Why did Uberti leave out the loading lever on the 1873 BP Cattleman?

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I notice that the 1873 BP Cattleman uses shotgun primers.

For import purposes, ATF draws a distinction between traditional match-, flint- and cap-lock muzzleoaders on the one hand and on the other those that use modern shotgun, rifle and pistol primers. I wonder if that affects the import of this revolver, making it more expensive to import, paperwork-wise?
 
Carl;

Where did you notice that this pistol uses shotgun primers? That's news to me, and a great innovation. I've looked around cursorily, and haven't found a reference to the priming type.

I think shotgun priming is way overdue for CnB revolvers. I've often thought of having a BP cylinder with 209 primers made up for my OM Vaquero. It seems like this pistol would fit the bill, for less money.
 
For some modern muzzle loaders I'd say that shot gun primers might be a good thing provided they can be put in and taken out easily enough. But for replicas of the old C&B guns I'll stay with the caps thankyouverymuch. The point of such guns is to relive the old ways. So the old methods should be maintained.

Perhaps this 1873 clone IS the "modern" muzzle loader that some want. But in that case remove the useless ejector and supply it with a loading press to use on the cylinder once it's stripped out of the gun. That would make it a lot easier to grab and work the base pin. And the external loading press would serve to cap and decap the 209 primers as well as ramming the bullets home.

As I understand it from looking at some British videos these guns also use a stepped chamber that only allows the bullet to be seated to a specific depth that replicates a .357 or .45 size bullet. This controlled seating means that they can use modern smokeless powders if desired. At least that is what it seemed like. Dorset Dave, can you comment on this aspect one way or the other? Or any other members from Britain?
 
Originally Posted by Dorset_Dave View Post
I have one and it's fantastic. I live in the UK and like people above have said it is the closest thing to a "real" SAA I can legally buy. I went to my local gun dealer wanting an 1858 and came back with a 1873, it was just THAT pretty!
Everyone agrees it's an attractive gun. But is it practical?? Wouldn't an 1858 make more sense.?

'Kid, did you miss the fact that Dave is located in the UK where muzzle loading handguns are the only handguns that they can have? And that these folks are further limited to shooting even these muzzle loading handguns only at approved ranges? No woods walks with the good ol' 6 shooter on your hip over there. And when limited to a regular range where there are tables or benches to load at it's not a big deal to drop the cylinder out and load it with an accessory press.

As for us over here in North America if we want to be able to load on the gun like you are insisting on doing then yes, it makes infinitely more sense to buy and 1858 or an open top Colt or find a decent Ruger Old Army.
 
Everyone agrees it's an attractive gun. But is it practical?? Wouldn't an 1858 make more sense.?

No, everyone does not agree it is an attractive gun. I have always thought it was ridiculous and have no use for one. If I want to shoot C&B I will shoot a replica of a gun that actually existed, like this Pietta replica of the 1860 Colt.

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Or my old EuroArms replica of the 1858 Remington New Model Army. This one has a conversion cylinder in it, but it is easy enough to pop a C&B cylinder back in and shoot it with Cap & Ball.

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Or shoot a real Colt Single Action Army loaded with cartridges filled with Black Powder. To my eye, these are much more attractive than the Uberti 1873 C&B revolver. But I live in the US, and am still able to own cartridge revolvers.

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So far.
 
You're out in the woods carrying all the stuff to load these things and you have to drag along a reloading press to boot. No thanks I have enough to carry.


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yep I love my heritage big bore's in 45 colt and my two 1851 colt navys in 44 even tho they are not caliber correct!! but am thinking on a new 51' navy in 36c for fun!! :)
 
yep I love my heritage big bore's in 45 colt and my two 1851 colt navys in 44 even tho they are not caliber correct!! but am thinking on a new 51' navy in 36c for fun!!


Or buy a Remington or a Rogers & Spencer and get everything.
 
Some member once posted an off the gun "loader" that consisred of a cicular bit of wood the diameter of a cylinder, two heavy washers, on ditted with screws modified so the heads were convexly domed and fit the balls in the face of a cylinder, a bolt sized to fit the above and the cylinder pin hole and a nut and two wrenches. Hardly a huge bulky loading machine and pocketable.

Sort of made one for my little 31 and used it once just for giggles. left out the screws with dome heads and seated the balls level with the chamber mouths so the cylinder could be put back on the gun and the loading lever used to finish seating the now precut/swaged balls. Rather liked it and keep meaning to make one for the .44s, but someone stole my round tu-it.

-kBob
 
Pietta Kid, I understand you're strong feelings on this, but, there are many cap n' ball revolver that have integrated loading levers.

Our European friends (of which there are many) like the guns to not have such levers, as they can't own a real 1873 cartridge gun and an inauthentic loading lever would only serve to wreck the looks of the gun for them. Plus, with many EXCELLENT of gun loading stands, one wouldn't even be needed.
 
Asked and answered. All members can do is give good answers, they can't guarantee everyone will be happy with them.
 
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