FBI stats show 5 times more murders by knives than rifles in 2018

What's your point? Facts don't trump feelings [/sarcasm]

I don't find that surprising. This is just conjecture but...…..

Actual premeditated murder, while easier to accomplish with a rifle is much harder to conceal. Rifle shots are pretty hard to hide and I don't think a lot of murderers buy suppressors.
Crimes of passion occur. Catch a spouse or significant other cheating, grab what's on hand. Not all, but maybe some.
Drunken murders where likely unintentional but booze makes things go to far. Also guessing many of these are geared towards kids.
Addicts who are willing to kill to feed a habit are often willing to sell their stuff for cash.

Also, handguns are just more convenient.

Should I go out and panic buy some knives now?

Its incredibly sad that the media won't present the facts on this issue. That would allow for a more rational national discussion, but instead the very people who are supposed to be presenting just the facts try to sensationalize the issue.

Politicians in America aren't worried about knives - yet.
They're more concerned about guns that could punch through their armored limousine (even though this type of weapon has never been used in a crime) or take out their security team and leave them exposed... .

bassjam said:

Should I go out and panic buy some knives now?

Its incredibly sad that the media won't present the facts on this issue. That would allow for a more rational national discussion, but instead the very people who are supposed to be presenting just the facts try to sensationalize the issue.

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Restriction of knife rights is already a long time reality. I can own an automatic in Virginia, but I can't leave the farm with it without violating a law. When I look at my state's knife laws, it's clear that they were written to disarm the flood of 19th century Scottish and Irish immigrants who traditionally carried their black knife.

It's gotten worse. When I was in school every boy had some kind of pocket knife. If a kid pulled out a knife in a school today for any reason, he'd be in serious trouble.

Attempts to restrict knife ownership beggar reality. Unlike a firearm, anyone with a bit of metal and a file will have a killing instrument in a few hours.

I can hear it now, a legislator of the twenty-first century speaking in congress, "We've tried our best good faith efforts to first restrict firearms, then knives. It's hasn't worked. We're proposing now to do psychological testing on all school-age males. Any one of them who is found not to be a simpering, sniveling coward will be sent up for re-education, and be subject to permanent monitor. If our emotion monitoring ankle bracelet shows he experiences so much as mild indignation, it's permanent incarceration.

theotherwaldo said:

Politicians in America aren't worried about knives - yet.
They're more concerned about guns that could punch through their armored limousine (even though this type of weapon has never been used in a crime) or take out their security team and leave them exposed... .

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If you’re ruling over people isn’t that what you’d be worried about?

40-82 said:

Attempts to restrict knife ownership beggar reality. Unlike a firearm, anyone with a bit of metal and a file will have a killing instrument in a few hours.

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The existence of "shanks" in the prisons is proof of that.
You don't need a file as just some concrete will suffice as an abrasive,heck, you don't even need metal.

40-82 said:

Restriction of knife rights is already a long time reality. I can own an automatic in Virginia, but I can't leave the farm with it without violating a law. When I look at my state's knife laws, it's clear that they were written to disarm the flood of 19th century Scottish and Irish immigrants who traditionally carried their black knife.

It's gotten worse. When I was in school every boy had some kind of pocket knife. If a kid pulled out a knife in a school today for any reason, he'd be in serious trouble.

Attempts to restrict knife ownership beggar reality. Unlike a firearm, anyone with a bit of metal and a file will have a killing instrument in a few hours.

I can hear it now, a legislator of the twenty-first century speaking in congress, "We've tried our best good faith efforts to first restrict firearms, then knives. It's hasn't worked. We're proposing now to do psychological testing on all school-age males. Any one of them who is found not to be a simpering, sniveling coward will be sent up for re-education, and be subject to permanent monitor. If our emotion monitoring ankle bracelet shows he experiences so much as mild indignation, it's permanent incarceration.

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Knife laws have been relaxing in many states due to Knife Right's efforts. In my state, any blade is legal to carry. But there are other laws if you choose something stupid in an urban area to carry that you can be charged with. Used to have a 3.5" legal blade length limit and switch blades were illegal to carry. I would assume the same would apply to the "auto" knives made today. But that has all changed.

Handguns are the gun of choice for murders. It has always been the case. But I know your reason for posting this.... the general political assault on so called "assault" rifles....

On page two here there is a long running thread listing the guns that the bad guys carry. It was started by GunnyUSMC, who is a police officer, and he has added to it as more get brought in to his department.

22-rimfire said:

Knife laws have been relaxing in many states due to Knife Right's efforts. In my state, any blade is legal to carry. But there are other laws if you choose something stupid in an urban area to carry that you can be charged with. Used to have a 3.5" legal blade length limit and switch blades were illegal to carry. I would assume the same would apply to the "auto" knives made today. But that has all changed.

Handguns are the gun of choice for murders. It has always been the case. But I know your reason for posting this.... the general political assault on so called "assault" rifles....

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Don't you think criminals tend to be educated more by the media than anyone else? Until 1992 and Clinton's attack on assault rifles, aside from a handful of specialists, who knew anything about them, wanted them, or cared about them? The popularity of the AR and AK style rifles today is a direct result of media and legislative attention.

But the anti-gunners had to try something to keep the movement alive. A rifle no one seemed to want or use appeared to be a good bet for a ban. Think about it. If you were a diehard handgun banner would you have contributed to a campaign to ban handguns back in the 90's? The issue was dead in the water. Today the AR and Ak's seem genuinely popular, but I wonder how many owners of those rifles bought the first one "because I still can."

If a person truly wanted to reduce the number of new guns produced in America the best tactic would be to leave gun owners alone, but the idea of a free armed man is so odious in certain quarters that it seems a moral imperative to harass us, even if the ultimate result is that we respond by buying more guns. And not just shooters and hunters--people who see relatively little need for a weapon for self-defense, don't hunt, and aren't interested in shooting find themselves insisting upon owning some kind of firearm, any kind of firearm, as an expression of freedom.

These surveys like the Pew polls who insist overall rate of gun ownership is down are pure fantasy. If you lived in New York City and had a pocket pistol, would you admit to it to an unknown caller on the phone?

Until a group of High School students go on the road cross Country Protesting Knives Kill, Ban Knives ,no one will be safe from those deadly assault weapons of War.

Too bad the FBI report will never make headline, breaking News and just be buried.

Shanghai McCoy said:

On page two here there is a long running thread listing the guns that the bad guys carry. It was started by GunnyUSMC, who is a police officer, and he has added to it as more get brought in to his department.

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And where would this thread be?

22-rimfire said:

And where would this thread be?

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Page 2, General Gun Discussions.

40-82 said:

Restriction of knife rights is already a long time reality. I can own an automatic in Virginia, but I can't leave the farm with it without violating a law. When I look at my state's knife laws, it's clear that they were written to disarm the flood of 19th century Scottish and Irish immigrants who traditionally carried their black knife.

It's gotten worse. When I was in school every boy had some kind of pocket knife. If a kid pulled out a knife in a school today for any reason, he'd be in serious trouble.

Attempts to restrict knife ownership beggar reality. Unlike a firearm, anyone with a bit of metal and a file will have a killing instrument in a few hours.

I can hear it now, a legislator of the twenty-first century speaking in congress, "We've tried our best good faith efforts to first restrict firearms, then knives. It's hasn't worked. We're proposing now to do psychological testing on all school-age males. Any one of them who is found not to be a simpering, sniveling coward will be sent up for re-education, and be subject to permanent monitor. If our emotion monitoring ankle bracelet shows he experiences so much as mild indignation, it's permanent incarceration.

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Ohio's got some odd knife laws as well. Just about anything is legal to own and open carry for us. But you can't conceal carry knives that can be considered "deadly weapons" like butterfly knives, auto knives, fixed blades, and folding knives with longer blades. Unfortunately the law isn't clear on a lot of the terms or blade length, so there's been a number of innocent people that now have criminal records. It's perfectly legal for me to walk around in public with a sword on my hip, but I could get in a lot of trouble if I had a 4 in hunting knife hidden in a coat pocket and a cop wanted to make a big deal out of it..

bassjam said:

Ohio's got some odd knife laws as well. Just about anything is legal to own and open carry for us. But you can't conceal carry knives that can be considered "deadly weapons" like butterfly knives, auto knives, fixed blades, and folding knives with longer blades. Unfortunately the law isn't clear on a lot of the terms or blade length, so there's been a number of innocent people that now have criminal records. It's perfectly legal for me to walk around in public with a sword on my hip, but I could get in a lot of trouble if I had a 4 in hunting knife hidden in a coat pocket and a cop wanted to make a big deal out of it..

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In Virginia knife laws are a little strange. I can legally open carry a handgun. With a permit I can carry a concealed handgun. Whereas so far as I can figure out I could legally carry a large single bladed hunting knife openly or concealed without any kind of permit. Yet, if the knife happened to be a Bowie or a dagger carried concealed, my concealed carry permit wouldn't make it legal, which makes it interesting, particularly with a Bowie. The original Bowie was lost to the Mexicans at the Alamo. We don't know exactly how it was configured, and so far as I know doesn't have an exact legal definition.

The language of the original statue could stand some modernization and clarity and was probably based upon fear of immigrants going about in public armed like men.

Automatic knives are sold in Virginia, and when I asked one of the dealers if it was legal, he said, "There's no problem carrying it. Just don't choose to clean your fingernails with it when there's a cop around." He's probably right that they don't bother looking for things like that, but if you ever had to use one to defend yourself, I can easily see a court focusing not on the circumstances but on your use of a knife specifically prohibited by statue.

If we are talking about the "automatic" knife being basically the spring loaded one that comes straight out and back in they are now legal to possess and carry in VA, but you cant legally buy one in state. Stores that offer them are supposed to only be selling them for LEO use. However you could purchase one online and have it shipped to your house.

The biggest thing about carrying a common folding knife in VA is blade length.

and yet Walmart has Butcher knives out in the open....

Good Ol' Boy said:

If we are talking about the "automatic" knife being basically the spring loaded one that comes straight out and back in they are now legal to possess and carry in VA, but you cant legally buy one in state. Stores that offer them are supposed to only be selling them for LEO use. However you could purchase one online and have it shipped to your house.

The biggest thing about carrying a common folding knife in VA is blade length.

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This is new to me. I didn't know that. Do you have a link where I could read the new law?

Good Ol' Boy said:

If we are talking about the "automatic" knife being basically the spring loaded one that comes straight out and back in they are now legal to possess and carry in VA, but you cant legally buy one in state. Stores that offer them are supposed to only be selling them for LEO use. However you could purchase one online and have it shipped to your house.

The biggest thing about carrying a common folding knife in VA is blade length.

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I just looked it up.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=virginia+knife+laws+automatic

Unless this link is out of date, the way I read it I can own an automatic knife in Virginia, but when I put it in my pocket and leave my property it becomes illegal.

Oh, well, obviously that means we need to ban sharp knives, too. Not just carrying them, but owning them at all.

As silly as that sounds, that's where the UK is headed. No, seriously. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...7isF5GiQNqL42B5W4xoko9rC8JQn0WpckL5yXPqGyf7-E

Because, of course, once you accept that restricting potential instruments of harm (regardless of the relationship between their actual harmful use and harmless or beneficial use, and the rates of each), then it's basically inevitable that you attempt to nerf the world. Stubby-ended preschool scissors for all.

40-82 said:

I just looked it up.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=virginia+knife+laws+automatic

Unless this link is out of date, the way I read it I can own an automatic knife in Virginia, but when I put it in my pocket and leave my property it becomes illegal.

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The big grey area in VA seems to be the "concealing" part. From many folks in LE and govt I've talked to as long as it "looks like it's probably a knife" its ok.

So you know how like 99% of males around the state carry a knife with a clip and the knife is on the inside of the pocket with just a portion of the knife and clip showing? That's what they're referring to. And really I think it's become commonplace if only the clip is showing to assume it's a knife.

If it's not "concealed" then you can carry any type of knife.

It is "grey" but it's the way I and many thousands of folks carry a knife every day and I have yet to hear of folks being hassled by LE for it.

JERRY said:

and yet Walmart has Butcher knives out in the open....

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In our kitchen drawer are a couple kitchen knives that would make a wicked weapon.

Well, Texas just legalized Brass Knuckles and Tomahawks