10mm..: the new outdoorsman's choice.?

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Not interested, the 45ACP is my favorite home defense round, reason being a 230gr. bullet at 850fps. is a damn good manstopper that won't blow out my eardrums or blind me with muzzle flash. Love the .40Super (10mm for you sillymeter guys) great gun for the woods but I certainly wouldn't want to shoot one inside my home.:p

Sorry brutus, the .40 Super is NOT the same as the 10mm. The .40 Super is a distinct cartridge:

The .40 Super is a powerful automatic pistol cartridge developed in 1996 and introduced to the market by Triton Cartridge. The cartridge was co-developed by Fernando Coelho and Tom Burczynski. It never attained mainstream success, Triton Cartridge folded, and supplies and support is now very limited.[1]

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I will say that I don't find the pursuit of pushing .400" bullets beyond their workable velocities to be of much gain. Truth is, if you handload, the .40 S&W will take full advantage of all JHP designs, pushing it another 100 fps in the 10mm isn't going to make it more deadly and going even further with .40 SUPER is essentially wasting powder. I don't fault the 10mm Auto, it's a fine cartridge and I've owned over a dozen, but I've yet to see what it can kill that the .40 S&W cannot.

Everyone is different, but if I want more power I'll go for a more power and a bigger bullet, not just the same bullet ~100 fps faster, which for me is the .44 Mag.
 
I will say that I don't find the pursuit of pushing .400" bullets beyond their workable velocities to be of much gain. Truth is, if you handload, the .40 S&W will take full advantage of all JHP designs, pushing it another 100 fps in the 10mm isn't going to make it more deadly and going even further with .40 SUPER is essentially wasting powder. I don't fault the 10mm Auto, it's a fine cartridge and I've owned over a dozen, but I've yet to see what it can kill that the .40 S&W cannot.

Everyone is different, but if I want more power I'll go for a more power and a bigger bullet, not just the same bullet ~100 fps faster, which for me is the .44 Mag.

Matching the bullet to the velocity is always something to keep in mind. But there are plenty of quality 10mm bullet designed for 10mm velocities. Also 10mm Auto pushing similar weight bullets a lot more than 100 fps faster than 40S&W, more like 200-250 fps faster. With the right bullets that does make a difference.
 
I started this thread, so I want to take the liberty of drifting a little bit.
My question to the 10mm guys is ...
What does the 10mm offer that a 185gr +P .45acp lacks?

I am doing a bit of thinking about a defensive sidearm for an Alaska fishing trip that may happen sooner than I thought. A good friend dropped by my place yesterday evening. He was wanting to go up there for the salmon run in August.
To me it's not a question of "lacks" it's a question of comforts. I carried a M1911A1 for years, I just didn't care for it. I've fired a <45 by 3 diff. Manufacturers. I.m Just not comfortable with them. My favorite weapon is my old Gen 1Compensated Glock 24 40 S&W which is what I carry. I also like my Gen 4 Model 20 10mm. Depending on what I need is what I use. I've never SEEN a Bear when carrying ANY weapon. But I have had to drop an old cow Moose with the 10mm. If I did face a bear I would prefer an M198 in 155mm but they're too hard to carry.
 
I would still prefer my 357 over the 10mm. Power wise the 10mm has a small advantage but not enough to make me run out and buy one. But the 10mm is not in the same league as a 44 mag. And my wheel guns don't throw my expensive brass all over the ground where its never found. As a reloader thats important to me.

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From a fellow reloader, right on , right on, before the light bulb lite up and arriving àt a simple solution, I purchased an EL CHEAPO Metal Detector, using it never lost a single cartridge case. Light bulb lite up??? Easy peasy better solution?? Bought a cheap LARGE TARP, assembled a framework to hold full width of tarp upright 10' high 20' long, now I can fire 100'S of rounds, all mt's Easley picked up plus brass stays clean, downside, if windy framework has to be tied down, if tiedowns are made ahead of time, takes about 5 minutes to set up.
 
To me it's not a question of "lacks" it's a question of comforts. I carried a M1911A1 for years, I just didn't care for it. I've fired a <45 by 3 diff. Manufacturers. I.m Just not comfortable with them. My favorite weapon is my old Gen 1Compensated Glock 24 40 S&W which is what I carry. I also like my Gen 4 Model 20 10mm. Depending on what I need is what I use. I've never SEEN a Bear when carrying ANY weapon. But I have had to drop an old cow Moose with the 10mm. If I did face a bear I would prefer an M198 in 155mm but they're too hard to carry.
Excellent choice.
I'd say they share the spotlight. Which means the 10mm has come a long way since the BrenTen. My Dad still has a .44 revolver, but sold his Glock 20 a long time ago. Being a few months shy of 80, he probably doesn't shoot it much.
I'd say they share the spotlight. Which means the 10mm has come a long way since the BrenTen. My Dad still has a .44 revolver, but sold his Glock 20 a long time ago. Being a few months shy of 80, he probably doesn't shoot it much.
About that boot stomping on a human face, alias a gun owner, will be covering the foot of the top dog in the White House or Congress, do we need to guess which party, the mere thought sends MAJOR TSUNAMIS up and down my spine!!!!!! Like -600 degrees below zero!!!!!
 
My 10mm load of choice is a 200gr XTP going about 1250 fps from the old 610. One of the two does in my above picture was shot down through a shoulder blade and spine and the bullet still exited the deer.

I have since added an identically configured S&W Model 29 so I guess I could carry either 44 Mag or 10mm, or both...

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That said f I am not hunting but out in the wood I have always just carried a good old Model 10 in 38 Special. That has been on my hip for nearly all my trips into the wood for the past 6+ years. Though I am currently playing with replacing it with a Webley Mk VI. But I don't have any bear to contend with.
Excellent choice, I have both, 10mm 6.5" brl, 44 Magnum 8 3/8" blr, want to put same length on my M610, don't know any gunsmith to do so, anyone know who????
 
Excellent choice.


About that boot stomping on a human face, alias a gun owner, will be covering the foot of the top dog in the White House or Congress, do we need to guess which party, the mere thought sends MAJOR TSUNAMIS up and down my spine!!!!!! Like -600 degrees below zero!!!!!

Huh? If you were referencing my sig line, 1.) It is not germane to the discussion of 10mm, and 2.) Your comment on it is incoherent.
 
While out in the woods the biggest threat I see is getting injured and unable to hike/crawl back to help. Bears, wolves, mountain lions, coyotes, meth makers, and pot growers are just the tip of the ice Berg. Injuries kill more folks in the woods then all combined. So let folks know where you are going and plan on returning. That alone could save your life.
Could not be said any better, I learned two very valuable life-saving lessons, after I lost my behind for three days, I was still a freshman in high school so each journey into a roadless area was a profound and enjoyable experience, that is until my know-it-all thinking lost myself. Lesson #1- water always runs downhill, #2- EVERY 50' feet turn around and look at everything closely so you remember the layout on your return. Eating Huckleberries for 3 days is a lesson PROFOUND!!!!
 
Huh? If you were referencing my sig line, 1.) It is not germane to the discussion of 10mm, and 2.) Your comment on it is incoherent.
I was referring not to the 10mm ( I have 4 two M610' S, two M1911'S, I have DEEP respect for all four ) I was referring to the passage below your post, what you posted I would be the very last to disagree, if EVER!!!
 
Well, sort of. I can name the number of handguns chambering the .454 on one hand. The FA 83, Ruger Super Redhawk, Ruger Super Blackhawk (Bisley), MRI BFR and the Taurus Raging Bull. That's it. Also worth nothing that only the Super Redhawk is a regular catalog item for Ruger and only with a 2.75" or 7.5" barrel. That's not much selection and they are ALL stainless steel. That right there cuts quite a few buyers. I know that I've probably bought my last stainless steel handgun if I can avoid it. None of them are what I'd call a "packin' pistol" but I don't really want to be shooting 50-65,000psi loads out of one anyway. For hunting guns, you can probably find what you want within that limited selection. I'm going to provide some examples of what the .44Mag can do that the .454 can't. Before I get started and anyone starts thinking I'm bagging on the .454, I own three of them, including an FA 83 with $1000 worth of grip work. However, I could very easily live the rest of my life without them and hunt everything I want to hunt, from here to the Zambezi.

It can't be found in a $600 Bisley Vaquero with a blued finish. I can sling a 355gr at 1100fps out of this thing. Where is the .454 equivalent? Even if it existed, what is the .454 going to do that it can't?

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It can't be found in an Old Model Super Blackhawk.

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It can't be found in your basic run of the mill Bisley. For about the cost of a BFR, I had this $400 Bisley tuned, gussied up and restocked.

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It can't be found in the Bisley Hunter, the best solution if you want to scope a Ruger single action.

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It sure as hell won't be found in the svelte Uberti Callahan, which is barely heavier than an SAA. Perfectly fine for standard type .44 loads, though the cylinder is too short for much over 300gr.

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If you like N-frames like the imminently packable Mountain Gun, you'll have to make do with the .44Mag. There are no 40oz DA .454's and who would want to shoot one anyway?

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Somehow I don't think a black oxide Raging Hunter is going to have the same appeal as a model 29. If a 250gr at 1200fps is all I need, what's the point of a .454 anyway?

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You should be ashamed of yourself posting such heart stopping exquisitely drooling beautiful handguns. I truly believe you should be VERY proud of what you have, I hope the BATFE never gets their greedy corrupt hands on them, because you will watch them being thrown into a blast furnace, like they did to my Colt Combat Elite full house $6,000 redo in COLTS Custom Shop. I had the work done shortly after the CC Elite was on the market, that 1911 would probably be worth around $20,000 now????
 
I think it is difficult to come to a consensus because we live in such vastly different places and everyone has different needs. I have lived and hunted in North Texas my entire life. I have never seen a bear so I don't bother packing for one. I do love revolvers (if you don't like 45 Colt you're weird :p). However, one of my duty pistols is a Glock 20 and I am perfectly capable of engaging bad guys, deer and hogs with it. I'm qualified on the Glock so if something happens and I'm forced to fight a bandit or two I'll be covered by my agency. On March 20th of this year I arrested three poachers and it was nice having that Glock since help is literally an hour away. But man, I do love revolvers...
Question---??? Do all you Hi-Cap lover's plan on shooting like Hollywood, 10,000 rounds fired and all misses. It's a jokes, folk's. If they hit the target the show would last 5 minutes?????
 
I have never perceived revolvers as having that much more potential accuracy than a semi-auto of comparable cost/build quality. And in most cases the accuracy of most quality handguns is better than a larger number of the users can achieve in a practical setting.

I have shot a lot of revolvers and semi-autos using the same ammo (40S&W and 45 ACP) in practical pistol competition and in the run and gun setting the accuracy difference between the two were lost in the many other factors effecting one's ability to get hits on target. The actual MOA accuracy (assuming it was decent to begin with) was a non-issue. In my own shooting at the shooting bench it was a toss up on whether my revolvers or semi-autos produce better groups. My XD-40 (not an expensive handgun) frequently produced better groups than the same ammo in my 610 revolver. So much so, I started loading specific ammo for the 610 that would not feed in the XD-40 to bring it up to similar accuracy. My 2011 has always shot better than my 610 or XD-40s with nearly any ammo. My 625 on the other hand usually out shot my XD-45.

I think if you really spit and polish a revolver it might have more accuracy potential but your going to have to be at the bench to see it. In the wood doing battle with the demonic bruins the minor accuracy differences between a quality revolver and quality semi-auto are lost in the pucker factor.
Truer words were never spoken ( pucker factor ) , on one of my sojourns while working in Alaska I àccompenied a guide and his client so as to pack in and out equipment used in a $$$15,000 Brown Bear hunt, spotted a LARGE BOAR, moved downwind of him, wind blowing hard making lots of noise, got within ten yards, bear stood up facing into wind, guide whispered to client to shoot, that bear looked as big as an elephant, no shot occured, the client was about 25 yards awày and running like hell. The two of us just about died laughing, The bear dropped down onto his front legs and feet and took off like a bat out of hell into the wind, after what, who knows???
 
This thread needs some more photos. I like the 10mm cartridge and have these two handguns. I have used the Ruger as a sidearm during an elk hunt, but I normally choose a .44 Mag or .45 Colt. However, I would feel just fine if this was all I had.

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Be proud, you have two beautiful handguns, oh, by the way, Ruger now has a custom shop, but will only work on Ruger firearms. Have heard nothing but excellent work done in house.
 
Question---??? Do all you Hi-Cap lover's plan on shooting like Hollywood, 10,000 rounds fired and all misses. It's a jokes, folk's. If they hit the target the show would last 5 minutes?????

I carried a revolver for the first seven years of my law enforcement career before we transitioned in 1994. Today we carry semiautos because it's stupid not to. I plan on not having to reload during a gunfight. Do you have any idea how hard it is to reload a revolver when your hand is halfway blown off? I've been there, you? A wise man/polite person wouldn't knock another's choice in firearms. Oh, but I do have these old things lying around...

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You should be ashamed of yourself posting such heart stopping exquisitely drooling beautiful handguns. I truly believe you should be VERY proud of what you have, I hope the BATFE never gets their greedy corrupt hands on them, because you will watch them being thrown into a blast furnace, like they did to my Colt Combat Elite full house $6,000 redo in COLTS Custom Shop. I had the work done shortly after the CC Elite was on the market, that 1911 would probably be worth around $20,000 now????
This is why I don't drink.
 
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