Anyone have the cold steel smatcht

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Hi I was wondering if anyone has the cold steel smatcht I know a lot of people say it is not like the ones used in WW2 but I was looking at it and it like a cross between a Boiw and a brong so I was wanting to so if anyone has a idea of how it would do as a straight fighter also with a 14 in blad how do you think it would do as a c.c.w backup to my .45
 
A 14" back-up to your .45....??????

Seriously????

Do you know how long a 14" knife is??

Over-all length is almost 20", so it's going to be almost dragging the ground unless you are riding a horse!!!!

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The reason I was asking was I had seen a few people say it could be done and the reason I was thinking about a blad as back up was because of the hand to hand training I had done our teacher showing how in close in fighting a gun can be a problem from having to be hold on to it and run it also a gun can run out or go down where a blad can work faster
 
You don't carry a knife with over a 5" blade as a backup.

The only place in the modern world for a knife that large is to do things like clear brush. It is NOT a backup of any kind. If someone did a lot of work outside, and didn't carry a firearm, something like that smatchet could be pressed into service for defensive use.

To be sure there's no misunderstanding, I have been both a deployed infantryman, and am perhaps the most vocal fan of large blades on the forum.

You know, I just went back and read the original post again. You're seriously asking if you can reasonably conceal a knife that large every day? That's a joke, right?

John
 
A concealed knife as a backup to a firearm is a sound idea.

Just think smaller. Much,much smaller.

Unless you never sit, bend , twist, or crouch in your daily activities.[emoji6]


Edit to add this...if you are serious about a back up blade.

Think about your hand-to-hand and how you can incorporate a blade. How do you see it fitting in?

IMHO, I see a SD blade in three basic types. A slasher, a stabber, and a mixture of both.

All three will have different blade/grip shapes. Different defensive targets and methods of use.

Once you know which type fits your "style" and planned method of defense, then you will be able to narrow down the knife options.

There are thousands of choices out there.
 
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There are two many schools of thought regarding daily carry knives.
The first believes that a dedicated defensive knife is the way to go, and this knife should only ever be used for defense.
The second school of thought believes you are likely to use a knife even better if you actually use it on a daily basis, instead of just carrying it.

School #1 doesn't require the knife to be sharpened frequently, since it is only ever used in emergencies or after practicing defensively (because it would just be stupid to carry a defensive tool that one never practiced with, right?). The user will need to carry at least two knives, one for tasks, and the other for defense. There are potentially more legal consequences to this approach, since the dedicated defensive knife frequently looks like it exists to cut people.

School #2 doesn't require carrying more than one knife. The knife must also be a good shape for daily use, so is generally likely to be viewed as more acceptable if seen by ordinary citizens or law enforcement. It does require more frequent sharpening and knife maintenance.

In both cases, the knife in question should be easily carried and concealed and (of course!) legal where carried. This automatically means any knife with a blade over 4.5" blade is out. Any larger knife is just too cumbersome to carry on a daily basis.

John
 
OK thanks you all looks like I was way off I just started doing hand to hand training the guy that does our knife training teachers us to do both ways when we practice but it only been a few weeks since we started I know our teacher two favorite blades is a butterfly knife for a folder and a Boiw knife for a fixed blade but since I am just getting started I would love to hear from you all what would you all recommend I am thinking it will be a straight fighter and I am lining toward a fix blade also I really like a Boiw knife just from seeing our teacher and what he could do with his but most of the ones I have seen have been 6-10 in blad so maybe they are to big but if that what anyone uses I would love to be wrong
 
Let me back up: welcome to THR, and congratulations for taking responsibility for your own training and safety.

Here is an article I wrote 11 years ago. Maybe it will help inform your thinking.
 
I'll second the welcome to THR.

Sorry I can't be of any help with a Bowie.

What I carry is radically different in size, style, and use.
 
OK thanks for the link mad some good points but the thing I am wondering about is I always heard that fixed blade knives were fast and stronger but if you all really think folders can work I would be open to it when I get my c.c.w permit soon any knife would be legally the only two times i would pull it would be were a attacker was so close it would be a bad idea to go for my gun or something want really wrong with my gun and I did not have time to fix it I am not set on one kind of knife so anyone else feels like putting in some info I could use it fix blade .folder. blade size . Could use it all
 
The most effective defensive firearm for me is generally a short AR-15 type rifle.

It's just not reasonable to carry on a daily basis.

If I had to defend myself with a blade, I would like a fairly large one- it's just not at all reasonable for me to carry a knife that large during my usual daily life. Having quick access to your knife is more important than having a large blade. You also need to understand that fighting off an attack is much more important than killing the attacker. Just as with a firearm you "shoot to stop", the ultimate fate of your attacker is not your concern. Escaping the attack with honor is.

A fixed blade can potentially be faster than a folder, but only if you find a suitable small fixed blade, and a reasonable way to carry it.
 
I was thinking about having it in a cross draw on my left hip so I could get to it with both hands I have been looking would anyone know about a fix blade that could be the right size for what I am thinking
 
I am not set on one kind of knife so anyone else feels like putting in some info I could use it fix blade .folder. blade size . Could use it all

I am in John's #1 type. I carry two knives, one for daily uses and one for last ditch SD.

For a SD folder I have a Spyderco Matriarch 2, about 3.5" blade. Used reverse grip/edge out. The other folder is my daily carry Emerson which would make a decent SD knife on it's own.

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The past few months I have been on a karambit kick. Tryed out a few folders and fixed. I have smallish hands so finding one where my index finger isn't stretching to reach the retension ring has been tough.

This little Schrade SCH111 fits me pretty well, just under 3" blade.

I have been carrying it to the left of my belt buckle with a bit of paracord and a cord lock. (It comes with a ballchain as a necker)

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I don't know how you train or if these will fit in for you.

I practice knife systems based on Filipino Kali. Where I am "defanging the snake" aka biomechanical cutting, specifically targeting the joints and muscle groups of the arms, hands, and legs with slashing. No stabbing.
 
That carved knife is kind of cool don't think I have seen it before just to ask the style of fighting I have heard of it and there is a school in the next Town that teaches it from what I have heard it is a style that is heavy on knife and stick work is that what you have found
 
That carved knife is kind of cool don't think I have seen it before just to ask the style of fighting I have heard of it and there is a school in the next Town that teaches it from what I have heard it is a style that is heavy on knife and stick work is that what you have found

The knife system I practice is Kali based, transfers well to stick and empty hand.

However I am not truley a student of Kali. I practice Shaolin Kempo as a martial art.

One of our instructors does have Filipino Martial Arts background, and is a fellow knife junkie. He does knife training on the side.
 
The advantage to that reverse grip that dayhiker's demoing is that it's very hard to disarm.

The disadvantage is that you lose range with what is already a very short-range tool.

Fellow moderator and friend Sam Owens and I created a defensive knife, the ARK, that Spyderco is making. I do not suggest the ARK as a primary defensive knife for most people due to the ball (dog tag) chain carry, though Sam does occasionally offer a few handmade ones for sale with a Spyderco G Clip, which works great for concealed carry. The demonstration video, though, you may find useful, being geared towards pure SD with a small blade. (Also bear in mind that the ARK was built as an anti-rape tool, since both male and female troops are at risk for this in Afghanistan. These techs will not work against someone who just wants your wallet, since he has no reason to grab you.)


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Atlantis sank beneath the waves when someone dropped a Smatchet on it.

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I carry a 6" Cold Steel X2 Voyager and have for years . Open 13" I find no problem clipped in my jeans pocket . It's a SD knife I carry a CS Eland in other front pocket.
Their many people that carry a Bowie concealed . I know Lynn Thompson does. Least when I ve talked with him he has one on. I have carried my CS Trail Master concealed . But I need a better sheath Than one I am using . My KY permit covers these large fix blades . No size limit on folders in KY So good to go with out the permit
Their others on internet that carry large bowies .
Here is a bagwell bowie CCW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kXp5zGqwmw
 
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