GunnyUSMC
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Oh! Don't get me wrong. I was not disagreeing with you.
You can sell anything with the right marketing and hype. We see this in the gun industry all the time.
Glock 19 is best handgun ?
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You can sell anything with the right marketing and hype. We see this in the gun industry all the time.
Kano383
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Yep... I saw people buying anti-freeze in Mali, where it's something like 110F during the cold season...
Madcap_Magician
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The Glock 19 is not the best handgun, but it may be the okay-est handgun. It does everything pretty OK (except ergonomics, virtually every other, newer polymer pistol has a grip shape that fits most hands better).
It has withstood test of time. Matter of fact the Gen 5 is basically identical to the original except for rail and more aggresive grip texture.
Trunk Monkey
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A Glock 19 may not be the best gun but it sure checks a lot of the boxes.
To me the 19 is just that perfect combination of size of size and capacity. I can carry it all day long and not notice the weight of the pistol. A 15 round magazine and two reloads is well beyond more than I am ever likely to need and I can load them from one box of ammunition instead of having a bunch of boxes with odd round counts lying around.
I've already said if I was only allowed one gun it would be my Glock 26. Because it's more concealable and easier to carry at home than my 19 and because I can use a 19 magazine in a 26 but I can't use a 26 magazine in a 19 (I can't legally acquire a 17 magazine in Colorado).
However if I was only allowed a Glock 19 I could make it work. A Glock 19 isn't too big for home carry and it's not too small for a nightstand gun. It is a little big for carry in an NPE but I can and have done it.
In general Glock has a lot more after market support than almost any other manufacturer out there. Anything you can come up with to put on a Glock (including a bayonet) somebody out there makes one.
And of course Glocks are wonderful at driving the Glock Haters (who always seem to turn up in every single Glock thread to tell us they have nothing against the Glock it's just was not a good fit) out of their minds
To me the 19 is just that perfect combination of size of size and capacity. I can carry it all day long and not notice the weight of the pistol. A 15 round magazine and two reloads is well beyond more than I am ever likely to need and I can load them from one box of ammunition instead of having a bunch of boxes with odd round counts lying around.
I've already said if I was only allowed one gun it would be my Glock 26. Because it's more concealable and easier to carry at home than my 19 and because I can use a 19 magazine in a 26 but I can't use a 26 magazine in a 19 (I can't legally acquire a 17 magazine in Colorado).
However if I was only allowed a Glock 19 I could make it work. A Glock 19 isn't too big for home carry and it's not too small for a nightstand gun. It is a little big for carry in an NPE but I can and have done it.
In general Glock has a lot more after market support than almost any other manufacturer out there. Anything you can come up with to put on a Glock (including a bayonet) somebody out there makes one.
And of course Glocks are wonderful at driving the Glock Haters (who always seem to turn up in every single Glock thread to tell us they have nothing against the Glock it's just was not a good fit) out of their minds
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GunnyUSMC
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No they are not. There have been a lot of changes.
https://www.full30.com/watch/MDA5ODQx/detailed-comparison-glock-gen-5-vs-gen-3-4
Safety First
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JR24, you mentioned the P365 is too small for you. So, you may already know but Sig has just released the P365XL. The grip is slightly longer and the barrel I think is 1/2" or so longer than the standard P365. I mentioned it in case you see one in a LGS you might want to handle it to see if it is a better fit for you. I really think Sig has knocked this CCW out of the park especially as it seems they are quietly addressing the issues reported by the buyers of the early issues. When you add the 12 round mag to the mix to me it takes the value to another level. By the way, that reminds me. If the problem is the grip is too small you might handle one with the 12 round mag and see it that is more to your liking.
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I find myself wanting to answer your question with a question. Whose best & for what? I like the Glock 19 just fine. I don't dislike it or Glocks in general. The only reason I don't own one is because there are other very similar options that do the same thing it does for a good bit less money. I think it is fine pistol to carry or keep on the nightstand. There might be some circumstances where something else would be better. One thing about Glocks though it is very easy to find spare parts & accessories.
Thanks, if I ever buy another Glock it will be second-hand sample of newest generation. New plastic better then old one.
silvermane_1
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Heir Kommt Die Sonne, the "best" medium caliber handgun is the one that you personally can shoot the smallest group with, whether it's one of the brands/models you listed in the poll or it could be some brands/models that weren't listed in the poll. My advice would be for you to go to a firing range that rents handguns and see what kind of groupings you can shoot, you may even find out that you're more proficient with revolvers than with semi-autos.
silvermane_1
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It's anti-freeze and coolant.Yep... I saw people buying anti-freeze in Mali, where it's something like 110F during the cold season...
Now-a-days what doesn't? Those same checks could be applied to a dozen manufacturers in today's market.. we are no longer living in the 70-80's where there were only a small handful of reliable semi's out there
I have followed the thread from the beginning, trying to see where it goes.
I restrained myself of posting in this king of thread because i did not have a Glock, to make my opinion with certain value.
I would say the race is not fair for Colt since they lack of models-calibers comparing the two others brands, besides Glock and Sig the don't do revolvers.
Now the war of candies, Sig mow has the strategy of flowing the market like spray and prey and let see what stay solid from 22 cal. to AR in all formats of firearms available at salty prices.
Now and since the US armed forces accepted their proposal, they are ride on pride so their prices, are they bad at all, they have solid lemons for sure, rapidly remove from market via distributors (e.g.: some barrels paint were horrendous, ask me why, unsafe strike fire pistols and others beans.)
Glock, well a happy owners (neglected for years saying I don't need one, silly me I know) let me clarify.
I don't have low end nor unreliable firearm I consider firearms as small machine that in order to performs correctly need fulfill some requirements as a piece of engineering.
Gaston Glock, get mostly correct from the beginning several items, market, quality, price, fixed the quirks of some models and calibers, distribution channels.
Now my beans, Gaston said to the world forget about carry an anvil and try mine, at the same time he explained to buyers forget about decockers, frame safeties, slide safeties and so on for unneeded options (40 years later we are buying pitols with decockers and safeties ala S&W 80's tell the US Army) I got it right, cheap and easy.
I am a happy owners of a model 17 with an overall good performance, I have many Sigs none of them are polymer though, their models film gummy in my hand.
Can I compare Glocks to Sigs, yes some models are equivalents so apple with apples.
Glock are cheaper, same mags for caliber, more aftermarket parts and accessories and their customer service were there when Sig you have to send 20 emails and calls.
From the comfort zone I would say Glock 17 more than the 19 won the small battle and does yet, let see in 5 years how Sig they treat us.
Having Glocks, CZ P10 (needs heavy bullets to shoot where you aim), XD and HK VP9 one of the best now and several others brands, if you don't care about others options Glocks sound good.
I restrained myself of posting in this king of thread because i did not have a Glock, to make my opinion with certain value.
I would say the race is not fair for Colt since they lack of models-calibers comparing the two others brands, besides Glock and Sig the don't do revolvers.
Now the war of candies, Sig mow has the strategy of flowing the market like spray and prey and let see what stay solid from 22 cal. to AR in all formats of firearms available at salty prices.
Now and since the US armed forces accepted their proposal, they are ride on pride so their prices, are they bad at all, they have solid lemons for sure, rapidly remove from market via distributors (e.g.: some barrels paint were horrendous, ask me why, unsafe strike fire pistols and others beans.)
Glock, well a happy owners (neglected for years saying I don't need one, silly me I know) let me clarify.
I don't have low end nor unreliable firearm I consider firearms as small machine that in order to performs correctly need fulfill some requirements as a piece of engineering.
Gaston Glock, get mostly correct from the beginning several items, market, quality, price, fixed the quirks of some models and calibers, distribution channels.
Now my beans, Gaston said to the world forget about carry an anvil and try mine, at the same time he explained to buyers forget about decockers, frame safeties, slide safeties and so on for unneeded options (40 years later we are buying pitols with decockers and safeties ala S&W 80's tell the US Army) I got it right, cheap and easy.
I am a happy owners of a model 17 with an overall good performance, I have many Sigs none of them are polymer though, their models film gummy in my hand.
Can I compare Glocks to Sigs, yes some models are equivalents so apple with apples.
Glock are cheaper, same mags for caliber, more aftermarket parts and accessories and their customer service were there when Sig you have to send 20 emails and calls.
From the comfort zone I would say Glock 17 more than the 19 won the small battle and does yet, let see in 5 years how Sig they treat us.
Having Glocks, CZ P10 (needs heavy bullets to shoot where you aim), XD and HK VP9 one of the best now and several others brands, if you don't care about others options Glocks sound good.
deputy tom
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My choice would be glock 19 once they get rid of the finger-grooves, and add a much needed trigger guard under-cut to prevent glock knuckle. Until then I'll stick with the S&W SD9VE which solves both of these problems. tom.
Old Dog
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Uh, say what? They were? Ah, the hubris of youth. Permit me to re-phrase for you: "Glocks were the first guns to convince a lot of people new to hand-gunning that the "semi's" [sic] could be as reliable as ..."
Why is it that those who do not agree that Glocks are the be-all, end-all in handguns, are always characterized as "Glock Haters?"
GunnyUSMC
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Old Dog. Don’t get yourself mixed up. I have never seen you as a Glock Hater. Your more, one of those guys that sees them as a good gun, but you have others you like better.
Glock Haters are those that go to topics on Glocks just to let people know how much they don’t like Glocks. And they don’t stop there. They post repeatedly saying nothing more then they hate Glocks.
I guess you haven’t seen the Gen5 Glocks yet.My choice would be glock 19 once they get rid of the finger-grooves, and add a much needed trigger guard under-cut to prevent glock knuckle. Until then I'll stick with the S&W SD9VE which solves both of these problems. tom.
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My opinion is that Glocks do nothing at all better than the rest functionality wise... Nothing. I'd hypothesize that most people gun owners are not carrying Glock 19s or Glock 19 sized firearms from other manufacturer this day and age.
What Glock has over the competition is aftermarket support, marketing, longevity, and that it's a simple, no extras, basic pistol. They work, they're cheaper than the competition to manufacturer. They use both less parts and more polymer components than the competition.
With that said, I do believe that there are a few other handguns on the market that functional wise, can do ever last thing Glocks can do, but have better ergonomics and more out the box upgrades for a much better price...
What Glock has over the competition is aftermarket support, marketing, longevity, and that it's a simple, no extras, basic pistol. They work, they're cheaper than the competition to manufacturer. They use both less parts and more polymer components than the competition.
With that said, I do believe that there are a few other handguns on the market that functional wise, can do ever last thing Glocks can do, but have better ergonomics and more out the box upgrades for a much better price...
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I believe its "Glock vs X" or"Glock is better or the best" type threads that draw in people who strongly disagree. If you replaced "Glock" with 9mm, 45ACP, 1911, or any other firearm manu's name, the thread would end the same...
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JR24
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Examples?
I see other guns that are likely just as reliable are DEBATABLY more ergonomic (since ergos are subjective, for instance the Glock 17 gen 4 fits me like it was made for my hands, no other full size poly feels better to me) that are roughly the same price.
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I hear this a lot but those same bullet designs that helped the 9mm are also increasing the effectiveness of .40 S&W and .45 ACP. So I don't buy into this theory.
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My choice would be glock 19 once they get rid of the finger-grooves, and add a much needed trigger guard under-cut to prevent glock knuckle. Until then I'll stick with the S&W SD9VE which solves both of these problems. tom.
I see this parroted all the time as well, get rid of the finger grooves. Yet, many of us like the finger grooves. There is a glock forum poll on this very topic and most people prefer the finger grooves.
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/poll-finger-grooves-lets-finally-put-it-to-put-bed.1686973/page-12
JR24
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It's really not that deep. The FBI determined the range of penetration and the ammo designers tailored bullets to expand at this depth. So they all basically work the same, more or less, within a bullet design.
Sure, in gel, a .40 might go a little deeper or expand a few hundreths more but they are all effectively equal by design (again, within brand/bullet type, there are outliers and oddballs).
Of course, things like shooting through barriers and/or accuracy at range are factors not mentioned.
It's not that bullet design only brought up the 9mm, changes in effective stop philosophy just put them all on the same field
JR24
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Hey! I'll answer my own question, pending full field testing, WITH a $100 rebate this month the Beretta APX Centurion I picked up feels pretty darned good and should shoot on par with a 19 and feels a bit better in hand because Glock 19 finger grooves don't really fit me.
But without the rebate all my local shops are asking roughly what a Gen 5 Glock 19 goes for, so normally not much cheaper.
Also it's much closer to a 26 with 15 round mag than 19, considering balance and barrel length
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