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Most 1911 for the money

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I'm backing a dark horse-

The Kahr/Auto Ordinance Thompson Custom:

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1TH_c.html

The fit and finish is flawless, the function superb (Mine is 11k+ rds todate without a hiccup), the customer service is awesome. It's got all the right stuff, and it's shiney.

hard to find, but right around US$700.00
 
I cannot believe that people are recommending the Ruger 1911. I have to ask how many of the people recommending it actually own the pistol, have shot the pistol or even held one. The Ruger may end up being a great 1911 but at this stage I am not sure we can make a call it.
This one right here. How many rounds does it take?
 
I have 4 high end 1911’s and last year I got a Sig for about $950. It is a lot of gun for the money. Great quality and finish ,front strap checkering. Good trigger.
 
Of all the 1911's I have shot or owned to date the two that were the best "bargains" were a Kimber TLE RL II that I picked up for $890 new back when they first came out, (I think they are around $1200 now), and a Rock Island Armory piece my brother still uses (I got it for him for about $390). I have had better accuracy from more expensive pieces, but both of those proved accurate and reliable beyond their prices.

If bang for buck was my goal, a RIA would be on the list. I am getting the one back from my brother this weekend and hopefully it will still shoot right with my friends' Kimbers like it used to (I don't have mine anymore). I will see in a day or so.

If all out was my goal, I would look to save for the Kimber. It is better than the RIA, Colts, Springfields, or any other that I have had any experience with. I can't speak for the Ruger though as I have yet to see one and wouldn't shoot one if I was offered (personal reason and not the company's fault at all). I doubt there are many who can actually shoot as well as a Kimber can (actually I doubt many could shoot as good as any gun can), so going more expensive is generally a preference not a need.

Just my .02.
 
I'm new to the 1911 world but with my Ruger SR1911 I'm wondering why I did not buy one
before... Oh, yea, price or not American made or bad rap..
The SR1911 is a great shooter right out of the box and for less then $800.00!
Arizonan/American Made.

Lateck,
 
Time for some pics. S&W E-Series, $741. American made, forged frame, SS, accurate and dependable.

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Don't know why people who have no interest in 1911s feel the need to interject uninformed opinion into an otherwise civil discussion. MillerTyme, you'll be glad to know that JMB spent nearly as many years perfecting the design as Glocks (or whatever you're touting) have been around. The March trials of 1911 saw 6,000 rounds fired through a preproduction model with zero malfunctions. That means no "ammo related", "shooter error", "bad batch of primers" excuses. Plenty of 1911 manufacturers make reliable pistols for well under $1500 and some do not. You don't hear us suggesting all polymer pistols are as cheap feeling as High Points or judging every revolver by Chiappa standards. Try to keep to The High Road.
 
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If you really want the most 1911 for $800 then it is hard to beat buying TWO ATI FX45's! Very nice, quality feeling guns and they seem to get good reviews. They also have a railed and optioned out version called the Thunderbolt. Not sure how much that one goes for though. Aside from those, go for the Ruger or wait till Ruger comes out with more variations that may suit your desires.
 
Skylerbone,

I actually agree with your post as well as the posts of the other members who mentioned reasonably well-priced pistols (S&W E-series, SA, Ruger, etc). I'm not a Glock fan, let alone polymer-pistol fan. My comment was directed at the people who claim the 1911 to be the best platform out there but that one must spend over $1500 to obtain the benefits of it. FWIW, Glocks have been around for 30 years. JMB died in 1926 so I doubt he spent thirty years perfecting the 1911.

I would give a whole-hearted vote for the Ruger SR1911 or the SW E-Series. For what those pistols offer in their price ranges, especially with Ruger's CS, I don't think a guy could go wrong. And either of those pistols would do everything their $1500 counterparts do for 95% of the people who own the more expensive models. One of the older Colt's would likely do as well, but without some of the preferred options, like beavertail safeties and Heine or Novak sights.
 
The 1911's predecessor began life in 1898. Many revisions later it became the Model of 1911.

Sorry for the miscommunication on what you wrote, perhaps I took it the wrong way.

As for the ATI suggestion I handled the Thunderbolt and it was very well fit (externally) but as it was a gun show I could not delve deeper. They are imported from the PI (SAM) with considerable manufacturing experience behind them but at the $750 asking price (again, gun show) I had to pass. Saw them online for $680 but again had to pass. A forged Sig with match barrel, rail and night sights is a tad over $800 and is a known quantity. While the ATI is clearly less expensive, I feel the value added in the Sig is well worth it. The standard GFX45 does seem like a good value if the OP wants a GI style 1911. All depends on the intended purpose.
 
Pretty pathetic if you have to spend over $1500 to get a decent 1911. Makes it look like less of the "optimal" platform to me if it can't be had with the same level of accuracy and reliability as a gun under $1000.

My comment was directed at the people who claim the 1911 to be the best platform out there but that one must spend over $1500 to obtain the benefits of it.


I don't think anyone here has said that you have to spend $1500 to get a decent 1911.

1911's are like any niche item, you can take it to the most extremes and gradually you get less bang for your buck trying to squeeze that extra 1-2% worth of performance out of it.

With that said there are a lot of us who appreciate those finer touches and take pride in owning a 1911 that is tuned to perfection. Why some people think that's not okay is a mystery to me.

I have 1911's that range from $600 to $1600 and I love them all but there's definitely a difference and you can almost line them up in order of what I paid for each in terms of overall fit and finish and performance.

I can get 90% of a corvette by buying a Mustang GT but there's still no comparison. (other than a bunch of Mustang owners knocking Vette owners for spending so much)
 
To me, part of the attraction of the 1911, in original form, is the ability to detail strip it using a cartridge rim, and the parts of the gun itself. I rarely detail strip my 1911s, but I do like to do a detailed cleaning of the extractor after every few range trips. This, to me, is where the internal extractor shines. I can remove it after using a simple punch (or even small hex key or screwdriver in a pinch) to remove the firing pin stop and gain access. The S&Ws and SIGs with their external extractors are well liked, but they require special tools to take down -I'll stick with my internal extractors. That's just an observation from a young curmudgeon in training ;) .
 
My comment was directed at the people who claim the 1911 to be the best platform out there but that one must spend over $1500 to obtain the benefits of it. FWIW, Glocks have been around for 30 years. JMB died in 1926 so I doubt he spent thirty years perfecting the 1911.

I would give a whole-hearted vote for the Ruger SR1911 or the SW E-Series. For what those pistols offer in their price ranges, especially with Ruger's CS, I don't think a guy could go wrong. And either of those pistols would do everything their $1500 counterparts do for 95% of the people who own the more expensive models. One of the older Colt's would likely do as well, but without some of the preferred options, like beavertail safeties and Heine or Novak sights.

People too often equate value with the lowest price point. This is why people are suggesting guns like ATI. People think that the best value or the most for their money is directly related to the the lowest price point. There is nothing wrong with a low end RIA or ATI 1911 but they are what they.

IMHO they do not represent the best value or the most for your money. I personally think that Colt, Dan Wesson and Les Baer do.

Colts start at about $700 to $750 NIB if you buy smart. You can take that Colt out shoot a few thousand round through it and sell it for what you have in it. If you took care of it and did not abuse it.

The same thing can be said of a Dan Wesson. They used to be a steal when you could get a CBOB for about $900. If you were lucky enough to know who Bob Serva and Dan Wesson was back then you have a gun that cost less than $1000 but you could sell used today for about $1100. I paid $700 for a LNIB one years ago. It has thousands upon thousands of round through it and the only thing I have needed to replace is springs.

Les Baers to me represent the entry point into semi-custom no frills combat 1911s. They are an incredible value when you consider the time and materials that go into them. They are not cheap but they are what they are which is a tight, accurate, long lasting workhorse of a 1911 and you will have to spend almost 30% more to get to a Wilson or Ed Brown to get better.

This does not mean you cannot get a lot out of lower end 1911s. If you are only shooting a few hundred rounds a year any 1911 will do. I think that when you get to this level not only do they hold up, shoot well, shoot accurately but they also hold their value. The lower end guns do not. In the case of Colt & DW they sometimes even go up even if you shoot them. That IMHO is value and getting the most for your money.

I could sell my DW for $1000 today which would have netted me $300 + over 4 years of shooting..... :)

YMMV
 
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Yeah, external extractors are horrible! I can't tell you how many Glock, H&K, Sig, Kahr and S&W guys I hear praying their favorite G17 or P220 will soon get a self rescue internal extractor soon. Then they can fit a spare, stick it in their pocket and ask for a time out to field strip while the bad guy waits.

Unless you know how to adjust that internal extractor and are somewhere that doesn't matter (the range) a stoppage is still a stoppage. That's when the back up comes out.

Nothing is 100% indefinitely. When properly implemented as Smith and Sig have, they are very reliable.
 
Yeah, external extractors are horrible! I can't tell you how many Glock, H&K, Sig, Kahr and S&W guys I hear praying their favorite G17 or P220 will soon get a self rescue internal extractor soon. Then they can fit a spare, stick it in their pocket and ask for a time out to field strip while the bad guy waits.
I never said anything about fitting a new extractor in a firefight. My comments were about the IE preference for my post range cleaning routine. You're putting words in my mouth.
Unless you know how to adjust that internal extractor and are somewhere that doesn't matter (the range) a stoppage is still a stoppage. That's when the back up comes out.
No kidding. I would never have thought of that. Again, quit putting words in my mouth, unless you can show where I said anything about changing extractors in a firefight.
Nothing is 100% indefinitely. When properly implemented as Smith and Sig have, they are very reliable.
Again, you're putting words in my mouth. Where did I say external extractors aren't reliable? That's right I never said they aren't reliable.

However, since you're in a defensive mood would you care to explain why S&W machines out the slots for the Swarz safety in all their frames. Why do they put an unnecessary gap in the inside of the frame on the E-series guns?
 
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