The preplanned push for gun control took off today

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Apparently there's a filibuster on the floor to introduce a number of bills on the terrorist watch list, ad infinitum. It's obviously the next stage after tipping their hand with the talking points that 16 news anchors were caught quoting verbatim, nothing really new there.

Check the media coverage and if you can actually phone in and talk to a live person in your representative's office then express your opinion.

It's just another stage in the race to President and shows that gun control will be a major campaign issue.
 
The gun control issue is always present. Sometimes it's just napping. Only takes one incident for it to wake. Yes, the Dems filibustered to the wee hours of the morning until they got what they wanted. Now we'll wait for the outcome of the vote.
 
I sent letters to my two Senators and Congressman but they are pretty strong supporters of the 2nd.
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Uh, no they aren't. Well, at least one of them isn't. Our illustrious Cornyn is the one proposing one of the four bills they took upon themselves to bring to a vote on Monday (Christ, barely a week since the bodies went cold, and months before any kind of rational response is possible). But don't worry, it's "not as bad" as the similar bill Dianne Feinstein has proposed.

Unless this is some sort of elaborate ruse, and Mr. Cornyn explains the gambit in very clear terms that make sense to me, I'll be wasting a lot of time working to get him unseated for the next four years. Having a senior-level congressman has its perks, but he's no different from Feinstein on national security issues at this point (both hawkish to a near-fascist degree in valuing safety/power over freedom)

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The preplanned push for gun control took off today...

It's just another stage in the race to President and shows that gun control will be a major campaign issue.
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And then tonight on the evening news (NBC; my wife and I watch it, but I am usually skeptical of their highly liberal perspective) there was a segment featuring CIA director Brennan announcing ISIL/isis is stronger than ever and is positioning "operatives"? farther afield to strike closer and closer to home, here.

I'd think this report might influence some politicos to snap out of their mental fog and remember how much more important our 2nd Amendment is in times like these.
 
"Mental fog?" This is the most coordination we've seen in the senate in a year or so; 'preplanned' is absolutely spot-on. When's the last time anything became an issue and its poster-child legislation got voted on within a week of each other? (At the federal level, not California/NY/NJ)

Even the Patriot Act and the first bank bailouts took longer than this.

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Interestingly NPR reported this today as something like, "Senator Murphy ended his filibuster after receiving a commitment that there will be a vote on bills to expand background checks and add those on a terrorist watch list to the set of persons blocked from purchasing a firearm. Bills that are unlikely to pass." It was so frankly stated I laughed out loud.
 
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Interestingly NPR reported this today as something like, "Senator Murphy ended his filibuster after receiving a commitment that there will be a vote on bills to expand background checks and add those on a terrorist watch list to the set of persons blocked from purchasing a firearm. Bills that are unlikely to pass." It was so frankly stated I laughed out loud.
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I heard the same report. There aren't votes in the Senate to pass a gun bill let alone in the House. I'm not sure why people get so worked up about this all the time. Political posturing on both sides.
 
Sam, that's what happens when you stop them cold even with 20 dead children available to wave in front of the cameras as an 'argument' for their worthless proposals. I sure hope NPR is right, for once.

BTW, my local affiliate had a 'technical' piece on today about gun terminology (assault rifles, semi-auto apparently needed explanation, etc.). Who do they contact, Chris Cox or Colion Noire or even some local gun shop owner? It was some lib-arts professor from Berkeley, whose name I vaguely recognize as hostile (can't seem to find it on their schedule). Did a decent job in describing things fairly, apart from claiming mag capacity directly drive's a weapon's lethality, and I could feel palpable pain in his voice as he matter-of-factly described how 'assault weapons' were an entirely fictitious construct based on cosmetic features that had little impact on anything. Sounded like an engineer explaining to the customer why the feature they requested isn't possible/doesn't work :p

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Adam Winkler is a very common source of info on gun tech and gun law for the NPR commentators.

He was one of the four panelists on the "On Point" program I happened to catch last night:
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Karoun Demirjian, reporter covering defense and foreign policy for the Washington Post. (@karoun)

Adam Winkler, professor of constitutional law and expert in the Second Amendment at the UCLA School of Law. Author of "Gunfight." (@adamwinkler)

Erich Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America.

Brina Milikowsky, chief strategy officer for Everytown for Gun Safety. (@brinamilikowsky)
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It was quite entertaining. While I wouldn't say Winkler is a friend of gun rights, exactly, he did seem to be very strict with himself to be as completely factual as possible. (Though I agree with barnbwt that I don't care for the exact way he defines certain things like "high-capacity magazine" (i.e. anything over 10 rounds).) Between his simple facts and Mr. Pratt's incisive comments, they utterly DESTROYED Ms. Milikowsky.

I was actually embarrassed for her. Point after point, caller after caller, she was left foundering with no comebacks worth a nickle. Someone would point out that "military style weapons are used in so few homicides that banning them is pretty pointless" or that "none of the proposals being floated would have even slowed this Orlando guy down for a second." And the host would say, "Brina Milikowsky, how do you respond to folks who point these things out?"

You could almost hear her gulp and look stunned. Long pauses and then milquetoast, fluff responses like, "...but I just want to live in a world where we have a government that's willing to do something, whatever it takes, to make people safer..."

It was worth the listen just to hear one of Bloomburg's ninnies get shredded.
 
Instead of crying for more gun control they should be offering more training. WE THE PEOPLE should be insisting on professional training to defend ourselves. Classes in every city, firearms to practice with and free ammo to shoot.
 
Hmmm... semi-automatic with high capacity magazine.... 30 years ago, that mean "machine gun" to non-gun folks.

Sounds like what almost every law enforcement officer in America carries today, and most citizens who carry.
 
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Instead of crying for more gun control they should be offering more training.
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For WHOM, the terrorists?

They're not on the side you think they're on.

Why do you think they're SO loathe to say "Islamist terrorist"?

This isn't about protecting gays (or anyone else who isn't inherently against western liberal democracy). They're now on a lower tier in the "victim pyramid" than Islamists.

This is 50% about disarming victims and 50% about doing ANYTHING humanly possible to avoid even the MENTION of radical Islam.

The gays just got thrown under the rainbow bus... only now it's painted solid Islamic green, with a big, black ISIS crest on the side.
 
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There's the far right and the far left, both of which make the most noise. But in between lies the masses and in our current day and age, I see more and more soccer moms and suburbanites taking CCW classes and picking up a firearm for their own protection. I don't see a new wave of gun restrictions getting much traction, but then again stranger things have happened.
 
The roll out of anti-AR-15 propaganda before the shooter's rifle was identified makes me believe it was pre-fabricated boilerplate propaganda awaiting the first exploitable crisis.
 
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The roll out of anti-AR-15 propaganda before the shooter's rifle was identified makes me believe it was pre-fabricated boilerplate propaganda awaiting the first exploitable crisis.
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Doubtless.

They remind me of Dinkins in NYC who responded to a stabbing of a tourist with a screwdriver by calling for... GUN CONTROL.

Like Holocaust deniers, the gun control cult are monotonously consistent in their odious opportunism.
 
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The roll out of anti-AR-15 propaganda before the shooter's rifle was identified makes me believe it was pre-fabricated boilerplate propaganda awaiting the first exploitable crisis.
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The fact that the guy didnt actually use an AR-15 didnt slow it down one bit.
 
The roll out of anti-AR-15 propaganda before the shooter's rifle was identified makes me believe it was pre-fabricated boilerplate propaganda awaiting the first exploitable crisis.
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I think the fact that both Feinstein and Cornyn are spearheading this thing is far more telling (both are senior senators on the Intelligence and Terrorism subcommittees, respectively) that the gun control putsch is a way to deflect from the intelligence and enforcement agency failures that seem to be climbing in number by the hour (I think we're up to like ten documented 'clues' this guy was serious trouble long before the attack at this point)

Conveniently enough, the gun scapegoat is Feinstein's favorite thing in the world ever, and Cornyn is mostly likely just certain that nothing will come of indulging this impulse not even one week after the attack (playing with fire to burn some evidence, as it were)

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One thing worth mentioning, is the four bills being proposed are going in as amendments to existing legislation (somehow I get the impression that without massive bottomless spending bills to stick onto like barnacles, no policy-oriented legislation would ever get passed at this point). This means that rather than a simple majority, 60 votes are required for them to escape the garbage can. I am not sure what the rules on filibustery for these types of amendments are (I think it's still allowed as they are proposed, but they might be able to cut the mics with only 50 votes rather than 60).

I still fail to see what is being accomplished by giving more airtime and soundbites to this issue, apart from distracting folks from the national security angle. Even stupider, I think a pro-gun message like the Pink Pistols' would serve the same function, while NOT given our opposition an opening right before an election :rolleyes:

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