SO...what became of the 30 Super Carry?

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i've not been paying much attention to the wonderful world of guns the past few months, way too involved in health issues in my family and myself. and when i was paying attention several months ago, a hot topic was the (relatively) new 30 Super Carry. but i see no new discussions on the forum. so, has it's day already passed? is it forgotten? was it judged and found ridiculous and unnecessary? or is there a secret cult developing around it?

the only reason i even remembered it is because i saw i big pile of 30 SC at the rural king the other day. but they didn't have one in the case to sell.
 
Right now the only companies producing firearms in 30SC is Nighthawk, S&W and Hi Point.

I don't care for the S&W models chambered in 30SC. And you better get a second mortgage if you want to buy the Nighthawk. The limiting factor for the Hi Point is magazine capacity since they use proprietary magazines.

Now if more companies would make pistols chambered in 30SC that use double stack magazines, then I might be interested in one. For me there really isn't a point to having a single stack chambered in 30SC as you will only gain 1 to 2 more rounds versus 9mm.
 
With all the different firearm designs and the hundreds, maybe thousands, of different cartridges out there it is tough to build a “better mousetrap” these days.

30 Super Carry looks like an interesting round but without a gun designed to optimize its capability, it will probably go no where.

In todays economic environment, companies aren’t willing to bet the farm on new ammunition and a new gun design to go with it. If it fails, the stock holders will be upset (a stronger expletive was avoided).

Having said all that, I’d love to have an 1911 30 Super Carry. The one that is out there is a bit more expensive than I care for.

But, I’m an 1911 nut.
 
Using double stack magazines is where one will see a greater increase in capacity. Take a Glock G19 mag that holds 15 9mm rounds and it will hold 19 30SC rounds without modification to the follower. A slight change to the follower will probably allow 20 rounds to fit. With a standard G43 magazine, you only gain 1 round with 30SC versus 9mm. And with a single stack 10 round 1911 9mm magazine you are only gaining 2 more rounds with 30SC
 
cfullgraf said:
In todays economic environment, companies aren’t willing to bet the farm on new ammunition and a new gun design to go with it. If it fails, the stock holders will be upset (a stronger expletive was avoided).
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The only caliber that this doesn't apply to is 5.7 and apparently the 5.7's that several companies have released are selling, even tho the ammunition is very expensive and difficult to obtain.

SterlingBullet said:
More expensive than 9mm.
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What isn't? This is the arguement against practically every handgun caliber smaller than 10mm and the only two that have bucked that trend have been 5.7 and .380.

If people want the advantages a different caliber offers, they have to pay more and that is generally when the idea hits a brick wall.

People were actually asking for an enhanced 8mm semi auto caliber, but they were figuring on more than 2 rds in a magazine. Until that happens, I don't see people buying .30 Super until there's another panic and 9mm disappears.
 
I was pretty vocal about my feeling on this new cartridge when it was released. It had potential if someone would have been willing to design a new firearm around it. The magazine really needs to be a double stack and double feed design to really get the capacity advantage. Single stack its pointless. Might as well just take the 7.62x25 and build off that. Its also too powerful to work into small pocket 380acp design so not much good there. It basically fits no niche the way they introduced it to the public. Would be a neat chambering in something like the old AMT Automag 2 6" barreled version but that design has been abandoned.

Im surprised Kellgren didnt do something with it in the new P15 pistols because he knows how to work a double feed magazine into a pistol design as well as anyone. That pistol has some barrel length and proportion wise would be tailor made for something like the 30 super "in theory". Double feed magazine I could see him getting the capactity up to around 20rds. Would have made for quite a bit of firepower in such a small, thin, and light package and Kellgren is into that sort of thing. My hunch is he wasnt very impressed by the 30 super and didnt want to waste the effort for a cartridge that was DOA.
 
dickydalton said:
Well, I'm a little bi483 and am still enjoying shooting my S&W Shield Plus. I also carry it at times and like having 16+ in a small package. Now, you haters can just run along now, as long as I have the American right to choose!
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Nothing wrong with that just keep stocking up on the ammo while you can. I hate seeing cartridges die off and people having to pay crazy prices for ammo. 41AE comes to mind. Federal should be making it for a while though. You never know.. it may end up catching on eventually. Im surprised we are not seeing conversion units for all these new modular designs. Seems like that would be one of the easier ways for manufacturers to dip their toes in without a whole lot of risk.
 
starling said:
I was pretty vocal about my feeling on this new cartridge when it was released. It had potential if someone would have been willing to design a new firearm around it. The magazine really needs to be a double stack and double feed design to really get the capacity advantage. Single stack its pointless. Might as well just take the 7.62x25 and build off that. Its also too powerful to work into small pocket 380acp design so not much good there. It basically fits no niche the way they introduced it to the public. Would be a neat chambering in something like the old AMT Automag 2 6" barreled version but that design has been abandoned.

Im surprised Kellgren didnt do something with it in the new P15 pistols because he knows how to work a double feed magazine into a pistol design as well as anyone. That pistol has some barrel length and proportion wise would be tailor made for something like the 30 super "in theory". Double feed magazine I could see him getting the capactity up to around 20rds. Would have made for quite a bit of firepower in such a small, thin, and light package and Kellgren is into that sort of thing. My hunch is he wasnt very impressed by the 30 super and didnt want to waste the effort for a cartridge that was DOA.
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Do you think the Shield is a single stack magazine?
 
starling said:
Nothing wrong with that just keep stocking up on the ammo while you can. I hate seeing cartridges die off and people having to pay crazy prices for ammo. 41AE comes to mind. Federal should be making it for a while though. You never know.. it may end up catching on eventually. Im surprised we are not seeing conversion units for all these new modular designs. Seems like that would be one of the easier ways for manufacturers to dip their toes in without a whole lot of risk.
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Some people make ammunition and don't stock up at the store all the time.
 
It'll be popular when manufacturers start building guns to the slimness the cartridge will allow; up until now we've only gotten the equivalent of 9MM pistols based on .40 designs.

A pistol that is 1/8" thinner than a 9MM could be would be pretty interesting, IMHO.

Larry
 
starling said:
LOL sorry I was in another thread. Well the shield is kinda both being those half assed bottle neck magazines (which Im not a fan of). A true double stack double feed design would have likely gotten the capacity up to 19-20 rounds but S&W was lazy
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Nice double-speak. Carry On.
 
I’m one of the few who have/own, shoot, and reload for a .30SC.
I’m VERY fond of mine!
It’s everything S&W touted it to be, and is profoundly accurate! The photo in my avatar is proof of how it performs. It gets 1,200fps with the Federal 100gr HST and shoots 1” 5-shot groups at 25yds. I fired 10rds, First 5- grouped as shown by the calipers. The two in the 1”square of black tape were using a different sight picture.

The little gun is amazing. 9mm power with .380 recoil. Shoots flat and is light.
I worked up data absent of published data, that now mirrors what Hodgdons published. With standard small pistol primers, I attained “start” level loads. Hodgdons used small rifle primers. I’ve affirmed what H- attained using SRP’s and LongShot. 1,300fps with a NOE 102gr SWC. 1,150fps with a Lee 113gr RFN-GC. Not bad for a 3-3/4” barrel…
It’ll do!

Consider that it took the 6.5Creedmoor 15yrs to reach its current popularity.
The 10mm has taken nearly 40yrs for current popularity.
I remember how the .45 fans “pooh-poohed” the 10mm when it came along…
Now it’s the wunder-9 fan’s turn.
I’m rather hoping it turns out like the .356TSW. My Super “9” is a high end collectors item now… (5906 single action with adjustable sight, 3-barrels; 9x19, 9x21, and .356TSW). Last one that sold on GB went for over $3,000.
 
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