California's new law allows for gun confiscation without notice

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California's new law allows for gun confiscation without notice

December 29, 2015

New Year's Day 2016 will hold more than the usual significance of the Rose Parade and Rose Bowl game. Beginning January 1, police in California may confiscate firearms from gun owners thought to be a danger to themselves or others without giving the owner any notice. The implementation of “gun violence restraining orders” (GVROs), will go into effect New Year’s Day, according to Breitbart Tuesday.

KPCC reports GVROs “could be issued without prior knowledge of the person. In other words, a judge could issue the order without ever hearing from the person in question, if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police.” Confiscation can commence without any notice to the gun owner once the order is issued without the gun owner even being present to defend him or herself.

Trying to avoid the "C" word, Los Angeles Police Department Assistant Chief Michael Moore instead says, “The law gives us a vehicle to cause the person to surrender their weapons, to have a time out, if you will.” California law already bans people from possessing guns if they’ve committed a violent crime or were involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.

With GVROs, California law will allow judges to bar people from possessing guns even if they have not committed a violent crime or were involuntarily committed. Because of this, Gun Owners of California Executive Director Sam Paredes warns that GVROs “may create a situation where law-abiding gun owners are put in jeopardy.”
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For elected officials to knowingly pass a bill into law that violates due process of law should be grounds for relieving them of their position of authority, and a remedial course in high school civics, and the constitition, because they have lost the concept.
 
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I want to see them try to pass something like that here in Miami. There would be soooo many shootouts, dead LEOs and dead freedom fighters. Not to mention that criminals and drug dealers love their guns also.
 
"MagnunJoe" said
There would be soooo many shootouts, dead LEOs and dead freedom fighters.
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'Splain, please. That dramatic little comment requires just a smidge more elaboration ... I mean, "dead freedom fighters?" Would those be the dead subjects of GVROs who decide to fight it out when the local gendarmerie shows up at their doorstep?

I'm sure I'm agreement with most here that this new law is a bad, bad law and unconstitutional as well, before predicting the streets running red with the blood of law enforcement officers and hapless victims of these "GVROs," let's wait a minute and see how this is going to play out ... Although, having seen how bad marriages and bad relationships can create bogus allegations of domestic violence, child abuse and numerous other tawdry accusations used as a weapon by family members or spouses against each other ... I've a bad feeling about this.
 
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mdauben said:
As so the jack booted storm troopers will start kicking down doors in the sunshine state? Good lord, how did our country get to this point?
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They have been doing that for decades. Police do about 50,000 no-knock SWAT raids a year now.
 
If a person has their firearms removed via false accusations...oops , wrong guy type situation.

How much money will they have to spend and how much time before they get said firearms back?
 
This is just one more way that they're trying to use to disarm Americans. If they can get it done in CA... so goes the rest of the Nation.

I think this is a bad idea and I think we're going to see some dead CA gun owners and police officers. And this will just lead the push for more gun laws in CA and other states because they think they're "protecting" children and other sheeple.

Another bad gun law brought to Amerika by the fools running CA!
 
MagnunJoe said:
I want to see them try to pass something like that here in Miami. There would be soooo many shootouts, dead LEOs and dead freedom fighters. Not to mention that criminals and drug dealers love their guns also.
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No there wouldn't
 
The High Road view of this is to disarm criminals which I am favor for. But I do see where law abiding gun owners may be criminalized, that's where it might back fire.
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This CA law has nothing to do with disarming 'criminals'...

It allows someone to call the cops and allege that you are a danger to yourself or others with no evidence more than a 'feeling'...LEO's can then disarm you for 21 days without notice...

The 'time out' then 'allows' you to 'prove' that you are not a danger...

Thought crimes, anyone?
 
It's my understanding that this is being done without anyone being charged with a crime. If that's true, is their another law that'd keep them from going out and legally purchasing another gun? Couldn't they still pass the background check?

The first I read about this law was yesterday, so I'm not informed at all.
Also what can be done when (not if) the law is abused by someone with a grudge.

This seems like a classic case of "guilty until proven innocent"
I bet it want last long in the courts.

So glad I don't live in a state like that, sorry for those of you do.



The High Road view of this is to disarm criminals which I am favor for. But I do see where law abiding gun owners may be criminalized, that's where it might back fire
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It is already illegal for criminals to have guns, it's also illegal for criminals to be ......criminals. We don't need another law outlawing criminals from being criminals.
 
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This CA law has nothing to do with disarming 'criminals'...
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Exactly, and it can never be answered on the false premise that it is about disarming criminals or even people who "pose a threat".

This is one more verbal charge that is ripe for abuse in domestic and divorce cases, as it never has to be proven, and there are no ENFORCEABLE consequences for abusing it with false accusations.
 
Although, having seen how bad marriages and bad relationships can create bogus allegations of domestic violence, child abuse and numerous other tawdry accusations used as a weapon by family members or spouses against each other ... I've a bad feeling about this.
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This exactly what it is aimed for (the DV types); yet we all know how what you stated is true.

Wonder how many girlfriends "in da hood" would call the cops to have them come disarm their abusive boyfriends? Not too many I suspect. Wonder what else might happen if a LA cop's wife calls because he is going off on her? Will they take his service weapon?
 
MagnunJoe said:
I want to see them try to pass something like that here in Miami. There would be soooo many shootouts, dead LEOs and dead freedom fighters. Not to mention that criminals and drug dealers love their guns also.
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I predict federal lawsuits that last years, not civil unrest or battles to the death. This thought process is silly, and would be just as much a violation of due process as any LEO or judge trying to enforce this law. To be a citizen of this country you comply with the law, and fight in court, not in the streets.

Originally Posted by JSH1

They have been doing that for decades. Police do about 50,000 no-knock SWAT raids a year now.
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I've never seen this number before. Do you have a source, or data to back that statement? Just wondering.

California, Oregon, and Washington are states I crossed off of my list of possible homes a long time ago, with California being at the top of the list. I just wouldn't take a job in any of those states. Maybe Washington....... If it really paid well. But California has gotten o the point where I don't even want to take a vacation there.

Remember to vote and write your representatives.

I didn't realize the Nazi party were individuals that got elected to public office in this country.
 
Sad to see this. Starting not to trust our public servants..... this new law does not allow due process and it would seem the burden of proof lies on the citizen and not law enforcement or the judiciary. It would seem that they want enough laws on the books to allow government to do anything they deem appropriate for their interests.
 
MagnunJoe said:
I want to see them try to pass something like that here in Miami. There would be soooo many shootouts, dead LEOs and dead freedom fighters. Not to mention that criminals and drug dealers love their guns also.
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You really have no clue how modern "Law Enforcement" works do you?

They won't come while you are home.

You'll just get home, find your private space violated, your stuff gone, and a warrant stapled to the broken door.

If you show up while all this is going on and show ANY aggressive behaviour you will be restrained, possibly tasered or shot dead.
If you live through this, you will be arrested and charged with at least one felony.
Welcome to Amerika comrade....
 
Old Dog said:
.... let's wait a minute and see how this is going to play out ... Although, having seen how bad marriages and bad relationships can create bogus allegations of domestic violence, child abuse and numerous other tawdry accusations used as a weapon by family members or spouses against each other ... I've a bad feeling about this.
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Me too. Add another tool to their tool kit. Bet they won't enforce it with illegals or minority folks. It is all about having the "legal" means of disarming the American public. The folks that control "the world" know that the guns have to go somehow in the US. But that is just my opinion.

Onmilo is correct. Law Enforcement would do it when nobody is home or they think nobody is home.
 
What a truly sad state of affairs the gun owners have to deal with in California. As someone already mentioned are thought crimes next on the list of "crimes" that gun owners will be charged with? Could membership in the NRA, having a gun magazine subscription, or being here on THR get you labeled as a violent person so your guns could be confiscated?

Scary times indeed for gun owners in the Peoples Republic of Confiscatestan.
 
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An example..... I don't like old Joe next door. He gets mad when my kids get in his yard or my dog wanders over there. I know he has guns because I see him put them in his pickup from time to time. I don't feel safe with him next door and he's a loose cannon waiting for the right moment to explode and hurt my kids or me..... confiscate those guns....
 
RugerBob said:
If a person has their firearms removed via false accusations...oops , wrong guy type situation.

How much money will they have to spend and how much time before they get said firearms back?
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Depends where you live in CA.

Most jurisdictions, you can get your firearm back from police by obtaining a LEGR form (Law Enforcement Gun Release) from the DOJ. A fee is charged for each LEGR. This requires your gun be registered to you, which is a problem for some because there are a LOT of legally owned, unregistered guns in this state.
However, some jurisdictions (LA and SF cities come to mind) have refused to release firearms back to their owners, even when all the paperwork and processes have been followed, sometimes even defying court orders to do so.
I believe the LA county Sheriff's Dept has had to pay out several hundred thousand dollars in lawsuits due to collections they have confiscated and destroyed before the owner had a chance to get the paperwork done.
 
Salmoneye said:
This CA law has nothing to do with disarming 'criminals'...

It allows someone to call the cops and allege that you are a danger to yourself or others with no evidence more than a 'feeling'...LEO's can then disarm you for 21 days without notice...

The 'time out' then 'allows' you to 'prove' that you are not a danger...

Thought crimes, anyone?
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This law is rather important in that it is explicitly targeted at gun owners who by definition are law abiding. After all,


This is an anti-gun law that by definition doesn't go after criminals :scrutiny:

Kinda like requiring people to register guns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States) ...

BTW, if it is true that the rifles were bought by the San Bernardino's friend then loaned without going through a 01 FFL in CA ... they wouldn't have known to confiscate them under this scheme anyway. They would have only confiscated, err 'put in time out', his 2 pistols. This of course assumes that someone had even reported him, which no one did (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/syed-far...rt-suspicious-activity-for-fear-of-profiling/). Or that he'd been on a no fly list, which he wasn't (http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-not-on-terrorist-watch-list/).
 
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