Guns and flying

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Oleg Volk

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Most people violate their own principles on a regular basis. Some do it for gain, others out of fear, most for the broadly defined "practical reasons". Air travel falls into that last category for me. Two hour sin the air and ninety minutes at the airport let me see family who live a day's drive away.

I sit at the airport now, wearing a cap with the most ironic words on it: "Molon lave" -- "Come and get them". The reference is to the 300 Spartans who wouldn't give up their arms when menaced by a superior Persian force. My arms are in checked luggage, and I feel dirty, like a prisoner doing the perp-walk in front of news cameras. The usual weight of the holstered sidearm is missing from my hip, an omission of which only I am cognizant. My backup pistol is so light that I don't even realize that it is also absent until my hand enters the pocket where that gun normally resides.

I don't even feel all that vulnerable. Of course, historic precedents are grim for those who had lost their arms. In 1945, most of the Polish soldiers who fought under British colors were disarmed under the pretense of getting re-equipped. The lot of them was then shipped to the Soviet gulags for extermination. Hopefully, at this stage, it wouldn't profit the US government to catch individuals at the airport despite the clear window of vulnerability. Such an action would likely rile up the victims' friends. Still, that condition of being disarmed and helpless is truly unpleasant. Three policemen, just coincidentally wearing brown shirts, walked past just now. They had pistols just like mine on their belts. I lacked even the means for dealing with a hangnail.

I've often told my foreign friends that Americans are relatively free people. I have to admit that we are also subject to the whims of government authority on a regular basis. truly, I should have worn another cap to the airport, the one which reads "Please don't hurt me. I am not armed" -- it would be more true to the reality.

Air travel used to be pleasant. Terrorism as far back as the 1970s made it a little dangerous, and government-designed security measures made the experience thoroughly unpleasant. Welcome to the steerage, enjoy your flight!
 
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I've often told my foreign friends that Americans are relatively free people. I have to admit that we are also subject to the whims of government authority on a regular basis.
I last flew commercial back in the early '90's, to Jamacia. I carried 2 knives on person, not a problem back then, but I still felt naked.

Our condo was burglarized, talk about feeling "helpless". I guess I must have done something right, the lady I was with wanted to go home - NOW! Security and I had hit it off upon arrival, he called a Jamacian policeman, and these folks were helpful. American Airlines had a flight in less than two hrs to the States. These two folks drove us to airport and made sure we were safe.
Same two folks that rushed the paperwork for the "reports" and worked with the case after we were home.

I never felt so good about seeing "American Citizens - Line Forms Here" at Miami Int'l. Once we got off Air Jamacia.

Now I had a right to feel helpless out of the country. I should not feel helpless in MY own country. Oleg- I empathize. One does not have to fly, one only has to live in the "wrong part of the legislative" US. Enter a Church, a Federal/State bldg...heck even a Ruby Tueday that sells alcohol and the "law" says no.

I felt vulnerable, I don't like to feel this way. I did not renew Passport. I have not flown commmercial. I have taken a short trip in private single engines, a helicopter...a crop duster. Local jaunts is all.

I drive, I use up time and gas, for long out of state trips. Makes me feel less vulnerable, and more in control. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. Oleg we both feel our Liberties have been stepped on and tossed aside.

I just have to "fly low" to keep some sense of Liberty.
 
I feel your pain. I fly quite a bit on, work related (IT) trips but the heat comes with me every time. I have been harassed (IE my baggage searched in a very messy and hap hazard manner, and just left alone to deal with the aftermath in full view of the public), patted down, locked in a "waiting" room (blew my all my overloads on that one), questioned in a none too friendly manner and generally forced to trust people that could care less about doing/knowing their job as to not getting in trouble. For this reason, I try my best to keep my situational awareness up a notch or two when not packing.
 
Yep it stinks how folks are treated. I like to make comments when in lines for (security) "Now I know how cattle feel, Hope they don't brand us," Lots of fun but as you said. 5hrs plane/ airport vs 30 hrs in car plus stops. :(
I am very tempted to do a road trip next time. Bad part is I have a free ticket after this trip so I might as well use it. Plus gas is $$$
 
dont worry oleg, its not 1945 and nobody is being exterminated ;).

and if something does go down just head to the restroom. im sure there is at least one air marshal who left his pistol there.
 
Oleg, the terrorists have won at least a partial victory.

No longer can we freely fly from one airport to another without being subject to humiliating delays and searches, even down to our shoes.

The terrorists responsible for 9-11 knew they had no chance to bring this country to its knees, but they certainly got our government looking into our private business. Disruption of the routine serves their cause very well.

It won't get any better for a while, I'm afraid.
 
I had tried to post this several days ago but ran into technical difficulties, so I'll try again.

I just recently flew back from a memorial service with several firearms and ammunition I had inherited as part of the estate. I was dreading dealing with both Delta and the TSA. I carefully reviewed both entities instructions and web pages and went to the airport almost 4 hours early instead of the typical 2. I checked and double checked my pockets and carryon for nontraband (Thats a word I just made up for contraband that should not be).

I steeled myself as I approached the Delta desk, preparing for the ineptitude, anal probing and federal prison time.....

Nothing happened. The Delta clerk was somewhat confused due to the quantity I had, but a supervisor was on hand and immediately conferred with TSA and determined everything was fine. They did not require me to make a PDA (Public Display of Armament) and handled everything in a professional and courteous manner.

The TSA checkpoint was equally innocuous and the screeners handchecked everything without muss or fuss. One of the TSA supervisors actually showed an enthusiast's interest in the weapons, which may have been an act, but was none the less appreciated. Nothing was damaged or disturbed in any way, and the whole inspection process took less than 10 minutes.

I actually spent more time in the screening area waiting for my disposable camera to be chemically sniffed than I spent having my entire luggage checked.

I whole heartedly believe that this process did nothing to improve our Nation's security and that it was prettyy much a pointless exercise that I should not have had to endure. However, I cannot complain about the process. Maybe it was a fluke, but I was treated with respect and was inconvenienced minimally. It was by far the least unpleasant part of the entire flying process.

Now of course when I become head of my own airline passengers will be issued guns when boarding. Part of the safety lecture will include the Big 4. First Class gets a choice of SIG or GM, and coach gets Glocks.
 
Every TSA and airport worker in Nashville talked about the guns they have. Minnesota TSA were polite and friendly, airline worker said that "we aren't gun-toting recnecks here". :) The manners got much better lately. The fact remains that we fly unarmed. I'd deal with it if it was on the initiative of individual airlines, so some woul dprohibit tweezers and others would allow guns...but the fit-all solution, just as with public schools, doesn't allow any choice...other than driving or learning to fly your own.
 
The mentality that determines that people are safer when they are defenseless is beyond my ken.

That said, I'm in total agreement with Quantrill; as a pilot, I can fly myself; many times faster door-to-door than the airlines. Try it; you'll like it.

Flying attracts the same sort of people as guns--those who are willing to accept responsibility for their own actions.
 
"That said, I'm in total agreement with Quantrill; as a pilot, I can fly myself; many times faster door-to-door than the airlines. Try it; you'll like it. "

Whatever you guys are smoking, I hope the FAA doesn't find out about it. *That* said, I have tried it, I do like it, and I especially like being able to pile a bunch of guns and ammo into a plane and fly off to my secret shooting range without going through a bunch of security nonsense.

Tim
 
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I don't see an exception for airports in there.
 
A clerk in Nashville called me Calamity Jane because I had more than one gun to check. He seemed amused.
 
Ah, great. All we need now is someone to sue an airport on the basis that the search & seizure laws are unconstitutional.

Then wait 7 years for the appeals process...

Volunteers?

That's one thing that sucks about the system.

Does happen. My sweet wife heads a political organization that has sued several Idaho cities on the basis that the state annexation laws are uncontitutional. (Part of the same big picture, IMHO). The suit is going to the 9th Circuit, now, and may make it to SCOTUS. Seems there's not really a good precedent or body of law on what constitutes a "vote". Could be interesting.

Anyway, I doubt my wife would let me tackle this one. One suit against the Gov't is enough.
 
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