Virginia's next move

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Craig_VA said:
Lobby Day on January 20 is a product of the legislature, not VCDL, It is a day for senators and delegates to meet with constituents as they come to the Capitol. All the members of the legislature will be in their offices and ready to meet anyone who comes to see them. You are right, there will be no committee meetings or floor sessions because the members will be meeting with constituents.

VCDL has been one of the largest and most well organized groups to encourage members to come to Lobby Day. Members both to go into the building to meet with legislators and also to hold a large rally with scheduled speakers outside. Other groups have done the same thing. A few years ago anti-gunners held a parallel rally on Lobby Day. Their numbers were dwarfed by the VCDL rally.

Here is a news item from2018 on the right to carry firearms into the building:
Visitors to Va. state house can still carry guns
Nick Iannelli | @NickWTOP
An attempt in 2019 to change the law failed. Note that while Virginia is an open carry state, to bring a firearm s in to the capitol building you must have a concealed handgun permit, whether carrying openly or concealed.

Finally, VCDL schedules busses from all over the state to help folks get to Lobby Day. Seats cost $35. You can support the effort by donating seats. Please consider doing so.
To donate a seat for another rider, use this link: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/donate-a-seat-on-a-bus-for-lobby-day-jan-20-2020-tickets-85874911171
If you want to pay by check, mail it to VCDL Treasurer, 19390 Beaver Dam Rd, Beaverdam, VA 23015-1350 - but you'll still need your Eventbrite ticket.
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Thanks for posting this.

The more I look into the vcdl the more I like what I read.

The goofballs that many in this thread are concerned about are not vcdl.

I would also add that tensions have been far higher in the past at actual armed conflict with the .gov and none of the people involved fired on the .gov

A protest is just that.

I haven't decided yet whether an armed one, in this case, is good or bad, yet.

I totally understand and recognize those in the thread saying that armed would be stupid.

I am just not convinced yet that an armed show would be without merit.
 
AlexanderA said:
The sudden degree of opposition has taken the antigunners by surprise.
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"degree of opposition" is key here. The districts and counties passing ordinances in opposition has great impact. Officials going on record against the proposals has great impact. The VCDL organizing opposition has great impact. The voters contacting their representatives, even those bought by Bloomberg, has great impact. AND the organized opposition by way of a well organized rally will have a great impact.
 
hso said:
Maybe, but the majority of voters don't understand the current laws AND have been lied to and frankly the majority aren't sure.

The facts don't support doing anything other than enforcing current laws.
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The challenge is how are you going to educate the people that voted with a anti-2A Governor and Legislators and media controlling the news?

Since many of the members hate the NRA I am sure they want the NRA experience, influence and money to stay out of it.
 
Anti State senator Lucas replied to my email for a meeting with a form letter that said no.
I followed it with a pledge that because of her lack of courtesy I will support a candidate running against her in the next election. A staff person called me!
I got an appointment on Jan 20.

Guys, be civil logical and courteous and firm that we will be active opponents in the next election

I will wearing a suit and tie and after I represent my well thought out objections to house Bill 16, I will respectfully remind her I am a community influenced as a member of the VFW, FOP, and on the Board or member of several senior citizen groups and I can influence up to 300 votes.I

( Call my bluff lady, I assure you it is not a bluff)
 
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bikerdoc said:
Anti State senator Lucas replied to my email for a meeting with a form letter that said no.
I followed it with a pledge that because of her lack of courtesy I will support a candidate running against her in the next election. A staff person called me!
I got an appointment on Jan 20.

Guys, be civil logical and courteous and firm that we will be active opponents in the next election

I will wearing a suit and tie and after I represent my well thought out objections to house Bill 16, I will respectfully remind her I am a community influenced as a member of the VFW, FOP, and on the Board or member of several senior citizen groups and I can influence up to 300 votes.I

( Call my bluff lady, I assure you it is not a bluff)
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Outstanding!

Rooting hard for you guys!
 
I find myself of two minds on this. I understand not wanting to generate bad press and presenting as an orderly, well mannered, and thoughtfully serious movement. And if the anti-2A and the MSM (but I repeat myself) were capable of rational discussion and/or thought, it might be worthwhile. On the other hand, I recognize that most of these folks place emotion ahead of fact and no amount of reality will sway them. And when folks like that are in charge it doesn't bode well for us on any level.

How many red lines they are allowed to cross before there are some serious consequences? Who makes that determination? Being voted out of office for openly standing against 97% of the principles that this country was founded on seems pretty minor when they often just pop up in another role, spreading more of their... whatever you want to call it...
 
hso said:
Considering the number of protests around 2A overreach that have been carried out while conspicuously carrying firearms and the absence of any violence from either side, it is difficult to understand how that can be taken seriously or how it helps the cause of not throwing ourselves into the arms of the Anti spin.

I agree that we risk harming our cause by showing up conspicuously armed, but that's a perception issue and opening ourselves up to spin as "dangerous to the public" from the Antis, not a serious risk of violence.
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Unfortunately we now live in a country where perception is everything. Note how the left is always about the "narrative", they even sometimes admit it.
 
bikerdoc said:
A staff person called me! I got an appointment on Jan 20.
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Go get em Doc.

And please, speak your mind. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I participated in rallies on steps of CA capitol. Law makers are quite sensitive to seeing and hearing voters' sentiment with their own eyes and ears.

Virginians, if you don't want to end up like CA, IL and NY, etc., make the sacrifice and let all the law makers know and see your pro gun/2A sentiment.
 
bikerdoc said:
followed it with a pledge that because of her lack of courtesy I will support a candidate running against her in the next election. A staff person called me!
I got an appointment on Jan 20.
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Everyone in VA should be doing this.

Also bring a sheet with as many signatures of voters in their district as you can (legitimate voters) to show them you are voicing their constituents' concerns, not just your interests. Make sure they know you are not a lone voice.
 
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hso said:
Also bring a sheet with as many signatures of voters in their district as you can (legitimate voters) to show them you are voicing their concerns, not just your interests. Make sure they know you are not a lone voice.
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Yes, very good idea. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
GEM said:
The worst thing that can happen is low turn out. I recall in my youth, thousands for Civil Rights and opposition to the Viet Nam war. Thousand marched recently after the 2016 election for gender equality. People took buses for hundreds of miles to get to such.

If you can't put out large numbers for the 2nd Amendment, that says it all.
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The problem with this is that most pro 2A folks have jobs they have to go to feed their families. But I agree, if no one shows up, it will reinforce their "mandate."
 
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Well hopefully only 6'2'' blonde hair blue eyed athletic late 20s early 30s, college educated professionals show up. They can handle ANY press questions ad hoc. If ever there are 200K + at a rally, setup a screening committee, based on height, color, firearms preference(s), etc.put the best forward and use the others as fillers...

Now, back to Realville USA that's not going to happen at this upcoming or any future rally, or any in the past. From 20 outside a local reps office to 1000's marching through the streets in Columbus, OH a few years ago (didn't hear that one eh?) , CT, Mass. chanting ''we will not comply'', etc.
 
Doc Samson said:
I find myself of two minds on this. I understand not wanting to generate bad press and presenting as an orderly, well mannered, and thoughtfully serious movement. And if the anti-2A and the MSM (but I repeat myself) were capable of rational discussion and/or thought, it might be worthwhile. On the other hand, I recognize that most of these folks place emotion ahead of fact and no amount of reality will sway them. And when folks like that are in charge it doesn't bode well for us on any level.

How many red lines they are allowed to cross before there are some serious consequences? Who makes that determination? Being voted out of office for openly standing against 97% of the principles that this country was founded on seems pretty minor when they often just pop up in another role, spreading more of their... whatever you want to call it...
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I feel much the same frustration and I feel certain that a lot of other people do, as well. That said, I think it is important to vote and I think that it is important to remember that serious (violent or unnecessary) disruption can bring on a protest shut-down or worse. Municipalities have regulations and you need to understand them before you exercise your right to demonstrate or protest. It is important to be heard and seen. I am just not sure that being a part of serious consequences will do any of us any good.

To my mind, these are times of great upheaval. I have worry for the future and I realize that being apathetic is maybe one reason we are where we are but at this point in time, I stand alongside calm and reason.
 
Thibaut said:
I realize that being apathetic is maybe one reason we are where we
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I absolutely agree.

So we need to stop being apathetic and exercise our right to free speech and talk to law makers of our sentiment using every means available and vote with our pocketbooks by donating to pro gun/2A organizations.

I believe it's time for gun owners to come together and organize and mobilize. This method has worked in the past for many civil rights issues and could work for our minority right of self defense and gun ownership.

Gun Rights Actually Are a Civil Rights Issue - https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/28/gun-rights-are-a-civil-rights-issue/
 
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VA 2A advocates should be organizing buses to take people to the capitol on the 20th to help make it easy for people to show up.

Every county opposing the threatened infringements should be making sure that people can easily get there.
 
And theres the rub, we dont have out of state billionaires paying for free bus rides.

While most of us in this discussion would be willing to take off work and pay 35 bucks to get to the rally, or moreover drive our own cars and pay gas etc., there are no doubt some that won't.


Point is it's hard to compete with agenda based billionaires.


Still I am confident we'll have a turnout for our side bigger than any other LD so far.
 
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