Ruger SR9c

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Ku4hx, thanks. That's what I understood, but wanted to double check. (Believe it or not, I actually read every word of the manual the very first day ... except the appendix parts list. I'll get to that later. )

I have a love hate relationship with snap caps. I understand their value, but have had a couple of 'bad' experiences. Just last week, I learned that one had broken off in my .22 rifle and was preventing a real cartridge from loading. :eek:

JJeep, you'll get first dibs if I decide to do it. I'm pretty sure I will do so -- and I'll explain my reasoning later -- but want to think it through carefully. I'll send you a pm.

Ku4hx said:
... and her comment was she could do the same thing with me but didn't see the point ... yet. I dropped the matter.
My first good laugh of the day. Thanks. :D
 
Thinking about magazines: 10 v 17 rnd

As I mentioned above, I'm pretty strongly considering trading my 17-rnd mag for a second 10-rnd one.

Now I know that some will see that as evidence of some form of insanity. So let me explain my reasoning about this, and hopefully I won't be judged too harshly. :rolleyes:

For me, this is not a range toy, but my CC and 'camp'** defense weapon. Even with only 100+ rounds through it, and the certainty that I have a lot of work to do yet, it already feels better than any handgun I've ever shot. To be clear, that's NOT lot relative to some (most?) of you. But I'm not a collector -- just looking for the right tool to fill that niche in a kit for me -- a quasi-nomadic person who moves around a lot (professional reasons, mostly), don't own or rent a "permanent home" (thus I call them ** "camps", reflecting my love of outdoors), and doesn't want to move a lot of tools when I go. (All my tool kits are honed pretty much the same: minimal kits -- from hand tools to outdoor gear -- assembled on first hand experiences, what works well v what doesn't.)

For that reason, this will be -- at least for now -- my only handgun. (Add two rifles -- see sig line -- and a potential third next year.)

I also don't have tons of time (or money) for the range.

Now here's the crux of it for me. One, when I put in that 17-rnd mag, it changed the dynamics of the gun for me. With my smaller hands, it felt ... not as controllable. I was slopier with it, both in terms of handling it and taking care to make sure each shot counted. (Subliminally, there's a message playing in my head about quantity v quality when the 17-rnder is in.)

So I think I want to train with it consistently with the smaller mag: shooting, counting (easier for me with 10 than 17), reloading. I can see carrying three 10-rnd: one in, two spare. That way, I'm effectively training with one gun, rather than two, or 1.5 -- cause it's just a little different, not real different.

And two, honestly, I just don't feel a need for 17-rnds. <dons flame suit> If I was going to use it mainly as a range gun, or shoot competition matches, or was some flavor of LE or ranger, I can totally see why I'd want it. But in my situation, if I can't do it with 10, or 20, then I shouldn't have been in that neighborhood to begin with. And I've already doubled my number without reload -- from 5 (with the .38 spl) to 10, and can reload way faster now than in the past. (I'm no Jerry Miculek.)

OK, there; that's it. Thoughts welcome, even encouraged. In the end, it's my decision, but someone might offer the reason that makes me say, "Oh, wait; ok, I'll keep the 17."

We'll see. ;)
 
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I much preffered the 17 rounder for similar reasons - I have large hands and the trip was weird for me with the 10 rounder. If it were me, I'd be tempted to keep the 17 for backup purposes, but your reasoning is very sound. If you shoot better with the 10 rounder, it's a no brainer.
 
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I also prefer the 17 round mags to the 10 round mags -- but not for the extra rounds, but for me it makes the gun feel better in my hand.

An extension on the base of the 10-round that adds an extra 1/2" or so would work for me... and if I find one, I might use that instead of the larger mag. Heck, I'd be happy with a 12 or 14-round mag, and that might be just right.
 
JJeep and Walt, seems we're on the same page.

For me, a 12-round would be close to perfect.
The 17 is way too big, but the 10- is a tad small.
 
LaserLyte

After an afternoon and evening of reading reviews and watching videos,
I'm getting close to pulling the trigger (metaphor for now) on one of these.

Both money and time are short for range and live, as I move toward a transcontinental move.
And I need work on my trigger pull, grip, anticipation, pointing, drawing, shooting fast, alternative positions, etc, etc, etc.

So it seems prudent. After the move, I can do half and half laser v live.

Any thoughts?
 
I don't have much use for the 17 round Mag; too big and cumbersome for my smaller size hand and it changes the handling dynamics of the gun. I like the flat base plate on the 10 round mag, preferring to have my pinky finger tucked under the mag rather than resting on the base plate extension.
 
Im assuming your 10 rounder has the pinky extension on it?
JJeep, yes, it does. Mine came with it installed.

I took it off briefly just to try it (I had to ask my gun dealer how since I didn't find directions in the manual), but immediately put it back on. It makes the difference for me between good grip with pinky on the grips, and poor grip where pinky pretty easily slips off. A 12-round mag would make the difference, but even then, I think I'd leave the extender on.

I'm virtually certain you're going to wind up with my 17-rnd mag, especially reading what BB wrote above, confirming my experience with the 17: it just changes the handling dynamic too much for me.
 
In an email exchange with a close friend in Maine yesterday, I learned that he and his girlfriend have decided to buy two SR9C's. They had already made this decision on their own, from their own research. He only learned Saturday that I had purchased an SR9c.

A part of their reasoning: he has large hands, she has small hands. So she's going to take both 10'rnd'ers and he'll take the 17. That's not only a good idea, but kind of romantic, in a way.
 
Update: one month later.

Still loving this pistol.
At my side day and night.
Sitting right here on the desk.

Thanks to a great, easy trade,
it now has two 10-rnd mags.

I'm practicing the hold that
Bds recommended in post 143.
It's now automatic, cybernetic.
 
I traded into a stainless SR9c today. My niece bought it in 2012, and was never comfortable with an autoloader. She really wanted a revolver. I traded her my 638, and she was very happy. We spent several hours together trying each others trade, and then went to lunch. It was a nice day.

I shot 300 rounds thru the SR9c today. 200 Blazer Brass 115 gr, and 100+ mixed SD loads, Critical Defense, Golden Sabers, Gold Dots, and Hydra-Shoks. The Ruger fed every round without hesitation. As others have already stated, the trigger is excellent, the pistol points to target naturally, and it hits right behind the front sight each and every time. I had a large ragged hole at the 10 ring, and a couple flyers, at 10 yards. I wasn't trying for target accuracy, but more just getting a feel for the trigger, and testing reliability.

I am very happy with the SR9c, and glad I was able to trade. My niece was comfortable with her new Smith & Wesson, and excited to have it.
 
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I would say it was a definite WIN/WIN for both you and your niece. Good trade all the way around.
 
It is indeed a great story. It's so cool when good stuff like that happens.

And congrats on the SR9c. I'll be interested to hear how you like it as time goes on.
 
Bannockburn... yes, that was the trade exactly. She wanted something small, light and simple. She was worried that under stress she wouldn't get the safety swept off. She just feels comfortable with a revolver, and I was glad I could help her out, and my 638 was just sitting in the safe.

I have never owned a striker pistol, and wanted one, just to see what I thought about them. I like hammer guns, and have owned them for 30 years. It was time to try something new.
 
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Didn't really have the SR9c on my radar until some guy next to me at the range asked me if I could try shooting his new SR9c. Seems he was having trouble keeping it on paper and wanted to know if it was him or the gun. Loaded up 5 rounds and I proceeded to put all 5 shots in the black at 30 feet. Made an instant believer out of me and when I went looking for a compact 9mm. it was at the top of my list. Checked out the Glock 19, SA XD Compact, and S&W M&P Compact and the SR9c was hands down the best choice for me. The gun itself just feels right in my hand and the sights line up quickly and easily on target. The trigger is great right out of the box and I like the small design touches like the different mag bases and the reversible backstrap insert. All in all it's a very well designed and built gun.
 
...the SR9c was hands down the best choice for me. The gun itself just feels right in my hand and the sights line up quickly and easily on target. The trigger is great right out of the box and I like the small design touches like the different mag bases and the reversible backstrap insert. All in all it's a very well designed and built gun.
That really sums it up well for me, too.

I'll add, again, that -- unlike many -- I really like the LCI. It adds a level of information and safety without any negative consequences that I can see.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it since arriving in Florida, but hope to change that soon. There's an indoor range downtown.
 
If money is in short supply, and you have time on your hands in the evenings, I strongly encourage you to start reloading. A small hand press, a set of Lee dies, a bulky powder like red dot or 700x, and some primers and you're good to go. This would fit in a small tackle box, and use up some spare time productively. As they say about reloading, you don't save any money, you just shoot more. That's definitely been true for me.
 
For the low end, I recommend all Lee products. Love 'em or hate 'em, they're cheap and they work. They're even cheaper used, so I recommend trying to find these at gun shows or used on Ebay.

If you typically have a table and some C clamps, I recommend getting a C press, bolting it to a scrap of wood, and clamping it to a table you may have handy: http://leeprecision.com/reloader-press.html

I paid $15, used, for mine.

If that's not an option, go with the hand press: http://leeprecision.com/breech-lock-hand-press.html

I paid $20, new, for the non-breech block version.

I have both, and the extra leverage you get from a mounted press is worth it, but not mandatory.

Then, you'll need a set of dies. Again, Lee is typically the answer, but you can often get other quality sets off eBay for as much or less. NOTE: You NEED to get a CARBIDE sizing die. Many of the sets on eBay are older and are steel, not carbide. DO NOT make the mistake of getting one. The difference is that you need to lube the cases, and then remove the lube, if using steel resizing dies. Carbide dies do not require lube, and are MUCH faster. Here's what I'm talking about: http://leeprecision.com/3-die-set-9mm-luger-carb.html

You should be able to find a set for $20-25, that includes a shell holder.

Lee die sets come with a powder scoop. Use the instructions to figure out how much this scoop will hold of the powder you're using, and cross reference that amount to confirm it's withing safe published load data.

You'll need to prime your cases. One that works good is the Lee Ram Prime: http://leeprecision.com/ram-prime.html

These are hard to find for less than the $15 list price, but you should be able to find it with free shipping.

Get a pound of Red Dot or 700x powder, and you can load 9mm with it, as well as light loads in your .30-30. Unique powder also works well for both cartridges. This should be $28 or so. A pound is 7000 grains (the unit of measure), and the Hodgdon load data for 700x powder is 3.9 to 4.2 grains (again, the unit of measure) per load. Assuming a load of 4.0 grains, you'll get 1750 rounds per pound, or $0.016 per round, or $0.80 per box.

Load data for .30-30 is not published by the factory, but is available from reputable sources (C.E. Harris).

Primers are a bit tougher. Deals can be had online, but locally, not so much. You'll probably be able to find primers for $30/k, or a bit more. At $0.03 each, you're at $1.50 for a box of 50.

I recommend plated bullets to start. You can order from xtreme bullets, and they have free shipping for first time customers. 115 grain 9mm bullets are $39.29 for 500, or $3.93 for a box of 50.

You will use brass picked up at the range. I recommend cleaning with 2 liter bottle of store brand diet soda. Pour some out to drink, drop you cases in, and shake it around. The carbonic acid cleans the brass, and washes the range gunk off. Rinse off the soda pop, and you're ready to load.

So a box of ammo is $6.23 per box. You can size/deprime, flare, and prime while watching TV, talking, or otherwise distracted. You'll need your full attention to place the powder in the case and seat bullets.

With this setup, you should be able to load 100-150 bullets per hour. Assuming an equipment start-up cost of $50, and a loaded ammo price at Wal-Mart of $10.60 ($9.99 plus tax), you're saving $4.37 for each box loaded. You'll break even on your equipment in 11.44 boxes.

If you find reloading is not for you, you can sell all the equipment for what you paid for it.

The economics of reloading 9mm is tough, and though I have the equipment (and several Dillon progressive presses to load on), I haven't yet done it. I do load every other caliber I shoot, except .22lr. The price to load .38 special is identical to 9mm, except a box of store bought ammo is $15, so the savings quickly add up, and are compelling. .44 magnum, at $30+ per box, and you're making money!

I intend to start reloading 9mm soon because I shoot in a local shooting league, and I want to load ammo that's more accurate than cheap store bought ammo.

It's up to you to decide if it's worth it. As an itinerant biologist, I know you aren't eating steak and lobster every night, and a simple setup may work for you.

The reloading sub-forum will have a lot of answers to any questions you may have.
 
John C, that's awesome info!!! Thanks so much for taking the time to post that!

Busy afternoon for me, but I'll get back to it after work and read carefully, explore those links, etc. This sounds doable ...

It's up to you to decide if it's worth it. As an itinerant biologist, I know you aren't eating steak and lobster every night, and a simple setup may work for you.
Hahahhaa.... yeah, you pretty much got that right. :D

2016 has a very good chance of being far better financially than the last few years, but I'm still going to be quasi-nomadic up and down the west coast. So a simple set up sounds like a very reasonable piece of kit.
 
OK, so I blew off work this afternoon (being self-employed has one or two perks, one of which is scheduling), and read about reloading, watched a couple of videos (to get the basic idea -- that really helped a lot).

If I got this right (please comment and critique), I could be set up with these pieces of equipment for a quasi-nomadic existence. (I cannot guarantee I'll have a table to mount a press onto, so maybe best to go for a hand loader.)

Breech lock hand press kit

Set of dies for 9mm (any reason to get the 4-piece set?)

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/648355/lee-ultimate-4-die-set-30-30-winchester (includes full length resizing die) -- .30-30 is currently my only other reloadable gun.

Loading manual, 2nd Edition

Up to there, the sub-total looks like right at $150.

Add scale, bullets, primers, auto-priming tool (Lee makes a couple it appears).

Am I at least on the right path?
 
Im in the same boat as you just got my ruger last month im looking at the lee load master 1000 its about 70 bucks more than the setup you mentioned
 
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