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A couple months back, I purchased a Glock 20 Gen4 to carry around on my hiking and backpacking adventures in SE KY (Natural Bridge, Red River Gorge, and Pine Mountain). I decided on the 180gr XTP as my projectile of choice, and did some load workup. I started at 9.2gr of 800-X and worked up .1gr at a time up to the max of 10.1gr, just to check for signs of pressure. All loads fed, fired, ejected, and grouped just fine, and showed no signs of over-pressure, so I loaded up 100 rounds at 10.1gr 800-X and did some chrono testing.
Note: 800-X meters like crap, so I set my Uniflow to throw light charges then trickled
Loads were tested using a stock length KKM drop in barrel

Load Data:
New nickel plated Starline brass
CCI LPP
10.1gr 800-X
180gr XTP
1.26" COL

Results:

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Averaged 1346.8 FPS and over 700 FPE. I call that good enough for woods carry.
 
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It's the Caldwell Precision app. My chrono came with a cord that goes from the chrono to my phone (via headphone jack) and it sends the data to the app.
 
Those are good #s :)

10.0gr behind a plated (apples to oranges) out of my G20 LW 5.15" only netted 1,274fps.
 
I was really surprised with the results. The Hornady manual said that data should result in 1250 FPS
 
I'm surprised as well.

I've topped out my plated load and am working up Montana Golds, guess I better add 180XTP to the mix :)
 
How's the accuracy of that load? I may have to try some 800x...

ETA: Looking at Hodgdon website - max for 800-x is 8.7gr for 180gr SIE JHP 1210fps. Did you find a different source for your starting info?
 
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Hodgdon lists 8.7 gr as being good for 1210 fps with a 180 gr out of a 5" barrel and also only 30,000 psi. Those velocities don't seem out of line to me for 10.1 gr.

I've always wondered that if you get velocities that are higher than what the manufacturer published for a given load (with all things being equal), are your pressures also higher...basically there are no free lunches. If the published loads are up against the max pressure... There's 800X and Longshot data that are a bit lower than the max for 10mm. I am wondering why they didn't go to 37.5 kpsi.

I've given up on 800X and gone to Longshot, Power Pistol, and Be86. The poor metering is not worth dealing with.
 
I got the data from my Hornady manual, it was also in the LoadBooks USA book for 10mm/40 S&W.
The accuracy was pretty good, I wasn't really trying to get great groups. Was worried more about not blowing myself up (hadn't done nuclear 10mm before), and checking for signs of pressure. I was able to keep rounds inside the 9 ring from 7 meters (again, can probably do better if I was focusing on it, will do that next time). I only use 800-X for 10mm, and it really seems to shine in that role. It meters like crap though. I'd get variances of a grain when throwing charges. You HAVE to weigh every single charge, especially when doing maximum loads like that
 
Dude if you are getting a 12 fps extreme spread from pistol handloads and getting over 1300 fps from a 180 XTP, don't change anything and load about 10000 of those :).

That load will handle anything you run across in Kentucky maybe even the lower 48, two or four legged, out to about 50 yards.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
To be honest, I only tested 5 rounds, so I'm not sure if those were just lucky and a tad hotter or what, but I do want to test some more. This time in addition to weighing every charge and getting it exact, I want to also measure each one as I seat it. What I normally do is get it set to where the first round is seated to the depth that I want, then just do the rest. I measure random rounds and have no more than .005" variance either way. I have 50 pieces of brass that are sized, belled, and primed. So what I'll do is make 50 more with the exact same data, but seat each round to precisely 1.26" and see if that extreme spread goes down any more. It'll be tedious and most likely a waste of time, but I'm taking Wednesday off anyway, so why not?
 
Before heading down that rabbit hole, I suggest reading up on exactly what it is you're trying to determine. Determining if the standard deviation has improved/changed with a reasonable amount of certainty takes many more rounds over the chronograph than most people realize. Mean is accurately estimated by a few shots. Standard deviation, not so much.

To get you started
https://www.shootingsoftware.com/ftp/Perverse Nature of SD.pdf
 
Thanks for the link! I'll give it a read later. It's mainly just because I can and am curious. There's a part of me that wonders if I got good velocity because the rounds I picked at random were a hair shorter than the 1.26" I was shooting for. Does .005" even make that big of a difference?
 
I have no first hand experience, but Hornady claims they're built for penetration and expansion, and I have read accounts online of people successfully using them while hunting. Whatever that is worth
 
XTPs get used for hunting all the time in both handguns and muzzle loaders. They're a known good bullet. Now, I don't know what happens if you exceed Hornady's recommend velocity. This almost certainly happens with muzzle loaders.
 
I tinkered with 800X, but I still just keep falling back on Longshot for this and several other high pressure cartridges, and really, there are few powders that can even get close to doing what Longshot does in this specific application.

That said, 800X is definitely one of the Longshot competitors, to which you've done a fine job of establishing here.

Thank you

GS
 
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