Does lyman 4th edition cover 45 colt, 454, and 460 that are 230 and 340 grains and above?
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ballman6711
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45 Colt goes to 300gr. 230 gr goes to about 1000 fps.
454 Casull starts at 255gr. 1650 fps is about max. The heavier bullets go slower.
460 data only goes to 325gr. The data shows about 800~1000 fps with Trail Boss powder. Other powders go a lot faster, and may be able to be downloaded.
You MAY achieve your goals if you go off the reservation, or you MAY have a KABOOM. It's your choice.
If it were me, I would load a ladder test starting at min or just above.
I load 480 Ruger and let my gun and my wrists tell me what works, as well as holes on the target. Faster/hotter isn't always better. I have a few loads at or near max, but most of my loads are mid-range or below.
chris
454 Casull starts at 255gr. 1650 fps is about max. The heavier bullets go slower.
460 data only goes to 325gr. The data shows about 800~1000 fps with Trail Boss powder. Other powders go a lot faster, and may be able to be downloaded.
You MAY achieve your goals if you go off the reservation, or you MAY have a KABOOM. It's your choice.
If it were me, I would load a ladder test starting at min or just above.
I load 480 Ruger and let my gun and my wrists tell me what works, as well as holes on the target. Faster/hotter isn't always better. I have a few loads at or near max, but most of my loads are mid-range or below.
chris
What are the ranges of cast lead grainage for45 colt 460 and 454?
ballman6711
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45 Colt --- 160gr to 300gr
454 Casull --- 255gr to 325gr (only three listings)
460 S&W --- 255gr to 325gr
Some of the bullets shown would use gas checks.
chris
CoalCrackerAl
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I suggest adding Lymans 3rd to your library too. It has loads the 4t does not. There a places that sell reprints of the 3rd.
CoalCrackerAl
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You should really buy both editions. Then you will always have data at your finger tips. I use my 3rd more than i do my 4th.
the manufacturer says there's nothing above 325 grains. Why would I buy books that have no information on what I need? if you see that information in the book that shows 340 grain bullets I sure like to see it so I'm not wasting my money. I don't just buy things just to buy things like many other people that have nothing better to do with their money. And on top of that 454 and 460 are not in the third edition. Why are you even bringing that up?
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irishlad
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Wow
CoalCrackerAl
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I am on topic. If and when you expand into other calibers. You will find them handy. As they say you can lead a horse to water. But can't make it drink. Good luck on your quest.
the manufacturer says there's nothing above 325 grains. Why would I buy books that have no information on what I need? if you see that information in the book that shows 340 grain bullets I sure like to see it so I'm not wasting my money. I don't just buy things just to buy things like many other people that have nothing better to do with their money
Yes. I just had the lyman 4th on order then cancelled because manufacture says nothing above 325. Now I read someone in the forums saying there are loads for casts above 325. With mixed info, I dont care to waste money on something that does not have the info I need. I read the 3rd edition and it stops at 45 colt. So until someone has proof of lyman 4th with 340 grain keith cast, for 460 and 454 casull I will not get it. Maybe I should have said this instead of being so short. I am sorry about that. Please forgive me?
ballman6711
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ballman6711
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Look on Hodgdons site, they have 360gr loads for both 454 and 460. Not sure if they are lead.
chris
chris
Thank youvery muchfor that reaponse. I dont like the response,but oh well
Thank you.
But I need loads for 340 grain. Just got keith moulds with plain base no gas checks
ballman6711
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Data for heavier bullets "usually" use less powder than lighter bullets. So you should be able to use 360gr data for your 340gr bullets, just start low and work up your loads. That's what I would do.
I'll look in a few of my other books and see what I can come up with for you.
chris
I'll look in a few of my other books and see what I can come up with for you.
chris
CoalCrackerAl
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Lee's 2nd. Has the data.
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GeoDudeFlorida
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The 4th Edition is still in print. You’re asking people to violate copyright rules. If you check the forum rules, that’s a huge nogo.
sparkyv
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+1 on the Lee 2nd ed.
CoalCrackerAl
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I fixed mine. Thanks for reminding me.
Your links are dead for the data.
CoalCrackerAl
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I stopped the links. Copy right infringement. Buy the book. It's a computation of many data sources.
Here ya go under 25.00 shipped.
Here ya go under 25.00 shipped.
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What did you fix? The links are still bad.
CoalCrackerAl
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I deleted them in my post. The post quoting them will not work then. It was copyright infringement. Don't be cheap. Just get your self the Lee book. Im done here on this post from now out.
