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The gun grabbers in this country would love the government to use just such a facility in all our major cities. I agree the program has merit, just don't like where this concept leads us. Just my thoughts.
BOTH types of gun grabbers; the 'legal' and 'illegal' kind. The security measures needed would negate any profits left after building it (per CapnMac) , unless you're willing to sit on them yourself 24/7, waiting for the inevitable 'gun grabbers.' What kind of life is that?
Banks offer this same service comparatively cheap. It's called a Safe Deposit Box. (Though I admit I don't know if ones big enough for rifles are available.)
 
BOTH types of gun grabbers; the 'legal' and 'illegal' kind. The security measures needed would negate any profits left after building it (per CapnMac) , unless you're willing to sit on them yourself 24/7, waiting for the inevitable 'gun grabbers.' What kind of life is that?
Banks offer this same service comparatively cheap. It's called a Safe Deposit Box. (Though I admit I don't know if ones big enough for rifles are available.)
Are you saying it is legal to keep a gun in one's safe deposit box?
 
Personally I wouldn't
But my suggestion is that with any business you do a lot of market research build a financial model and create a detailed business plan.

Then if it still makes sense go for it.

And if you do I hope you do well
 
On the technical side of it, there are inert gas fire protection systems that would not damage contents (but do tend to be fatal, they operate by flooding a volume with an inert gas, replacing all the oxygen, so alarms are necessary).

Also, security cameras inside the individual vaults that go off when the occupant enters for privacy, but lets you know if someone is trying to break in via some way other than the door.

And while you can store valuables in safe deposit boxes (duh), most of them are too small for a regular sized rifle or shotgun, in my experience.
 
It is legal, and ATF actually recommends the practice for people who own NFA items and are moving to a state that doesn't allow possession:
Let me preface this by mentioning that I've drawn plane for 45 different banks, so I have some experience with the folks who own the vaults, as well as the people with the keys to the gate to the safe deposit area.

So, I'm really chuckling over the thought of wheeling an '07 Maxim in towards the concierge for the safe deposit area. No, really, my face hurst from smiling just thinking about it.
 
Ok, I went back and dredged through some FW Dodge comparatives--initially just out of curiosity on unit size splits, how many 5x, 5x10, 10x10 units most self storage units program. From those I refined my original in-my-head-only estimate numbers--you might could build the building for $175/sf, which would be comparable to Class A lease space prices.

For comparison, non climate-controlled space builds at about $85-125/sf; climate-controlled runs to $150-160/sf (you really need multi-floor to get the unit numbers into as small a campus as possible).

It's a little hard to get good numbers on operating costs--but, most self-storage places are investing in full security cameras, and full access control, and some sort of on-site human presence--so that's a wash, really.

Lets see, 200 units, 25 ultra secure, 50 super secure,, 125 ordinary secure. Let's call it 300sf for 5 units give 12,000sf in units, then 2000sf more for circulation space is 14,000sf facility space, round that to 15,000sf built. That's $3 million to build. 12,000sf of storage at, oh $1.75/sf is $10,500 per month in gross income at 50% rented. (You ought to get $2 for the super secure and $2.50 for ultra secure; but you might not). At, oh 45% overhead cost, that leaves you a net of $5775. Which is not going to work as a $3 million note is [looks online] $12,400 at 4% for 40 years.
So, you'd have to drive the build costs down somehow, and the operating costs (1 employee, 8 hrs, 7 days per week paid $15, costs you $20/hr x 56 hrs is $4480/mo) down, and/or get a lot more in rent.

Some tough sledding on this. I'm using a lot of worst-case to estimate this, too. Climate-controlled space in DFW is running $2-2.50/sf for ordniary security (access control, and you bring your own lock to the steel roller door). Offer true secured, near fire-proof storage, and you ought to be able to get $2.50-3.00/sf, which would be $18 grand a month at 50% rented.
 
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I'm thinking about opening a self-storage facility specially for pistols & rifles. Constructive feed back would be greatly appreciated. The basics would be a month-to-month or pro-rated fee. An annual fee would be a choice for a year's rental. Storage space choices would consist of individual safes that could hold 1-2 pistols, 8 rifles, or 16 rifles. Entry to the facility would be through two doors via a security key pad and video security in and outside of the building.
1. What would you except from a business like this?
2. What services and features would you be interested in?
3. Would you be interested in cheap lockers for a reduce price and/or a safe with burgular and fire protection for a premium price?

Were you anticipating this to be staffed full time or were you going to rely solely on the lock on the doors and the keys on the lockers to control access? If you're going to staff it, will be 24x7 so that I can get to my guns whenever I want or just 9 to 5 so that I have to take off work to get to my guns?

Passive security like keypads and cameras isn't going to persuade me because all that does is slow people down getting into the building and alert you when they have broken in (assuming anyone is watching the camera) so that I find out there's a problem long after my guns are gone. You would need active security to attract most clients - and you would have to pay your staff well enough that they didn't find it worthwhile to sell out to the criminals.

I can't imagine that you could build the facility with appropriate theft, fire, water, and environmental safeguards, cover your recurrent costs, deliver the level of security and service that I'm going to expect and make a profit. If you can formulate a business model in which this idea has a postive net present value, I think it is going to have to be a premium service so I think "lockers" will only be able to be described as "cheap" in relative terms.
 
Personally, I think its all in the marketing..

I wouldn't try to sell it specifically as "gun storage" as that could cause other issues for you (FFL, FEDS, Local PD's,etc) but rather sell it as some sort of "highly secure, burglary resistant" storage facility. With the usual exceptions, (whatever a basic storage facility prohibits). You don't care what they put in there. Maybe its guns, maybe its gold bars, maybe it some paranoid granny storing her hat pin collection... my point is, who cares whats in there.. Now your advertising could target gun owners... ad's in local gun rags, at local gun clubs, etc, just never specifically mention "guns" in your ad or business model.

Plus, if its billed as a "firearms storage" facility, that in my mind would not only increase the insurance risk, but increase the "interest" of certain bad guys,not to mention certain Law Enforcement agencies that could conceivably be watching the place 24x7 looking for leads. That alone could be a deterrent for a lot of customers.

What you should be selling is a higher level of security, kinda like a safe deposit box without all the hassles of going to a bank.

You need to discuss all this with an attorney and a CPA.... and as others have said.... location is everything.

Good luck!
 
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If you want Fort Knox, then you'll have to be prepared to pay Fort Knox prices. Here's a good place to see what the cost may look like for the security everyone on this board is asking for http://www.losaltosvault.com/specials.asp

It cost roughly $7000 per yr. for a 48"x 24"x 24". Since most can't afford this, customers will mostly try to seekout a cheaper service with good value. They'll ask themselves, "will I get better fire and burglar protection with this storage service at a reasonable price that's convenient enough to pay for it".

Honestly, what's the alternative if you CAN NOT or choose not to keep the firmarms at home. 1. Friends house 2. General self-storage 3. Bank safe deposit box. Option 1 and 2 will be inferior in terms of fire and burglar protection vs. a self-storage with 1500sq ft. class 2/3 vault, CCTV video, and biometric access. Regarding option 3, the bank does not offer 24hr access, does not have 24hr security guards, and the safe deposit boxes may not fit the rifles you have. Therefore, a self-storage with the features listed above may be a better VALUE even though it may not have a 24hr physical security guard.

This is how much I know so far. Calling a few places around the country that offer basic storage "locker" type, with basic building security is fully booked with a wait list.
 
I'll go back and read the whole thread later, but I do know of two instances where storage of firearms away from you is a real concern.

#1 - Military bases and visitors. When I've gone to do civilian work at military bases, I am not permitted to take my carry guns on base. The base visitor's center at Ft. Hood in particular recommended going to a certain local pawn shop which offered firearm storage for a fee. In my case, I just left my carry guns at home because the pawn shop didn't open early enough AND I didn't want to lose time returning home by driving to and from the pawn shop.

#2 - Decades ago when I was in tech school, it was school policy that anyone with firearms had to leave their firearms with campus police. You could pick them up to go hunting or shooting, but you couldn't keep them in your dorm. In that case, I'd prefer some sort of 24/7 self storage place IF that type of place would even be wise or possible.
 
As a few have mentioned, military bases come to mind. I spent three years on a guided missile cruiser in the Navy. Personal firearms could be checked into the ships armory for "safe-keeping" and checked out when you wanted to go shooting. After having a ding dong gunners mate screw up my super black hawk from fondling it and dropping it on the non-skid deck, I started keeping it in a lock box in my storage unit just off base. Well the Mayport humidity finally got to it and I had to send it out to be scrubbed of rust and reblued. Certainly a climate controlled safe storage facility that only I had access to would have been preferred. I have seen lock boxes offered at border crossings into Mexico, I bet there would be a market along the Canadian border as well.
 
1) Rented safes: Are you going to change the combination each time a different renter uses it?

2) Government RAIDS: How long before there is suspicion that some Perp has stored a crime gun there? They will come and cut open those safes....maybe more than one! There also could be crime contraband stuffed into your safes.
 
I would expect climate control, and high no questions asked insurance, and non cooperation with law enforcement under any circumstances, unless warrants, and lawyers were involved. Basically the same things you can get in a safety deposit box, but ive not seen many of those you can put rifles in.
 
Hate to poop on the parade or pile on, but unless you are metro area I don't see this paying the bills. A simple, functional lovkbox for those with kids is like 20 bucks. Those with collections have better more secure storage already.

It isn't a bad idea but I don't see it paying the bills.
 
Sounds like it would be hard to make the numbers work at prices the average guy would pay. If you had say a climate controlled storage facility that is paying the bills and you offered the gun storage as part of that business, I think the success rate improves tremendously. I think this will always be a specialty business and the volume would make it hard to be profitable exclusively by gun storage. For the most part people want to pay very little to secure guns even at home. I think there are more opportunities for short term (daily) locker type rentals in areas near places that a carry weapon is not permitted as some have already mentioned. Construction cost/rental space would be significantly less also.
 
One of the local gun shops I frequented before I moved had a locker system in the basement. It was essentially lockers like you find at high schools across the US inside of a room which was a vault. You didn't pay based on number of guns stored, but rather the number of lockers it filled. You provided the lock and kept your key. There was a requirement to have 3 contacts on the paperwork to retrieve your belongings in case you quit paying or whatever. They had the option to pay storage or provide paperwork showing that they legally owned the property (as in the renter was deceased and kids or wife etc was picking up belongings). It was a neat setup, and a few folks used it. A lot of soldiers used it while they were deployed. There was a lot of paperwork.
 
A mechanic I know told me this would work well near airports as many people that work there can't carry on the premises in the secure areas but like to carry to and from work and not leave guns in their cars.

Maybe a location like a rental car area nearby where you could pull up lock your gun then go park.
 
A mechanic I know told me this would work well near airports as many people that work there can't carry on the premises in the secure areas but like to carry to and from work and not leave guns in their cars.

Maybe a location like a rental car area nearby where you could pull up lock your gun then go park.
 
I just stumbled on this thread -I just stored my guns at the Whippany, NJ Gunsitters while I'm showing my house. FYI to all -They are under new ownership. A combat Vet took it over and totally rebuild the business. (hence the new website). They are now franchising locations and adding a new one every month. The new owner also started a non-profit for military- www.weaponsguard.com .They take donations and when military guys need to store their guns its free for them. These guys really have their stuff together. I'm actually thinking about opening one of these in FL when I get there.
 
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