act. The governor skipped the three-day waiting period, claiming urgent "necessity." Kind of a joke, since the various provisions of the Act didn't take effect for two months to a year after passage. Then they realized they had forgotten to exempt cops, Oops ...Wasn't there one of those fast tracked repressive laws that they had to go back and amend to carve out an exemption for cops?
I watched the NZ mosque shooting, nobody was running to tackle the shooter, they were huddled against walls or running away.
If for example, Joe Biden gets in and we are limited to double barrel 12 gauge - might one point out to Creepy Joe that the elderly, short of stature, young - may find this gun not optimal?
Joe Biden is a moderate.
He doesn't scare me 1/2 as much as this Pete Buttigieg guy who openly says that "shall not be infringed" really means "reasonable restrictions".
You only saw the video of the first mosque (Al Noor) shooting where one person attempted to get at the shooter. I don't know that there is video from the second mosque (Linwood Islamic Center) where the shooter was tackled and disarmed. https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-z...-friend-tackled-gunman-and-grabbed-his-weapon
Attempt to disarm while reloading....
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/marysville-washington-school-shooting
Tucson, Giffords' event, tackled while reloading...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pat...s-stopping-gunman-reloading/story?id=12577933
Seattle Pacific University shooting pepper sprayed and tackled while reloading (cool video)...
Waffle House shooter tackled while needing reload...
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...who-tackled-the-waffle-house-shooter-n2473404
New York New York Casino shooter tackled during reload...
http://retardzone.com/2007/07/09/iraq-vet-tackled-and-stopped-shooter-in-las-vegas-shooting/
http://articles.dailyamerican.com/2...2_1_steven-francis-zegrean-casino-nevada-jury
There are some other incidents, but I don't have time now to sleuth them, but these are some good examples of actives shooters taken down while reloading. There are a lot more where the active shooters were simply tackled.
So it isn't total BS as you suggest. People with the proper mindset and opportunity take advantage of the situation when they can, bet it during a reload, malfunction, or when the shooter is otherwise distracted.
Mag capacity most certainly can matter, be it in self defense or acts of aggression. You can't say that it matters in one and not in the other.
Let's get back to the OP of thread in respect to shooter being rushed/tackled as ammunition run out and shooter has to reload.There are certainly cases where shooters got tackled while reloading, but they're not common and it's entirely up to the physical capabilities of the person tackling the shooter if it'll be successful or not.
There are certainly cases where shooters got tackled while reloading, but they're not common...."
Let's get back to the OP of thread in respect to shooter being rushed/tackled as ammunition run out and shooter has to reload.
In the video below (Full security video with details that many other media outlet videos left out), two women are robbed by a gunman with a shotgun. Even though they are armed, defenders are rushed/tackled by the robber. Having 7/10 round magazine restriction will increase the chance of being rushed/tackled as defenders' gun will run out of ammunition faster. Having large capacity magazines will increase the chance the defenders can keep shooting the attacker before having to reload.
Imagine if the defenders had different defensive firearms with large capacity magazines with binary triggers. Initial shots from the defenders could have stopped the robber immediately.