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Dixie Spiller and Burr kit

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lagerratrobe

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Thought I'd share my experience getting a Dixie Gunworks kit of the Spiller and Burr revolver completed. Having been very impressed with the quality of a Pietta Remington 1858 .44 that I saw at Cabelas a month ago, I decided to get a .36 with a similar design. The Dixie kit being a few dollars cheaper than the completed model, I went with it. I also happen to like kits, but I would only recommend getting one if you're comfortable filing and polishing metal. Since I could find zero information on what work a cap and ball revolver kit would entail prior to purchasing one, I hope others might find this post useful and be encouraged to try one too.

The gun comes fully assembled and packed in heavy oil. The barrel and cylinder are high quality steel and are well machined and blued. The trigger and hammer mechanism is well made and fits properly. I see no sign of stoning on the bolt, as I do on the 1858, but the cylinder locks positively and indexing seems good. The trigger feels amazing and the hammer is case hardened and fits properly in the cylinder safety notches. All the interior machining and fitting of parts is completed.

The trigger guard is not well fitted and in my case I believe it is actually machined too thin to fit the frame properly. More on this later, but I may ask Dixie to send me a replacement. Or I might figure out a way to solder some shim stock and refit. We'll see. This is the only part I'm not pleased with.

The grips are nice unfinished black walnut, cut oversize and drilled and fitted with the hardware needed to attach them to the gun. They are partially shaped, which should minimize the amount of material that needs to be removed. I'm not yet certain if this is actually a good thing in terms of getting them to look correct, but they feel nice even in their raw state.

The majority of the work on this revolver lies in getting the frame and trigger guard filed smooth and polished. The exterior of the brass castings are extremely rough and coated in scale. At a minimum, several small flat and half-round files are needed to carefully grind the scale off and smooth everything to the point where it can be polished. The work could probably be done with various grits of wet dry sandpaper, but I don't recommend it. Others more talented than I could probably do the work with a rotary and/or small belt sander.

I believe that this will be a nice looking and shooting pistol when it is done.
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Please keep us posted on the progress. I have looked at several of the kits and almost purchased one, but backed off. Good pictures. Good collection of files.
 
lagerratrobe

Well one things fr certain; you do have some finishing work ahead of you! I have put together a couple of black powder kits and some definitely required more work than others. Hope this one turns out okay for you and photos please when you get it completed.
 
@lagerratrobe:

Looks like nice project. I did a DGW 1862 Police kit 4 decades ago and it did not turn out to my expectations. My fault entirely.

I am a replica 1851 Navy .36 (and cousins) fanboy (Pietta), and as such, have not paid much attention to the S&B, although with the full brass frame that .36 must stand more punishment than, say, a Griswold and Gunnison .36 open top Colt copy, or a Schneider & Glassick .36 open top copy.

Since you started your project, I am probably going to ask a few questions of you as it continues. I have a 1955 book, "The Brass-Framed Colt And Whitney", written by William A. Albaugh III, which covers both the G&G and the S&B, exclusively. Although it covers the Griswold & Gunnison well, the majority of the book is devoted to the Spiller and Burr. I will delve into it more thoroughly as your project continues. It has a great amount of historical references and I would be pleased to assist you if you have any questions that I may be able to answer looking through the book.

Per your first pic, I see what appears to be two brass pins that secure the one-piece grip frame to the frame, as well as a pin on the frame just forward of the front of the TG. Am I correct? In looking at the few pics in Albaugh's book, I don't see them. Are those pins historically correct? (I am not downing your piece; rather, I am just trying to get a feel for the S&B as related to your pistol).

Insofar as it is a kit pistol, "The trigger guard is not well fitted and in my case I believe it is actually machined too thin to fit the frame properly."

I take the term "thin" as being it is narrower than the frame, insofar as your pic shows. If so, I think judicious sanding and files on the frame can cure that. It IS a kit gun. As it is (in the pic) the frame has a ways to go. If you are not going to swap parts from this pistol with another, just hand fit it.

I am not into defarbing at all, but if that is your wish, a kit gun lends itself well for that.

The cylinder, hammer, wedge, and screws look good to go.

Looking forward to the continuation of your work, sir.

Time to study the S&B tonight. G'night, sirs.

Jim
 
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I've been thinking about getting one of these kits it seems to me it would be a good project & you can get the fit&Finnish as good as you want it.so I say good luck and have fun with it ,can't wait to see more pics of it .
 
Good luck to you. As Cooldill pointed out there is very little difference in the price between a kit and a finished gun today. The only kit gun I ever bought was a .45 single shot percussion pistol in the 70's for $14.95 which was less than 1\2 the price of a completed finished one. Fired it a few times and finally sold it in the late 90's for $40.00. Kind of wish I still had it. Kit revolvers today do not sell for 40-50% of new like they used to, more like 85-90% today. If it comes assembled that is a lot better than past when they came as a box of unfitted parts, still a lot of finishing work.
 
The only kit gun i might recommend is the Walker, its over $100 less if recall correctly. A few months ago i bought a Pietta Colt Navy kit from Dixie, they never have free shipping and charged me $20 extra on top of shipping for no reason. So about $250. A few months later i saw a finished one for $170 on Cabelas site. I Strongly recommend not getting kit guns and not buying from Dixie. Anyways i look forward to the result, mine sure was a pain especially being a steel frame which came in about the same condition as yours.
 
Not much cheaper than a completed Burr.

My time must be worth more than yours.

I like you, Cooldill, but...

The guy is just trying to have some fun and maybe educate himself. I worked a 40+ hour week and had time to dabble in all manner of firearms, BP or other after hours. Maybe you are trying to make living at 80+ hours a week. I don't know.

Geez, give him a break. Everyone does not conform to your schedule.
 
Single tooth files and clean it with a brass BBQ brush. Steel brushes are bad for files.
Back up emery paper with a piece of brass. Keep it flat so as not to round any corners.
Start with coarser grade emery and work your way to finer paper.
Do the harder surfaces (curves, corners) first. The flat surfaces come later.

Have fun!
 
I like you, Cooldill, but...

The guy is just trying to have some fun and maybe educate himself. I worked a 40+ hour week and had time to dabble in all manner of firearms, BP or other after hours. Maybe you are trying to make living at 80+ hours a week. I don't know.

Geez, give him a break. Everyone does not conform to your schedule.

No no, now don't get me wrong buddy.

I was just pointing out the Italians don't really cut the kits down as much as they should, considering they leave all the finishing work to the customer.

If they were discounted quite a bit lower over the finished guns I'd see the appeal, but they're really not considering how much work the end used has ahead of him.

But, some people get off on that and that's fine.
 
Hi All,

Thanks for all the responses. I think I most definitely would NOT buy another kit, unless I was interested in doing the finishing myself for some reason. The difference in price between the 2 is almost insignificant and the quality of the finished Pietta guns is outstanding, way better than the $25 I saved by buying the kit. That being said, I am enjoying the process of getting this one completed. Like I mentioned earlier, I just found it surprising that there was so little information about what was actually involved in getting one completed. And I'll say that I don't know enough about this topic to to really have an opinion, but my experience with Dixie GW has been really good so far and I'd be fine with buying from them again.

As far as the piece being period correct, I did purchase a book titled "Colonel Burton's Spiller and Burr Revolver". It's a good book with respect to the history surrounding the manufacture of the gun and the difficulties of getting a factory running in the Civil War era South. I don't find it to be incredibly enlightening with respect to the gun itself though. It basically says that it was derived from the Whitney design. I appreciate the recommendation of the book by Albaugh, although I see it's out of print. So far, the only major deviation I see is the size of the relief on the frame to load caps onto the cylinder. (It's the place where the load gate would be on a cartridge gun, but I don't know the correct name for it.) All the pictures I've seen of real Spiller and Burrs have much larger reliefs cut out than the Pietta replica does. I haven't decided yet if I'll enlarge the area on mine, or not.

Expat, the "pins" which you mention seeing in my 1st pic above are actually casting marks. You'll see that they're pretty well gone now. You'll also note in the pics today that the front part of the trigger guard doesn'tactually meet the frame? There's a gap there that I'm not sure I'm going to be able to elminate just by filing. I think I'll solder some brass shim stock in there and then taper it back.

jmar, I could not imagine doing this on a steel frame. And then bluing too? No thanks.

4v50_Gary I really appreciate that advice. It's good to know about the single cut file and backing the emery paper with brass.

Here are the pics from today. This is as far as I could get without going crazy. I'll disassemble it and go at it some more in the week. I'm not interested in defarbing, per se, but I think it's going to happen as part of the polishing process. It appears this has a 2014 manufacturing date.
 

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Nice work lagerratrobe!!

And think of all those hand and arm muscles you are developing (not to mention skinned knuckles) as a unexpected bonus.

I did an NMA kit and a flintlock pistol kit back in my youth and have restocked a couple of rifles since.

In the late '60's, I even put together a whole Sharps Carbine from parts bought individually by mail order from Dixie, Bannermans and Weisz too.

All at my dad's workbench in my parent's basement.

I enjoyed working with my hands and pushing the envelop of my skill set.

It takes lots of patience to get it to look the way you want it but once you succeed, it is YOUR creation and the pride you feel is well deserved.

Please keep the pictures coming as we like to live vicariously now (fewer skinned knuckles that way!)
 
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Looks nice ,I will say that when u sand ur grips to be careful not to take to much off I made that mistake so I would sand a little then check the fit,
 
lagerrattrobe

Looking great! Keep up the good work and post more photos! I love it when a kit comes together!
 
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