What do you think ATF will do about Binary triggers

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I was looking at a fostech sport. But it hit me will AFT come a looking for these like they did the FRT's? I can see ATF saying a round being fired when letting go of a trigger is not legal. Also if I get the trigger and can not use it well as I have seen some videos that some people have a hard time working it and then sell the trigger what happens if ATF does come looking for it?
 
The Fostech sport can be had for $240, I want to buy one but if I do and it even looks like they will make it illegal I will sell it fast. I was wondering what ATF will do if they come for it and you sold it at a gun show or on Craig's list with out any knowledge of who you sold it to.
 
The Fostech sport has a selector that is just in front of the trigger. The more expensive version almost twice as much uses the selector to do it.
 
I will start by saying I have no idea what they will or try to do but here is what they have said in the past. With the addition of a paper staple a mini 14 trigger group can be turned into a fire once with the pulling action and fire again with the release action.

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You can’t get two shots out of it with a single function, so they said it’s not a machinegun.
 
kwb377 said:
The ATF also sent out similar letters saying braces were legal...yet here we are.
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I think they are taking every path to eliminate an AR. Any mod or asscessory will be used to infringe or put you on a list. Honestly that's why I don't own one, but fully support those that do.... I also don't like chasing brass, so there is that.
 
As a machine gun owner, I don't understand all the interest in workarounds such as bump stocks and binary triggers, when actual full automatics are marginally useful anyway. Just go to Vegas, rent a machine gun at a range, and satisfy your curiosity. Then you won't need to waste your time thereafter.

The fact is, rapid aimed shots from an AR-15 are more effective than mag dumps from a machine gun. Or is this the appeal of the "forbidden fruit"?
 
AlexanderA said:
As a machine gun owner, I don't understand all the interest in workarounds such as bump stocks and binary triggers, when actual full automatics are marginally useful anyway. Just go to Vegas, rent a machine gun at a range, and satisfy your curiosity. Then you won't need to waste your time thereafter.

The fact is, rapid aimed shots from an AR-15 are more effective than mag dumps from a machine gun. Or is this the appeal of the "forbidden fruit"?
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I have a couple full auto ARs and people always want to shoot them - once. Its fun to shoot a a pile of bricks or an old car or similar but gets old pretty quickly.
Like you mention, I am really only interested in being as precise as possible with every shot I take, which is why I much prefer ARs over AKs. I do like the 7.62x39 round which is why I have a few ARs chambered for it as well as a very precise shooting SKS. The round I most like to shoot in full auto is subsonic .300 BLK.
I do think full auto firearms should be legal for civilians to own without the restrictions in place now and think the NFA restrictions are outdated and should be abolished as all they do is punish law abiding firearms owners. Criminals are gonna do whatever they want anyway.
I don't have any problems with law abiding firearms owners buying whatever type of firearms with whatever options or accessories they personally want. I don't particularly like polymer framed pistols and don't enjoy shooting them, but I'm fine with the millions of people who do like owning and enjoy shooting them.
 
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I have been to the Vegas machine gun rental several times. Shot MP5, Thompson, MP40 and a few others. The statement you made that aimed shooting is better than the spray and pray is true if you are talking about needing to defend yourself against tow or 4 criminals unless they are all armed and all in a group coming at you. Most times you are correct. But with things going insane and you find yourself in the middle of some leftist riot where they are just attacking anyone white or that they don't like and there are 30 of them or even more, then to be able to open up on the aggressors would be very fine. I know that it is more likely today than at any other time in our history that this would happen. The only other time I can think of was back in the late 60s to early 70s when Motorcycle gangs would come to small towns and tear them up. Then is a time I can see when full auto would have been nice. Open up on a group of these idiots and I bet they would think twice about ever trying it again. Have several citizens open up on these scum bags and there would be little left to worry about. For those who say it is very unlikely to happen, I say so is it unlikely that you will have to use your CCW to defend yourself unless you live in or near the hood. But no one who knows about guns and carries would say that.
 
The thing about an NFA full auto is our illustrious Ronney Reagan closed the door on new Autos. This was a dumb rear end thing to do. Now what cost 800 dollar is now north of 20k. Reagan was far from perfect.
 
AlexanderA said:
As a machine gun owner, I don't understand all the interest in workarounds such as bump stocks and binary triggers, when actual full automatics are marginally useful anyway. Just go to Vegas, rent a machine gun at a range, and satisfy your curiosity. Then you won't need to waste your time thereafter.

The fact is, rapid aimed shots from an AR-15 are more effective than mag dumps from a machine gun. Or is this the appeal of the "forbidden fruit"?
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With all due respect, not that many of us can afford a machine gun or a trip to Las Vegas just to try one out. For the many that cannot, those "workarounds" may be the only feasible way to try out anything that gets close to full-auto.
 
I fully believe that if they are ultimately successful with the FRT and pistol brace ban, binaries will be targeted soon after.
 
As a guess, since that appears to be the point of the OP, ATFE is, eventually, going to try and stomp out what they feel are the "scourge" of binary triggers.

It's fairly obvious that a number of binary trigger makers created designs just to thumb their nose at, or to rub AFT's nose in it. Large government agencies chock full of bureaucrats and all the inertia that implies, move slow, and often ineptly. This does not mean they did not notice, nor take it very personally. Just ask Rare Breed and FRT.

Against that, though, is the fact that ATFE is up to its neck in lawsuits, stays, restraining orders and the like--and being dragged before Congress and getting asked sharp, jagged questions.

So, maybe that means "binary triggers" may get ignored.

For now.
 
I have shot a few full autos from time to time and it is very short term entertainment. I would not pay even the pre-86 price for one.

We did have a skilled SMG shooter run through an IPSC stage after the pistol match. He could put short bursts through multiple targets in short order, so it is learnable.
 
kwb377 said:
The ATF also sent out similar letters saying braces were legal...yet here we are.
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Yep, stuff is legal until it’s not and the other way around too.

Prohibition being an example of both situations and the same product.

Someday binary triggers could join the list of things that used to be legal, so could all semiautos, …
 
BATFE is a regulatory agency. What if Congress decides to craft legislation making it unlawful?

Wait until the first major, multiple murder event occurs where the gadget is used, and Congress decides to "do something" about it ...
 
What do you think ATF will do about Binary triggers?

If it ain't a matchlock the statists are figuring out a campaign against it right now, as you're reading this. If they haven't already.

Victory by attrition. Nibble nibble nibble.

Kentucky Rifles? They must be banned because of their horrifying long rang accuracy and power and a frightening weapon of war.

Evidence? Evidence? You want evidence, here's evidence for you:

3 police officers were killed in Kentucky by a suspect with a rifle
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/02/1109554067/suspect-rifle-killed-3-police-officers-kentucky
Jul 2, 2022AP. ALLEN, Ky. (AP) — Three law enforcement officers were killed and five wounded in eastern Kentucky when a man with a rifle opened fire on police attempting to serve a warrant, authorities ...
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Ban those evil Kentucky rifles now !

Terry, 230RN
 
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My right index finger can mag dump a semi-auto AK in about three seconds. It's called "Bump" firing and it doesn't take that much practice. I hook my right thumb in a belt loop and pull the gun forward with my left hand.

Let's see them try to ban my right index finger.
 
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