Age of trustees in a trust and use of NFA items?

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In the state of Montana, under state law, you have to be 14 years or older to legally possess a rifle. Obviously it would have to be a gift or possibly a purchase from a private individual since the Gun Control Act (GCA) states that you have to be 18 years or older to purchase a rifle from or through an FFL. As the letter in the link below states, the "NFA is silent on age restrictions" so would it be legal for a 14 year old named as a trustee in a gun trust to be in possession of a suppressor on a rifle without the supervision of an adult trustee also named in that trust? This question is not academic. I set up a trust for a friend who has two boys 14 and 15. They currently have a number of suppressors that I transferred to them and they are all avid hunters. The dad wants to know if his boys can use the suppressors without his supervision. Good question.

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Considering the legal responsibilities and power to invest funds, engage in legal actions concerning the Trust, etc. I wouldn't think anyone under 18 could take on that responsibility. I know my opinion doesn't help you or give you any concrete info but just weighing in as someone who is regularly involved in Trusts. Montana should have a specific Trust Code that you can go through and see if there's more information.
 
That's an interesting question. I think the minimum age of possession of NFA weapons is 18, but I don't have any legal citation to back that up.

While the letter says "no age limit", it is referring to registration of a form 1 SBR by someone between the ages of 18 and 21. I would be hesitant to rely on that letter as proof that a minor of 14 or 15 years of age would be legally allowed unsupervised possession of a NFA item. Remember that those letters are not legally binding, even to the recipient, and the ATF can write another letter or even just change their mind at any time (Sig brace, Atkins Accelerator, shoelace machine gun, etc)

As a practical matter, I wouldn't expect a LEO to believe a 14 or 15 year old kid who said that they legally possessed the suppressor, regardless of the actual legality. I would expect at a minimum the kid and gun/suppressor would be detained until their father could be found.
 
That's an interesting question. I think the minimum age of possession of NFA weapons is 18, but I don't have any legal citation to back that up.
And this is the problem ... there's nothing in writing from the NFA that I can find stating any age limitations on possession.

Ryanxia
and Telekinesis, thanks for your responses. When I spoke to a lawyer here in MT a couple of years ago he made the point that MT has just about the lowest bar (no pun intended) when it comes to trusts. It would seem reasonable to me that if Montana law allows a 14 year old to possess a rifle, and that individual is a trustee of a trust that owns NFA items, I don't see how it would be a problem for them to be in possession of a suppressed rifle. As you stated Telekinesis, I could see an LEO making a call to the dad in the event that they apprehended one of his boys while they were out hunting or "playing".
 
I wouldn't think there being a problem with him possessing the item but rather being a responsible party in a legal entity such as a Trust. It is a legal document where the Trustee accepts responsibility for someone else's property and to adhere to the legal guidelines set forth in the Trust documents, I can't imagine a 14 year old can do that.

I would think the thing to look into is if a minor can be a Trustee in Montana regardless of the property. If they can, and based on the information in your original post, I would think he would be all set, but I wouldn't think he can be a Trustee.
 
Ryanxia, I sent an email to a trust lawyer here in MT a couple of days ago but have yet to hear back from him. I asked the minimum legal age of a trustee in a MT trust. I mentioned that the existence of the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act (UTMA) implies that there's no lower limit, hence the need for the UTMA in some circumstances. If I get a response I'll be sure to post it here.
 
I didn't get a reply to my email so I called the Montana law firm in question. I was told that a beneficiary of a trust in Montana can be any age, but a trustee must be at least 18 years old. So it would seem that my friend's boys couldn't be in possession of any of the suppressors without the supervision of an adult trustee listed on the trust. Rats!
 
Look on the bright side, if we pass the Hearing Protection Act then he should be all set for the suppressor and you'd just need a pistol lower with a brace for the short barrel AR/AK configuration.
 
Ryanxia, I think you meant to post that in a different thread. :D

So after calling the law firm earlier today, I received an email from one of the lawyers there a few minutes later. His response is shown below.

"Without my knowing the entire picture, my response should be viewed as a broad suggestion. You mentioned the Transfers to Minors Act. That would be involved if you wished to transfer money or other assets to a person under age 18. As to Trustee, I would not name a person under age 18, except to state that a particular person could become a Trustee upon attaining age 18."

So now I'm a little confused since he said "broad suggestion" and "I would not name ..." and asked the lawyer in question if this is MT law or just his practice of not naming a person under the age of 18.
 
"Broad suggestion" is probably the lawyer's kind way of saying

a) he didn't do any specific research exactly on the question looking at case law etc (you did say it came in very shortly after your phone call?)

b) he's not going to give you a real opinion backed by research unless you pay his hourly rate for said research

And/or

c) he doesn't want to defend a test case on the matter


Overall I'd take it as general guidance and leave it at that. Your friend's kids should still be ok to use the cans under his supervision.
 
Ryanxia, I think you meant to post that in a different thread. :D

Nope it was for this thread. :) If the HPA passes suppressors will be regulated as regular firearms meaning he should be able to possess it without his dad around, and if you put a pistol lower with a brace onto a short barrel upper it is not considered an NFA item therefore if his kid wants to go around in the woods on his own with that setup he would be able to legally.
 
Nope it was for this thread. :) If the HPA passes suppressors will be regulated as regular firearms meaning he should be able to possess it without his dad around, and if you put a pistol lower with a brace onto a short barrel upper it is not considered an NFA item therefore if his kid wants to go around in the woods on his own with that setup he would be able to legally.

Since I didn't get a follow up response from the lawyer yet I guess my friend's kids had better hope that the Hearing Protection Act passes sooner rather than later. However, since the act doesn't appear to have moved in over a year I'll tell them not to hold their breath.
 
It had effectively "died" under the current administration but it is considered to have a good chance to be enacted under the new Congress/administration. I'm a member of the American Suppressor Association and between them, the NRA and the citizens doing an email/phone call campaign at the right moment I think we have a very good chance of it going through.
 
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