haiauphixu
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Mine was sent to Remington last June, and that was a big mistake, I never heard a thing about it since. Anyone ever get their replacement?
Where are the Remington R 51 ?
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Tommygunn
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This question has popped up before and the threads for it are no doubt buried.
Remington has moved it's production facility to Alabama from Ilion NY.
I sent my R51 back nearly a year ago and still expect a few more months of waiting.
I hear they are passing out R1s to people who are impatient (that is a .45 caliber 1911 handgun). You may decide to go that route.
Remington has moved it's production facility to Alabama from Ilion NY.
I sent my R51 back nearly a year ago and still expect a few more months of waiting.
I hear they are passing out R1s to people who are impatient (that is a .45 caliber 1911 handgun). You may decide to go that route.
Zendude
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Production is supposed to start this month, but take that with a grain of salt
1SOW
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OOPS.
1SOW
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When I finally got my refund, I decided Remington wasn't someone I wanted to deal with.
It took a "YEAR" to get the refund, and 90+% of the time I couldn't even get a response. When I did get a response, they said "WE (Remington) didn't really know" and would try to find out. Expect a response in two weeks.
Well the responses never came for that year.
I DID really like that R-51. It "should" have been a really great carry gun and even a fun range gun. It shot straight out to 25 yards with very little muzzle flip using several different SD and comp. rounds. The problems were not with the "basic design". They were with the slipshod manufacturing and complete lack of quality control.
It took a "YEAR" to get the refund, and 90+% of the time I couldn't even get a response. When I did get a response, they said "WE (Remington) didn't really know" and would try to find out. Expect a response in two weeks.
Well the responses never came for that year.
I DID really like that R-51. It "should" have been a really great carry gun and even a fun range gun. It shot straight out to 25 yards with very little muzzle flip using several different SD and comp. rounds. The problems were not with the "basic design". They were with the slipshod manufacturing and complete lack of quality control.
You could submit a consumer complaint with the FTC: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#crnt&panel1-1
45_auto
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moosie said:
Yeah, that ought to do it.
I'm can't imagine Remington having any attorneys of their own to threaten back, as well as file countersuits, delays, etc, etc, etc.
I was intrigued by this gun when it first came out, but I'm glad I never bought one.
Personally, had I bought one and had to return it, I would of taken the refund and ran to S&W for a Shield.
Even if they DO manage to come out with a working version of the R51, the damage to their reputation has been done. I still wouldn't touch one until it's been well proven reliable.
Personally, had I bought one and had to return it, I would of taken the refund and ran to S&W for a Shield.
Even if they DO manage to come out with a working version of the R51, the damage to their reputation has been done. I still wouldn't touch one until it's been well proven reliable.
jerkface11
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Do they even make a gun they haven't recalled recently?
R.W.Dale
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Why anyone considers Remington as a reputable gun maker in the 21'st century is beyond me.
IMO Taurus is doing a better job by far than big green. Do yourself a favor NEVER buy a Remington made after the 50's and you will not be missing anything in your shooting life but a bunch of angst and heartbreak
IMO Taurus is doing a better job by far than big green. Do yourself a favor NEVER buy a Remington made after the 50's and you will not be missing anything in your shooting life but a bunch of angst and heartbreak
jerkface11
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They forgot to ream chambers on some of them. I don't think you can blame that on robots.
Tommygunn
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People who like the idea/design of the gun and bought one in 2014 will "care" as it amounted to an investment of money. The gun had promise; it was very well designed ergonomically even though the interior needed work.
It could be a very viable pistol if Remington gets it right the 2nd time around. Atleast for me, if they manage to turn out a nice gun, no short chambers, nicer interior that doesn't look like Fred Flintstone chipped it out with a stone axe, I will consider it quit viable -- atleast for me.
I suppose you could argue about possible commercial success .... I think Remington could make it work but they CANNOT muck it this go-round -- or it WILL BE A FAILURE.
R.W.Dale
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You literally just described EVERY Remington product introduction of the last 30 years.
Why would you even suspect this one would be different
Tommygunn
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What part did I get right --- the part about screwing up the 1st time and fixing it the 2nd .... or do they just screw things up and let it fly?
A LOT of companies do screwy things that hurt them ....Colt catering to military contracts at the expense of civilian production ....Bill Ruger playing politics and agreeing to 10 rnd. magazine limits.
I may be a minority of 1 on this board but I like the R51 design and would like to see it work.
I also have two 870s --- one in 12 gauge recently made & it works great and one made in the '80s in 20gauge and it, too, works great.
Plus I have a .30-'06 Remmie 700 that is a pretty nice rifle .....
R.W.Dale
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That they pretty much screw the rollout up as royally as possible then hang the consumer out to dry.
Ahem 30rar
Ahem 30rar
barnbwt
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"I suppose you could argue about possible commercial success"
That's a foregone conclusion at this point, IMO. The only thing Remington could do stupider than its rollout of this thing, is to now throw a bunch of money at the project to get it rolling again for a bunch of jaded gun owners that will:
-Not trust it ever again, regardless (gas-delay had to wait 30 years after the Rogak before another company took a whack at it & scored a base hit)
-Be too timid to try a non-Browning tilt-barrel derivative (there are actually people still skeptical of the Beretta PX4 & MIM, believe it or not)
-Simply not take a shine to the pistol because of its layout (since it's not a Browning tilt-barrel design) or choice of control scheme
-Be unwilling to buy a pistol that isn't a clone of something they already own for more than 500$ (which is the market-study fact that trapped them in the first place)
What needs to happen is for Remington to either sell the design to a company like Taurus or Kel Tec who has both the means and fortitude to deliver a new product with some measure of competence, or go out of business themselves and be reorganized into something similar. Well, not "needs to" so much as "will." The action design will be attempted by an industry player again at some point, but not until patents expire again or it gets licensed. It's got too many advantages for a handgun design not to.
"some designs don't tradition well into big corporate MIM and robotics"
The MIM parts were actually among the better made aspects of the gun. The R51 is actually quite innovative in the extent it uses the technology (pretty much every moving part but the slide & frame are MIM). The feeds/speeds of the human operated machine tooling being pushed beyond the limits of an acceptable finish, and human maintained tooling being allowed to so badly dull & ruin precision operations like chambers has nothing to do with robotics. Or even management to a certain extent, in my opinion. As bad as those mean 'ol beancounting slavedrivers were, not one shop guy leaked word to the press or anyone that they were churning out garbage (that was potentially dangerous).
But that's what happens when you tell a factory staff they'll be laid off and maybe relocated after their current job. Putting a highly sensitive & difficult project in the hands of this factory was management's biggest error. You don't tell the pyramid builders they'll be staying permanently after completion, until the last brick is laid
TCB
That's a foregone conclusion at this point, IMO. The only thing Remington could do stupider than its rollout of this thing, is to now throw a bunch of money at the project to get it rolling again for a bunch of jaded gun owners that will:
-Not trust it ever again, regardless (gas-delay had to wait 30 years after the Rogak before another company took a whack at it & scored a base hit)
-Be too timid to try a non-Browning tilt-barrel derivative (there are actually people still skeptical of the Beretta PX4 & MIM, believe it or not)
-Simply not take a shine to the pistol because of its layout (since it's not a Browning tilt-barrel design) or choice of control scheme
-Be unwilling to buy a pistol that isn't a clone of something they already own for more than 500$ (which is the market-study fact that trapped them in the first place)
What needs to happen is for Remington to either sell the design to a company like Taurus or Kel Tec who has both the means and fortitude to deliver a new product with some measure of competence, or go out of business themselves and be reorganized into something similar. Well, not "needs to" so much as "will." The action design will be attempted by an industry player again at some point, but not until patents expire again or it gets licensed. It's got too many advantages for a handgun design not to.
"some designs don't tradition well into big corporate MIM and robotics"
The MIM parts were actually among the better made aspects of the gun. The R51 is actually quite innovative in the extent it uses the technology (pretty much every moving part but the slide & frame are MIM). The feeds/speeds of the human operated machine tooling being pushed beyond the limits of an acceptable finish, and human maintained tooling being allowed to so badly dull & ruin precision operations like chambers has nothing to do with robotics. Or even management to a certain extent, in my opinion. As bad as those mean 'ol beancounting slavedrivers were, not one shop guy leaked word to the press or anyone that they were churning out garbage (that was potentially dangerous).
But that's what happens when you tell a factory staff they'll be laid off and maybe relocated after their current job. Putting a highly sensitive & difficult project in the hands of this factory was management's biggest error. You don't tell the pyramid builders they'll be staying permanently after completion, until the last brick is laid
TCB
jerkface11
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A THR member has one with no slide serrations cut on it. They didn't screw up the design or the rollout. They forgot how to build a gun.
.45cultist
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M870's have been doggy too, cutting corners too much. I would love an original R51 .380.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Where are they.........
The scrap metal dumpster behind the factory-----of course
In fairness---my recent production 870's have been ok
The scrap metal dumpster behind the factory-----of course
In fairness---my recent production 870's have been ok
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