Trump on Guns?

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Sgt.Murtaugh

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Is Trump a gun-friendly candidate? I can't find much about his views on 2A issues and like much of what he says, he seems inconsistent on the issue.

Does anyone have any insight into Trump and his stance on firearms?
 
I guess if 2A rights are an important issue for you as a voter you should focus more on the congressional voting right?

I mean, Obama is as anti-gun as we've seen in the white house and he wasn't able to do too much damage due to congressional pushback.

The supreme court justice nomination is his chance to make that impact and this guy he nominated is very much anti-gun.

I'm just trying to figure out how to vote in the general to protect my gun rights but also make a good choice for the country since guns aren't the only thing that matters.

This election cycle is awful.
 
I agree with both of the above posts.

I'll add that I've presented info/interviews that make it very plausible that his gun views may have legitimately changed over time.

I'm cautiously optimistic that he's seen the light and that it's sunk in while recognizing he that hes been inconsistent over time on many topics.
 
Is Trump a gun-friendly candidate? I can't find much about his views on 2A issues...
Apparently, that's because you didn't even try looking.

I typed 'trump' into Google: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trump
I then clicked on his website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
I then looked through the list under 'POSITIONS', and clicked on 'SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS': https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

You're saying that you weren't able to find that page? :confused:
I'm just trying to figure out how to vote in the general to protect my gun rights...
Wow. I don't think there has been a general election in my lifetime with a more defined choice between candidates' view on gun rights as this one.

Please simply read the following pages and make whatever decision you think is best...

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
 
Having a carry permit can also be seen as a form of pandering, right? Even more so with a guy like Trump.

unfortunately, while i can see the appeal with Trump, I cannot find anything he says to be 100% true and this is too important an issue to play roulette with.
 
Apparently, that's because you didn't even try looking.

I typed 'trump' into Google: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trump
I then clicked on his website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
I then looked through the list under 'POSITIONS', and clicked on 'SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS': https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

You're saying that you weren't able to find that page? :confused:

Wow. I don't think there has been a general election in my lifetime with a more defined choice between candidates' view on gun rights as this one.

Please simply read the following pages and make whatever decision you think is best...

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
yes, I see Trump's official website and if you wanna take it for face value, go right ahead. The guy is all over the place when it comes to his positions and imo has lost that benefit of the doubt.

I was more looking for specific examples where he spoke on the topic of guns, both recently and in the past, to try and get a real feel for what his true intentions are.

Ive found some anti-gun things he's said in the past that really give me pause when deciding whether to believe his most recent comments.

Anyone can go get a carry permit so they can check the box that says "I'm gun friendly!"

We know where Clinton stands on the issue and I wouldn't vote for her, regardless.

I'm trying to get a feel for the overall gun community's opinions on Trump as a candidate when it comes to 2A rights. I have not seen or found anything the NRA has said regarding Trump.
 
For every position Trump has taken on any particular issue, you can often find the exact opposition position taken at some time in the past.

Quoting from http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm (emphasis mine):

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000

I find his recently stated positions on guns more than acceptable. My concern is that anyone who allows extant events to change his or her opinion on a particular subject suggests a deficiency in moral principles. Those principles guide you in times of crisis, in circumstances in which it seems everyone pressures you to cave in to abandoning them to meet some kind of emergent threat.

Your freedoms are never taken away. They're sacrificed. Free societies willfully give up their freedoms in times of crisis. I know plenty of educated people who can easily succumb to that temptation. Competent leaders don't yield to popular pressure. They don't bend to political will. In times of crisis they provide stability and reassurance, founded on principles they hold to their core, and one thing is certain: we will face some kind of crisis in the future.

We could certainly do a lot worse than Trump, but he just doesn't inspire that kind of confidence.
 
One thing I can say about Sanders that I can't say about Clinton are Trump is at least he is true to his principles, misguided as they are. Clinton is a chameleon in the worst way, changing her dialect and beliefs depending on who she is talking to. Trump isn't too far behind her. I may just write my name in this election year. I know where I stand on 2A.
 
Him having a carry permit doesn't impress me much, as most of these people believe what is right for them is not necessarily right for us.
 
One thing I can say about Sanders that I can't say about Clinton are Trump is at least he is true to his principles, misguided as they are. Clinton is a chameleon in the worst way, changing her dialect and beliefs depending on who she is talking to. Trump isn't too far behind her. I may just write my name in this election year. I know where I stand on 2A.
That's the one thing Sanders has going for him, he's honest, consistent, and unwavering no matter how unrealistic his vision might be. He's likeable, in fact, the most likeable of all the candidates but this isn't, and shouldn't be, a popularity contest.
 
Well elsewhere on the net I read a post by someone who said they were 80 odd years old and they had pasted the text of a letter they claim to have mailed to the RNC. They used a raccoon analogy, basically saying if they had been away from home and returned to find the home infested with raccoons they would want someone who could remove them. They didn't really care about a lot of personal traits that didn't matter regarding the removal. Clothing, hair style, foul language, personal hygiene etc. Just were they going to be the one to get the raccoons out of the house. Because that's what you want, someone to get rid of the raccoons from your domicile.

You can see where this is headed. And the raccoon analogy is beautiful.
 
I find his recently stated positions on guns more than acceptable. My concern is that anyone who allows extant events to change his or her opinion on a particular subject suggests a deficiency in moral principles. Those principles guide you in times of crisis, in circumstances in which it seems everyone pressures you to cave in to abandoning them to meet some kind of emergent threat.

Your freedoms are never taken away. They're sacrificed. Free societies willfully give up their freedoms in times of crisis. I know plenty of educated people who can easily succumb to that temptation. Competent leaders don't yield to popular pressure. They don't bend to political will. In times of crisis they provide stability and reassurance, founded on principles they hold to their core, and one thing is certain: we will face some kind of crisis in the future.

We could certainly do a lot worse than Drumpf, but he just doesn't inspire that kind of confidence.

^This.

You've so eloquently stated my exact position on Trump that I have nothing to add to it. Thank you.

I'm trying to gauge how many gun owners feel the same way about it as you and I do.
 
Honestly, Trumps gun stance doesnt even really matter in this election. ANYONE currently running is going to be more pro 2A than Hillary. Defeating Hillary is what matter's. I'd vote for a deaf-mute flying monkey over Hillary.
 
His stated position is very clear. His sincerity is what is under question, due to a lack of a definitive public record either way, and tidbits of information going either way in the past. Since he is a first time office seeker, he has no NRA rating.

Bernie and Hillary are fighting over who gets to claim the worst NRA rating. Hillary has an F and considers Bernie's D- rating to be "pro gun".

Ted Cruz has stated position that is very clear, and long record of fighting for that position. He was endorsed by GOA last fall. He has a solid A+ NRA rating.

I don't think the NRA has made an official endorsement in the 2016 presidential race.
 
His stated position is very clear. His sincerity is what is under question, due to a lack of a definitive public record either way, and tidbits of information going either way in the past. Since he is a first time office seeker, he has no NRA rating.

Bernie and Hillary are fighting over who gets to claim the worst NRA rating. Hillary has an F and considers Bernie's D- rating to be "pro gun".

Ted Cruz has stated position that is very clear, and long record of fighting for that position. He was endorsed by GOA last fall. He has a solid A+ NRA rating.

I don't think the NRA has made an official endorsement in the 2016 presidential race.
Ted Cruz's position on guns, is indeed an A+ but he isn't winning anything and after having seen him do battle in courts and in front of committees over the years, I think we, as gun owners, need him in that same position fighting for us because he truly is impressive at litigating his stance. maybe as impressive as anyone i've ever seen.
 
Having a carry permit kind of says to me what side of the fence a person is on.

You're kidding, right? You cant possibly be the least bit serious, right?


Diane Feinstein had a permit and may still have one for when she doesn't have armed protection for herself.
 
We ve known for a long time now that Hillary was a marxist in her college days. She will undoubtedly proceed with the abolition of the 2 A if she becomes president. Whatever goes from there, who knows....
 
To me the primary deciding factors in a presential election - winning and SCOTUS justices.

For winning, we must vote together - at least in the general, we must come out of the convention united. We MUST VOTE and VOTE TOGETHER. Voting on principle is stupidly self defeating, if you lose. May have to hold nose firmly.

On SCOTUS selections, if it's between Clinton and Trump, no contest. Trump will be far better. I don't like it either but I'm sure gonna do it.

Clinton would be a catastrophe, the court would tilt anti beyond repair with damage beyond repair to the country and our rights. See above for nose treatment.
 
Apparently, that's because you didn't even try looking.

I typed 'trump' into Google: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trump
I then clicked on his website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
I then looked through the list under 'POSITIONS', and clicked on 'SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS': https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

You're saying that you weren't able to find that page? :confused:

Wow. I don't think there has been a general election in my lifetime with a more defined choice between candidates' view on gun rights as this one.

Please simply read the following pages and make whatever decision you think is best...

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

:barf:
Rudest post of the day.
 
Ted Cruz's position on guns, is indeed an A+ but he isn't winning anything and after having seen him do battle in courts and in front of committees over the years, I think we, as gun owners, need him in that same position fighting for us because he truly is impressive at litigating his stance. maybe as impressive as anyone i've ever seen.

Then I guess, if you are down to trying to figure out whether to go with the guaranteed anti-gun Hillary who brags about her F rating, or the guy who claims to be pro gun, but can't offer much proof, it should be a pretty simple and obvious choice for the better chance of a good outcome.
 
Diane Feinstein had a permit and may still have one for when she doesn't have armed protection for herself.

Lots and lots of anti-gun politicians, and Hollywood types are very pro 2A for themselves.
 
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