What's the next shoe to drop in Federal legislation?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: The vigilance that pro-2A people need to concern themselves with is not federal legislation, but state and local legislatures. If you live in a red state, the likely bills to get passed will be removing NFA items like SBS's, SBR's, machine guns, and suppressors from being banned in that state or bills to enact constitutional/permitless carry.

If you live in CA, CT, NY, NJ, MA, HI, RI, MD, or OR, you're in what I like to call the "Danger Zone." These states have a majority of Blue reps and can pass laws quickly even with a Republican Gov's veto to attempt to block anti gun laws. If you unfortunately live in one of these poopy states and there are introductions to diminish 2A, let everyone you know who is pro-2A, get rally's going, and make phone calls to your state rep. I don't like directing anyone to one site, but the best one that lists the activities pertaining to 2A going on in states is nraila.org. Stay informed thru them.

Then there's a third class of states I like to call "Borderline" states that are seemingly pro 2A, but could change very quickly in the elections next year. Among these are Virgina, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan.

In the "Borderline" states, you have the chance to not only keep your rights from being taken away, but increase them by electing the right people. In the "Danger Zone" states, they are so heavily Democrat and so horribly corrupt and gerrymandered that there's no hope in turning around laws already passed. The only thing that can be done there is to keep new ones from being passed.

ColoradoShooter77 said:

We taught them a lesson in Colorado, the author's of our idiotic gun control package back in 2013 were fired in a recall election, three Senators.

I doubt they will try it again.

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And what is the lesson of NY and CT? Numbers matter. Maybe not this year or next but the gun grabbers will try again in CO when their numbers are there and in case you haven't noticed the demographics, they are a changing.

huntsman said:

And what is the lesson of NY and CT? Numbers matter. Maybe not this year or next but the gun grabbers will try again in CO when their numbers are there and in case you haven't noticed the demographics, they are a changing.

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Yeah, CO is one of those Danger Zone states because the leftists escape there from California for lower taxes and weed. Sadly, they still keep their crazy progressive ideas and elect anti gun politicians.

Unless people in CO decide to state deporting new residents from CA, it's doomed.

BSA1 said:

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I expect Executive Orders / new regulations targeting ammunition (maybe 5.56 M-855 ammunition again), expanding background checks, limiting Speech on the Internet (this will be the nose of the camel under the tent). EPA is worth watching for more bans on lead ammunition and Park Service for restricting guns in national parks.

Importation of guns and foreign made ammunition is another easy target.

Obama has stated he intends to issue executive orders if Congress fails to pass gun control laws he wants.

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What exactly can Barry from Chicago do with his seemingly limitless executive powers? I know he laid the ban hammer down on Russian guns and ammo, and he's saying he will change the definition of who is "in the business of selling firearms," but what else can he do?

I don't see anything really on the Federal Level . I do see the proverbial 'shoe to drop' on the state level..more states will be passing Universal Background Checks because of Moms Demand Attention, Bloomberg and out of state big money has been so successful in pushing through UBC in Colorado, Washington State and Oregon. What state is next and how do we stop them?

It is good to be concerned about the Federal legislation as we should be, but lets not forget that the state level is where the anti's have had their most successes. We need to prevent UBC happening on the state level as well as the Federal level.
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Plus you have all those polls people cite that say something to the effect of "most gun owners actually support UBC laws." It's tough to get a true temperature sometimes and that's all I was trying to do here. Admittedly, I don't know what to believe anymore.

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It's more like most people support UBC's (>50%) and some gun owners do also. Most gun owners don't support UBC's (<50%), but when the minority vote with the non-gun owners for a UBC, you get a UBC.

"The only thing to fear, is fear itself"

FDR

Keep that in mind OP. If I were you, I'd buy what you want and buy it double time quick. I too feel that legislation is in the air. Hopefully there will be no more mass shooting to make a catalyst. I'm stocking up now, in anticipation. You and I, we'll be well prepared. Not sure of the others. But in the meantime, we can all chip in and VOTE VOTE VOTE to make the changes WE want!!

ColoradoShooter77 said:

If we could annex Denver out of Colorado, we'd be so much better off. Denver and surrounding area is a sea of blue, probably around 2 million people.

80% of the rest of the state is Red, but guess where all the votes are.

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Exactly, and the longer it stays that way, the more they will gerrymander the districts. Best bet for Colorado is to have the Eastern part join Kansas and the Western part join Utah. The I-25 Corridor can stay Colorado and be nicknamed "Cronic Highway."

TruthTellers,

Obama can get away with anything that Congress lets him. It is the responsibility of the Congress to pass laws limiting the power of the President. Sadly the Founder Fathers did not expect Congress to abograte their duty and become part of the corruption we now have.

Obama is especially dangerous right now he wants as he is mainly concerned about his legacy. Anything he does can not be overturned until after the elections so he can brag about how he did something he promised he would do.

BSA1 said:

Obama can get away with anything that Congress.lets.him. It is the responsibility of the Congress to pass laws limiting the power of the President. Sadly the Founder Fathers did not expect Congress to abograte their duty and become part of the corruption we now have.

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Seems to me that the Founding Fathers suspected that congress was just as likely to turn out to be power hungry as the executive branch, or else they wouldn't have put restrictions on their power. It is us, the average citizen, that have abrogated our responsibilities in keeping all three of the branches of the government in line.
However, back to the OP, I also don't see anything major likely to get passed at the federal level, but, as we have seen, perception is more powerful than reality, so really, who knows?

We taught them a lesson in Colorado, the author's of our idiotic gun control package back in 2013 were fired in a recall election, three Senators.

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Yep, two anti-gun CO senators were recalled and replaced by Republicans. Then the Republicans lost their seats to Democrats in the 2014 election.

Their passion for gun control cost the two their jobs by the fall of 2013 at the hands of a recall election, the first in the Centennial State’s history.

The pendulum has swung back this year and the two seats, occupied by Republicans George Rivera and Bernie Herpin, have once again gone blue.

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http://www.guns.com/2014/11/06/colorado-senate-gun-recall-seats-slide-back-to-Democrats/

Its just a matter of time, Colorado is going the way of California. That's a crying shame, because its an awesome place to live, as far as quality of life and recreational opportunities.

At the beginning of Hillary's second term look for 3 things. UBC; no more than 10 rounds capacity mags on all guns & a huge tax on ammo...
U don't believe me? I bet 10 years ago you wouldn't have believe the U.S. Would have a black, half-Muslim president who would cram Obamacare down your throats, did u?

I have come to the conclusion that shooters need to invest in a good press and learn how to reload. If it's not the panic buying that dries up ammo, it will be taxes that make it nigh impossible to shoot a gun. Of course, none of these things could come to pass in certain states, but in others they will eventually.

I do fully expect the congress to turn blue again and hold it until another progressive is elected president. You all know what will happen then.

It seems like most current gun control efforts are at the state level since there isn't enough steam to push anything through Congress.

At the federal level, it's going to be BATFE shenanigans through import restrictions, ammo restrictions, and indirect executive action.

The BATFE gets to decide what is sporting and non sporting, what is armor piercing, what is pistol ammo, and so on and so forth. The 7N6 ban, while entirely unsupportable, got through because Fudd's don't care about AK ammo. When AR ammo was targeted with the proposed M855 ban, people got upset. I have a feeling that we are going to see more ammo restrictions soon, and other sneaky things like the import barrel ban.

Indirect (or more direct) executive action is tricky. When Russia started trouble with Ukraine, it shouldn't have been surprising that Saiga's got banned, but you wouldn't have been able to guess before. It is interesting that Vepr's are getting through. Who knows what might happen next?

There has been a lot of talk about universal background checks, but I don't know if it's making any headway.

TruthTellers said:

I have come to the conclusion that shooters need to invest in a good press and learn how to reload. If it's not the panic buying that dries up ammo, it will be taxes that make it nigh impossible to shoot a gun. Of course, none of these things could come to pass in certain states, but in others they will eventually.

I do fully expect the congress to turn blue again and hold it until another progressive is elected president. You all know what will happen then.

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A pessimistic view of things to come. BUT a press is only good if two key pieces of reloading supplies are available: Primers and Powder. Bullets can be cast. But if guns are totally banned many years from now, necessity may drive innovation in the long run. Said differently, a non-typical source for primers and powder has not been needed. Until that need arises, they’ll not be one.

Maybe all that press (the paper kind, not the reloading kind) about ITAR months ago was introduced to keep folks from even taking about shooting even after the ammo, primers, bullets and powder shelves are all bare.

chuck

The next shoe to drop? My boot, into my congressional delegation's collective butts.

It surprises me how many gun owners on this board who seem to have given up.

There are people still fighting either via elections or the legal process or lobbying. If you can't stomach voting for an imperfect candidate, there are groups that could use your support via volunteering or money. Membership numbers and funding mean a lot when these groups go lobby the govt or enter the courtroom. If you can do nothing else, help them out.

As far as voting, I find it hard to believe you can't find someone down the ballot to support who has a chance of supporting your rights. There are also probably primary candidates you could vote for in your local primary election to give them a better shot at making the final ballot. Those sorts of numbers also get the attention of politicians.

If you give up completely, you are conceding the victory to the other side. We are not there yet. Part of the strategy of victory is to get the other side disheartened to the point they stop fighting. Don't let the anti's do that to you.

If you organize and show-up locally, most bills don't ever get out of committee. If you sit on your ass, the decision gets made for you.

It surprises me how many gun owners on this board who seem to have given up.

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I'm not sure that many have given up as we are having a pragmatic discussion of anti-gun actions Obama and Clinton are likely to take if possible.

What is really discouraging is how many gun owners say they will stay home and not vote rather than voting for the third political party that truly supports gun rights. If enough gun owners supported them it would be a major player in the elections.

SuperNaut said:

If you organize and show-up locally, most bills don't ever get out of committee. If you sit on your ass, the decision gets made for you.

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Methinks that it is worth mentioning that places like IL, MD, NJ, and CA are de facto single-party states. This means that only one political party controls government and holds effective power to the point where there is no effective opposition.

There are openly-democratic competitive elections and a few token members of an opposition party are tolerated.

Accordingly, it's not just a matter of voter apathy or indifference, it's an issue of playing with a deck heavily stacked in favor of the adversary.

I was under the impression that the majority of millennials opposed gun control.

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It kinda depends on the definition you use for that generation. Born in 1982, I'm a millennial by some accounts, tail end of Gen X by others. More accurate is probably the unofficial classification of "Oregon Trail Generation", which are those of us born between mid 70s and mid 80s, because we don't exactly fit in either of the other groups; we grew up with the traditional childhood of Gen X and earlier, yet before adulthood, segued into the technological revolution that defines millennials. And, I would wager that the figures for millennials may not look as promising without this sub-group, now dealing with only those ~25 and younger.

Of course, that will probably change a bit as the millennials age. College age kids tend to be far more idealistic and liberal, often with much nudging from professors. As they enter real adulthood, the years after college in the real world, views change.

What is really discouraging is how many gun owners say they will stay home and not vote rather than voting for the third political party that truly supports gun rights. If enough gun owners supported them it would be a major player in the elections.

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+1 I've been holding my nose and voting for what seems like ages but I'll still vote and I sleep well also.

I haven't really given up, just facing reality. Its hard to overcome a million Democrats in a 100 square mile area, around Denver. They own the legislature and drive the policy.

Its extremely difficult to oppose that demographic and win.