CT resident hi-cap magazine registration form

The new laws here are over the top...please do not forget to register all your "assault" weapons, too, including any pistol with a threaded barrel.

I wonder how many CT residents will not register their stuff...

I can say for one I'm not complying with any of that.... Because I voted with my feet to a free state!

Here's a link to the official FAQ re: the above http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/faqs_06192013.pdf

CT made all who wish to purchase pistols, long guns, ammo, or magazines buy a permit. They know where you live. Since they have that info, would have been nice if they had mailed a reminder to them.

But you are correct, there is nothing yet from the state in any media warning people of this deadline. The registration form for "assault" weapons, depending on your paperwork, may require notarization, but they are not giving people adequate notice.

Forms have to be filled out and mailed in. Would have been nice to be able to do this online. I intend to send my forms in via Priority Mail so I have a record of it being mailed and delivered.

All good questions. I will say, what we all know, which is that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. So the CT gov't not putting out word about the new laws through news networks etc... is not going to help anyone get out of a criminal charge.

I recently sold my M&P9 so that I would not have to register the 17 round mags, and bought a 1911 instead. I figured if I was limited to 10 rounds anyway, I just couldn't see owning a gun set up for 17 and losing something like 40% of my capacity. Might as well have something which is under 10 rounds at full cap and bump up to .45acp.

I wonder how well the CT po-po is going to enforce these stupid laws...

I also intend to get everything notarized. Will not give them any reason to declare me in non-compliance. Some applications require you to include two thumb prints. Looks like a visit to my local PD will also be required.

Re: loss of magazine capacity, for what it's worth, you are permitted to load magazines to full capacity at home and at a range.

The ignorance and backwardness of all that is just staggering. Spending all this money and manpower on little pieces of plastic.

A question I brought up during Colorado's ban; in the case of say a PMAG, is there a law prohibiting you from scratching off the date stamp? If not, and all your PMAGs had them scratched off because you like the look couldn't you register that? And then if the date is scratched off, how would they ever distinguish one from another?

Well those not registered become illegal and they will punish people found in non compliance.
At some point in the future they may outlaw them altogether and come collect those registered or send a notice to the citizen similar to those being sent by NYC to owners of guns that can hold too many rounds to turn in the gun or provide proof it doesn't exist.


Such non compliance in far gone jurisdictions with far gone judges may be considered probable cause for judges to sign off on warrants if they later decide to ban or further restrict what people register.
They know the person had it for they registered and declared so, and there is a good chance they may still have it in violation of future statute.
Letting a team of law enforcement search your home to see if you still possess magazines they told you to turn over, are registered to you, and for which you failed to provide what they consider adequate proof of no longer possessing.

Read about what's happening to (formerly) legal arms in NYC and decide if registration is a good choice, or a bad one.


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You Can Fingerprint Yourself - Several Other Tips

1. Forms

You can fill them out online by typing then print the pages when you are done. For the magazine forms if you need more than one page you are going to have to do each page separately. There is no 'save' function.

You can fingerprint yourself using a stamp pad. Just be sure to roll completely from left to right. The State Police instructions (copied below) specifically say this is ok.

2. Notarization

a. For weapons registration make sure you put thumbprint on each form first.

b. For both weapons and magazines DON'T SIGN the letters or the forms until you are in the presence of the notary.

c. I have the notary notarized each page of each form, including the letter with the 'sworn statement'. This should include their raised seal and their signature as well as their 'my commission expires' stamp on each page.

d. I used a separate letter on my letterhead with the sworn statement. I copied the language exactly from the forms. For the magazines, it was the date but note that for the weapons you also have to say that they were possessed by the date AND that they were bought in compliance with all state and federal laws.

3. Make a copy of everything after it is notarized.

4. Send everything Certified Mail, Return Receipt requested. Worst case they somehow lose your forms, you have the Certified Mail that it was delivered by the date and the Return Receipt card.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=530224&A=4213

Magazines

You must declare your magazine(s) prior to January 1, 2014. Any application received after that date will be returned unless post marked on December 31,2013.

Please fill out Declaration and if available, attach copy of original sales receipt describing your purchase prior to effective date of Public Act-13-3 as amended by Public Act 13-220. If you do not have your original paperwork, you may compose an affidavit/statement, stating that you owned the magazine(s) prior to the effective date of Public Act 13-3 as amended by PA-13-220, and have the affidavit notarized prior to mailing or dropping it off at the Special Licensing and Firearms Unit office. Please make sure that you sign your paperwork in front of the notary.

"Assault Weapons"

You must apply for a certificate of possession prior to January 1, 2014. Any application received after that date will be returned unless post marked on or before December 31,2013. Please fill out both halves of the form completely and legibly. You may apply your own thumbprint to the form and sign the form in the presence of a notary. An additional notarized affidavit/statement will be needed if you do not have the original sale receipt or DPS-3-C showing the date of possession/purchase prior to the law taking effect. Please have forms notarized prior to mailing or dropping them off at the Special Licensing and Firearms Unit office.

The registration isn't for now, it's for later. How much later? Probably the next tragedy. Then they'll use the registration information previously collected to stop by your house for a visit, a short chat, and seizure of your contraband.

Can't happen?

NYPD cracks down on long guns that hold more than five rounds

The New York City Police Department is taking aim at owners of shotguns and rifles capable of holding more than five rounds, demanding such guns be surrendered, altered or taken out of the city. SNIP

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Admittedly, that doesn't help you much. Your choices are emigrate to a free state, or start forgoing vacations and other luxuries to spend the money on fighting. That is if you are not willing to just let it all happen.

"You can fingerprint yourself using a stamp pad. Just be sure to roll completely from left to right."

Just curious, where does it say fingerprints must be rolled? When printed for sending to FBI, some prints are rolled, some are just stamped down.

I used a regular stamp pad at the bank where I had the forms notarized, and just stamped my print down. I don't think they're going to expect citizens to roll prints. Way too easy to make mistakes, smudge, etc.

For what it's worth, Purell did a decent job of removing most of the stamp pad ink at the bank.

Rolled Fingerprints - My Idea not CSP

It doesn't anywhere say in the CT SP material that fingerprints have to be 'rolled';you are correct.

I simply thought that if I 'rolled' them it would be more likely to be accepted. By 'rolled' I mean that one starts on the edge of the finger and rolls it from left to right to the other edge of the finger. This is the way the police have done it when I have had to had fingerprints taken for CCW licenses.

Agreed, it's a preferred print, but if they don't ask for it.......

I was a peace officer for 40 years, a lot of cops can't even do a good rolled print.

Again, when they take your prints for FBI cards, and all prints, i.e. CCW copies, have to be sent to FBI, they take both, rolled and flat. Thumbs flat separately, and 4 fingers together flat.

I refuse to register anything; however, all of my property that is effected by the new laws has gone to stay with my best friend in New Hampshire until such time as the law is repealed or I get the heck out of Connecticut.

It is annoying to be limited to ten rounds, especially with a pistol like my Beretta 92FS, but which is more likely: that CT will indeed ban and confiscate the registered items, or that I'll be in a firefight so intense that I don't have the time or opportunity to swap mags after the first eleven rounds?

What if I were to fill out say 15-20 of these forms and send them in? Give the name Heywood Jablowme, and just made up a number of items to register? It would muddy the waters, and tie up the process, and since I don't live in CT and wouldn't go there if they were holding my mother hostage, I don't think they could do anything to me.... Does anyone have any thoughts on throwing a few monkey wrenches into the works?

freyasman said:

What if I were to fill out say 15-20 of these forms and send them in? Give the name Heywood Jablowme, and just made up a number of items to register? It would muddy the waters, and tie up the process, and since I don't live in CT and wouldn't go there if they were holding my mother hostage, I don't think they could do anything to me.... Does anyone have any thoughts on throwing a few monkey wrenches into the works?

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I'm sure there is some law in CT about filing a false report, or perjuring yourself on a state form that could make your life miserable (and expensive) for a few years at least.

Speedo 66 said:

"You can fingerprint yourself using a stamp pad. Just be sure to roll completely from left to right."

Just curious, where does it say fingerprints must be rolled? When printed for sending to FBI, some prints are rolled, some are just stamped down.

I used a regular stamp pad at the bank where I had the forms notarized, and just stamped my print down. I don't think they're going to expect citizens to roll prints. Way too easy to make mistakes, smudge, etc.

For what it's worth, Purell did a decent job of removing most of the stamp pad ink at the bank.

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FWIW - A proper fingerprint is rolled from nail edge to nail edge. The impression you make just by "pressing down" is known as a "Plan view" or a "slap"

Plan views usually don't show the two important parts of the print; the core and the delta. These two aspects of a print is what is used to classify the print.

Seems to me that any government that wants to fingerprint people over ammo magazines, would jump at the opportunity to reject bad prints.

BTW, I did NOT stay at a Holiday Inn last night, I am a LE fingerprint analyst.

The thumbprint being referred to is required on the form to register an "assault weapon", not required for magazine registration.

Their definition of things required to be registered as such include all the usual "bad" features, i.e., pistol grip, flash hider, etc. In breaking new ground, they also include threaded barrels, and pistols where a detachable magazine goes in a place other than the grip, and long guns of less than a certain length.

I'd go back and reread the statute for others, but why upset myself?

But since I'm not a resident of CT, and I don't live or travel there, what are the odds of them actually being able to do anything to me? Anyone know?

Speedo66 said:

The thumbprint being referred to is required on the form to register an "assault weapon", not required for magazine registration.

Their definition of things required to be registered as such include all the usual "bad" features, i.e., pistol grip, flash hider, etc. In breaking new ground, they also include threaded barrels, and pistols where a detachable magazine goes in a place other than the grip, and long guns of less than a certain length.

I'd go back and reread the statute for others, but why upset myself?

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Ahh, the dreaded Broomstick Mauser.

First, condolences to those of you having to deal with this. I was blessed enough to be offered an opportunity to flee to a free state many years ago, and am very grateful that my family is safe out here in America, at least for the time being. I realize moving can be very a difficult choice entailing sacrifices, and realize it's not the best solution for everyone. Hang in there!


I'm sure there is some law in CT about filing a false report, or perjuring yourself on a state form that could make your life miserable (and expensive) for a few years at least.

What if those of us in free states registered our mags w/ Conneticut (New York, etc) "just in case" we ever decide to move there? I'd probably forget the fingerprint part, but if everything else is correct there probably wouldn't be a crime? I miss the fall colors "back east" and my wife is pretty disgusted that our outdoor thermometer has seemed to forget about the positive numbers lately. It's "possible" we might move back east, maybe I better register my mags just in case?

freyasman said:

But since I'm not a resident of CT, and I don't live or travel there, what are the odds of them actually being able to do anything to me? Anyone know?

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Well then, go ahead and file 10 or 15 of those forms and let us know how it works out.