Wal-Mart CCW Posting in Illinois

Nothing to worry about. That sign says only Berretta 92FS and Taurus beretta clones are banned.

mrdeltoid said:

Nothing to worry about. That sign says only Berretta 92FS and Taurus beretta clones are banned.

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Good one.

That is a strange directive!

mrdeltoid said:

Nothing to worry about. That sign says only Berretta 92FS and Taurus beretta clones are banned.

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Like the race guns in Arizona.

clearly an internal affair

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Employees must wash hands and disarm before returning to work.

I'm glad you posted that picture, I saw the sign at my Wal-Mart and didn't bother reading the text. Saw the "no gun" thing and just made a poor assumption.

Just stop going to walmart i did!!!!!

Wow. Talk about paranoia on those local managers' part. I would think a simple, "You can't carry a gun while you are working" statement in the employee handbook would be sufficient. Wal Mart Corporate office should be notified of this - those local managers are looking like idiots.

Trent said:

It is not a legal sign per ISP specs, and shouldn't carry force of law, as it's modified from the official approved signage in to a non-conforming form.

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As they are not attempting to post the area off limits it doesn't matter if it is a legal sign. As far as I know a business can enforce such a policy against employees simply as a condition of employment.

I think your first part is correct

They're incredibly clever, over at Wal-mart. This sign makes their store appear to be posted, so the anti-gunners can shop in ignorant bliss, while pro-gunners who actually bother to walk up and read the sign will know it's OK to go in with a gun.

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I just noticed something interesting about that sign. Is that a copyright notice in the bottom right hand corner?

Trent writes:

On a slightly unrelated note; I want to print up some business cards later this month to hand out to my concealed carry students for establishments that voluntarily post as gun free zones. (Obviously many are required by law to do so in IL, but I want to make a point to business owners that doing so voluntarily will cost them money.)

Any suggestions for phrasing?

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They have the "no guns = no money" cards over on handgunlaw.us, and don't mind if you print and distribute.

There's a link here:

http://www.ctrguns.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/08/no_guns_no_money.pdf

Although you did not post it for me, thanks for that link.

1½ of those bullet points are not accurate in reference to my situation (fingerprints on-file & mandatory training), so I will redo that page prior to printing ... then again, maybe I will just print them, as is.

most of our taverns have signs that say "It is illegal to consume alcohol while possessing a firearm " with the red circle and line through a handgun , if you don't read it you would think that the bar has band CCW in there place of business. and the anti's are happy to see the red circle around a gun LOL... I think that what Walmart is doing too

I think it's a nod to CC folks, in a sly way.

When I became a Sam's Club employee several years ago I questioned the HR person about concealed carry and was told it was a violation of the WalMart Anti-violence policy to bring a firearm to work, even if left in the car. One may not bring a knife with a blade longer than 4" as well. Only WalMart approved box cutters are allowed.

That being said, no one goes around checking for knives or firearms either on the person or in an employees car. Once the general assembly passes a law that allows keeping a weapon in a car WalMart will comply, as they have done in other states. One of the associates in our store carrys a Gerber folding knife with a 6 inch blade which he uses to cut signs, twine, or whatever needs cutting. He is one of the most knowledgable employees in his area. No one gives him a second thought regarding the policy.

I caught one of these in Freeport, IL and brought it to the attention of the (very good) gun counter employee. My thought was that it would, to the average anti, signal the gun-free zone 'warm fuzzy' or whatever bizarre emotions such sad persons feel despite the fact it does not impact CCW apart from on-duty vendors and staff. And to the gun nuts such as us, who will read and fully comprehend the sign, we receive the message that no CCW prohibition is in place.

In addition, the employee informed me the parking lot weapon prohibition (for staff) is not longer in force in Illinois owing to the CCW law.

Trent said:

Precisely right, NavyLCDR.

There is no reason for them to post this publicly - it is an internal matter.

Wal-Mart is known for being pro-Gun. (They're one of the nations largest, if not THE largest, FFL, by volume).

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Not necessarily true. If you'll notice it said "vendors" too. Wal-Mart has probably 50 or so outside companies that service and merchandise various departments of the store. They may visit a store weekly, or daily, or monthly. But there is no central way for a Wal-Mart store to inform them of new Wal-Mart policies short of having it posted at the service desk were most sign in.

That's a good chuckle. I worked for WM for over 18 years, and twice had lunatics threaten to kill me. I had an electronics laboratory in two stores and worked on mainly computers and home entertainment products. My own offices, so wasn't micromanaged by staff.

I had an enlightened conversation with WM legal department after the 2nd threat, and was told to do whatever I needed to feel safe, while employed by WM. That covers a lot of ground, and I wonder to this day if a situation arose I had to use lethal force, if they would even acknowledge they ever said that to me. Should have had a recorder in hindsight.

Anyway, I'm retired from there, and quite frankly am loving being around sane people for a change.

Nothing to worry about. That sign says only Berretta 92FS and Taurus beretta clones are banned.

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Pulled this photo off the Internet:

Personally, I would say that it’s Wal-Marts way of saying firearms in possession of the general public are not prohibited without actually saying CCW holders welcome.

That's a new one and I believe that kind of sign is up to the store Manger so we will see how long it lasts