NRA Stickers on Car. Good Idea or Not?

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And yet you think its based in fear. Why?

I personally don't like slapping a bunch of stickers on my car to prove I support something, or to advertise a personal brand preference. I prefer less visual clutter. I own a S&W, but I don't have a sticker for it on my car. Am I afraid?

Another case that supports my lack of desire to advertise my personal life. A buddy at work is a big Detroit Red Wings fan. His $6,000 Snap On toolbox is decorated with various Red Wings stickers. Someone, apparently not a hockey fan, deliberately and childishly defaced his personal property, specifically targeting the Red Wings stickers. I too have a lot of money invested in my toolbox, and I have little desire to have it vandalized by some moron who doesn't like what I like.

Again, it's not about fear. It's about not advertising my personal preferences to a bunch of random strangers who are largely unpredictable and irrational.

I can stand for something without showing it off.

Guess what, I didn't change my Facebook picture to a French flag, or a rainbow flag like so many others did as a useless show of support for whatever the cause of the week was.

lol

What?
 
@Warp

Why do people break the speed limit, particularly when they aren't even really in a hurry?

Because there's no ethical reason to follow arbitrary malum prohibitum regulations when a violation doesn't affect or endanger another person or their property. Very different from keying someone else's car.
 
@Warp



Because there's no ethical reason to follow arbitrary malum prohibitum regulations when a violation doesn't affect or endanger another person or their property. Very different from keying someone else's car.

Excess speed is a major factor in accidents that result in injury and death.

Excess speed DOES endanger other people and their property.

Excess speed DOES lead to property damage, personal injury, and death, in the actor as well as other (innocent) people.
 
lol

What?
Yeah, after the Paris attack, the big deal on social media was to change your profile picture to a French flag, or superimpose it, to show support for the victims. It was also popular to do the same thing with a rainbow after the SCOTUS gay marriage decision earlier this year. It was a pointless gesture to advertise a persons support of what they believe in. In most cases, I'm betting that's all they did.

I see NRA stickers like that. Really, no one cares. Just like they don't care if your kid was an honor student at Podunk elementary. If slapping a sticker on your stuff makes you feel better, go for it. I don't care, it's just not my personal preference. Just dump the idiotic fallacy that because I choose not to decorate my stuff in that way that I'm somehow afraid.
 
Excess speed is a major factor in accidents that result in injury and death.

Excess speed DOES endanger other people and their property.

Excess speed DOES lead to property damage, personal injury, and death, in the actor as well as other (innocent) people.

Excessive speed can be a factor in accidents, and it can endanger others. But clearly those cases would be the opposite of what I'm talking about, being that I went out my way to refer to those instances where it doesn't do those things.

Let's take a driver in the midwest on a deserted four-lane highway where they can literally see 10+ miles to each horizon, an hour from the nearest town with nothing but flat fields all around and not another driver in sight. On a dry, sunny day, they press down on the accelerator and are now going +2, or +5, or +10 over the speed limit. They're over the speed limit, but within the limits of themselves and their vehicle–a different thing entirely than an arbitrary speed limit.

It's a stretch to wring the hands and say they're causing endangerment of another person or another's property.

Complicate it a bit more if you like: the speed limit in the state where I grew up changed from 70 mph on the interstate to 75. If someone went 72mph when the speed limit was 70, they're driving at what you would term excessive speed. A week later when the limit goes up, they go 72 and are suddenly safe? You can't tell me that's anything but arbitrary, unless you believe that malum prohibitum regulations can bend physics and redefine excessive speed to where 72mph is reckless endangerment one day and conservative the next.
 
Excessive speed can be a factor in accidents, and it can endanger others.
Excessive speed IS a factory in accidents every single day, and excessive speed IS a factory in thousands of cases of property damage, injury, and death, every year in the US. Actually it may be tens of thousands of cases of fatality, even, if we were to attempt to check the best available facts/figures/statistics.
 
I personally don't like slapping a bunch of stickers on my car to prove I support something, or to advertise a personal brand preference. I prefer less visual clutter. I own a S&W, but I don't have a sticker for it on my car. Am I afraid?
This is reasonable and logical, can't argue with that.


Another case that supports my lack of desire to advertise my personal life. A buddy at work is a big Detroit Red Wings fan. His $6,000 Snap On toolbox is decorated with various Red Wings stickers. Someone, apparently not a hockey fan, deliberately and childishly defaced his personal property, specifically targeting the Red Wings stickers. I too have a lot of money invested in my toolbox, and I have little desire to have it vandalized by some moron who doesn't like what I like.
This is fear that someone will vandalize you vehicle, that I don't understand.
The "lack of desire" in the context of the above paragraph is fear.




I can stand for something without showing it off.
How exactly can stand for something without showing it?
 
Excessive speed IS a factory in accidents every single day, and excessive speed IS a factory in thousands of cases of property damage, injury, and death, every year in the US. Actually it may be tens of thousands of cases of fatality, even, if we were to attempt to check the best available facts/figures/statistics.

Right, clear of the concept mate. What you seem to be missing is the disconnection between arbitrary speed limits and excessive speed. There is a difference between the act of disobeying a speed limit, and the act of going faster than one's skills and equipment relative to conditions leading to the injury of others.

Even the law acknowledges as much, and that's why we have crimes like assault with a deadly weapon, to wit a vehicle; vehicular manslaughter; and driving too fast for conditions (which can occur even under the speed limits you appear to regard as morally upright). My comment does nothing to criticize instances where people get convicted of these crimes, as we both agree they should. But going 57 in a 55 mph zone in the middle of nowhere is not the same thing. That you can't allow for nuance in your own opinion doesn't cause the difference to vanish in practice.
 
Right, clear of the concept mate. What you seem to be missing is the disconnection between arbitrary speed limits and excessive speed. There is a difference between the act of disobeying a speed limit, and the act of going faster than one's skills and equipment relative to conditions leading to the injury of others.

Even the law acknowledges as much, and that's why we have crimes like assault with a deadly weapon, to wit a vehicle; vehicular manslaughter; and driving too fast for conditions (which can occur even under the speed limits you appear to regard as morally upright). My comment does nothing to criticize instances where people get convicted of these crimes, as we both agree they should. But going 57 in a 55 mph zone in the middle of nowhere is not the same thing. That you can't allow for nuance in your own opinion doesn't cause the difference to vanish in practice.

Speed limits are not entirely arbitrary. There is a reason my residential street isn't posted 70 MPH, and that reason is not arbitrary.

Just pretend that I wrote an essay in my first post explaining how what I was referring to was people driving with excess speed putting themselves and others (property, health, life) at risk in addition to being in excess of the posted speed limit.
 
Excessive speed IS a factory in accidents every single day, and excessive speed IS a factory in thousands of cases of property damage, injury, and death, every year in the US. Actually it may be tens of thousands of cases of fatality, even, if we were to attempt to check the best available facts/figures/statistics.
Uh...you actually have to have an accident for speed to be a potential contributing factor..and even then there is no correlation between what the speed limit may be vs what might be a safe speed. Speed may or may not be a contributor at or below the speed limit too.

Indeed, why did the speed limit change on a stretch of I-40, for example, from 70, to 55, to 65, to 70 then to 75 over the course of a few decades when nothing changed concerning the roadway itself? Obviously the speed limit has little to do with what is safe or whether or not speed is a contributing factor to an accident.
 
Uh...you actually have to have an accident for speed to be a potential contributing factor..and even then there is no correlation between what the speed limit may be vs what might be a safe speed. Speed may or may not be a contributor at or below the speed limit too.

Indeed, why did the speed limit change on a stretch of I-40, for example, from 70, to 55, to 65, to 70 then to 75 over the course of a few decades when nothing changed concerning the roadway itself? Obviously the speed limit has little to do with what is safe or whether or not speed is a contributing factor to an accident.

Oh, but there absolutely is a correlation.
 
Just pretend that I wrote an essay in my first post explaining how what I was referring to was people driving with excess speed putting themselves and others (property, health, life) at risk in addition to being in excess of the posted speed limit.

Would that I could interpret your opinion as accounting for a careful read of what I said rather than teeing off on what was not said. But unfortunately I can only go off what appears in the post, with no sense of how inarticulate it may be. As my seventh grade English teacher was so fond of saying, "words mean things."
 
There is a Lexus suv driving around town with the entire back covered in dozens of liberal ranting stickers. I'd love to slap a pro-gun sticker in that mess and see if she ever notices.

That's funny right there. :D

I worked in a factory where on of the front office workers was so far left she tried to make me park off the property so she wouldn't have to see my GALT/REARDAN 2012 sticker. Never did mention the NRA sticker on the front window and rear bumper.
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Would that I could interpret your opinion as accounting for a careful read of what I said rather than teeing off on what was not said. But unfortunately I can only go off what appears in the post, with no sense of how inarticulate it may be. As my seventh grade English teacher was so fond of saying, "words mean things."

Which is precisely why, every time somebody references an "NRA sticker", I assume they are referring to this until they articulate otherwise

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For some reason it seems that anti gun people and liberals (not always the same thing) hate the NRA and aren't above defacing your vehicle to let you know that.

Like it or not it's cheaper for me to leave the NRA sticker off the car than replace 4 slashed tires
 
sequins said:
NRA stickered car vandalism sounds a lot like razor blades in apples- Where is the evidence of this happening on any regularity? I've never seen or heard of it.

First page of google for "nra bumpersticker car vandalism news" only turns up hits to other paranoid folks on other forums. As far as I can tell it just doesn't happen. Also, this thread is a recurring one, apparently.



Typed in NRA bumper sticker vandalism this was the first hit


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022379501
 
Would you all not voice your opinion on an important matter, in a room full of people who may or would disagree? I cant say that Im above rattling peoples cages from time to time, especially if im in the minority.

A few weeks ago, I had written in the dirt on the rear window of my fancy new car, "Hillary Clinton is a repugnant hag". I got quite a few one fingered salutes, but it also prompted me meeting and talking with a nice old fellow, that I otherwise never wouldve met.
 
Typed in NRA bumper sticker vandalism this was the first hit


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022379501

That's from 2013 and in the OP it says:

"At the urging of a couple of posters, I do amend my idea here. Don't commit a crime. Maybe the better thing to do, is get some stickers and modify them and then use them yourself."

ALL of the responses pretty much told the OP they were an idiot and should not do it:

"the hilarity of this stunt depends on how amused you would be to find that someone had defaced (vandalized) a bumper sticker on your car.

As far as I'm concerned, any sticker I place on the outside of my vehicle becomes part of my vehicle, and, as such, any defacement of the sticker is equal to vandalism to my vehicle.

So, yeah. Run around vandalizing other people's property if that's what floats your boat. But don't whine about it if someone does it to you, or if you get caught and the car owner decides to press charges. "

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That's called defacing private property and it's a misdemeanor.
You could also be charged with vandalism.
I urge people not to do this no matter how much it pisses someone off."

".. vandalizing other peoples personal property, but you go right ahead.

Since you are targeting armed victims, I'd recommend wearing body armor while pulling this "prank.""

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It is someone else's private property. You have no right to deface it. You would not want someone defacing your Obama sticker."

"I have to say this this is kind of childish.

I have a better idea just print out a paper saying a couple things and place it on their windshield.

My aunt got one saying

I just wanted to let you know that someone Vandalized your vehicle by slapping an Obama sticker on it. The last thing you want to be doing is driving around all day looking like an idiot.
Take care, A Good Samaritan.

She did not really get it, well you know why."
 
In response to Warp

Its true a number of respondents to that thread said vandalizing the car wasn't the best idea but if you go look through the majority of threads on that site where the NRA is the topic a large number of participants will tell you that any NRA member deserves what ever they get.

Some of them are all for rounding up NRA members and killing them.

They actually have threads devoted on the best way to vandalize NRA members homes.

And remember DU has more lurkers than THR has members
 
Its true a number of respondents to that thread said vandalizing the car wasn't the best idea but if you go look through the majority of threads on that site where the NRA is the topic a large number of participants will tell you that any NRA member deserves what ever they get.

Some of them are all for rounding up NRA members and killing them.

They actually have threads devoted on the best way to vandalize NRA members homes.

And remember DU has more lurkers than THR has members

Every response in that thread said it was a bad idea/don't do it.

I don't make a habit of reading DU so I am unaware of all the other threads you are referring to, I just read the one you linked, which was full of "don't do it".

People can get online and puff up and their chest with anonymity and say they want other people to round up and kill other people...I'm not seeing that as a reason to publicly hide any affiliation with anything that might not be 100% accepted by everybody.
 
I was a professor at a large liberal public university. Gave me a smile every day driving in with my NRA sticker prominently displayed. Hope it annoyed a good number of nitwit faculty.
 
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