Korean M1 Garands

The CMP was never going to get them. It was an importer that got blocked. There were bills introduced to allow the reimportation, but I don't think any of them went anywhere.

The CMP might get some Filipino Garands, though.

The CMP gets guns that were lent to foreign countries (such as Greece) and were still officially owned by the U.S. government. The Korean Garands, as I understand it, were sold to Korea and, if re-imported, would come back through commercial channels. This is what happened previously in the wave of so-called "Blue Sky" imports.

Apparently the remaining Korean Garands are not in good condition, since the better ones were already re-imported. In any case you won't find any bargains if and when the rest of them come back.

CMP is hopefully getting 86,000 M1 Garands from the Philippines which is a separate situation than the Korean imports.

I haven't heard anything since the original news stories a few months ago: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...m-receive-86000-m1-garand-rifles-philippines/

The coming generations of shooters will not be able to buy any CMP guns at all. There are only so many semi auto battle rifles available, once gone, no more.

After that the government will simply give away or destroy M16's with no recourse to selling them to the public, all because of politics. Nobody will discuss or allow removing the auto sears on them, disabling the pin hole, and then making them "permanently" semi auto. It's not the actual mechanical work that's difficult, it's accepting the results. At present too many influential shooters go right along with the ATF and gun banners agreeing "once a machine gun always a machine gun."

Goodbye CMP. It seems we'd rather see it fade away and our opportunity to own issue rifles go down the drain than reverse a simple political issue. We have seen the enemy and he is us.

Our grandchildren will never own a CMP M16 or celebrate the opportunity to buy a GM Hydramatic. There will be a day when - maybe - the last of the 100,000 1911's are sold, perhaps in ten years, and the CMP racks will be sold off and the stores closed.

If you oppose converting M16's to semi auto you support closing down the CMP. The next liberal administration will finish off what previous ones started. And you were warned.

Tirod said:

After that the government will simply give away or destroy M16's with no recourse to selling them to the public, all because of politics. Nobody will discuss or allow removing the auto sears on them, disabling the pin hole, and then making them "permanently" semi auto. It's not the actual mechanical work that's difficult, it's accepting the results. At present too many influential shooters go right along with the ATF and gun banners agreeing "once a machine gun always a machine gun."

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Given a friendly Administration, I could see the CMP selling M16 "parts kits" consisting of everything except the stripped lower receiver, and the auto sear, selector, hammer, trigger, and disconnector. You are right, though, in that the politics make this an unlikely possibility.

What will kill the CMP is not the lack of surplus guns for it to sell, but rather that competition from the commercial sector will make its operation moot. Who would buy a CMP M16 "parts kit" for, say, $400, when you could buy a complete AR-15 for that much from a commercial vendor? (We're going to see this exact same thing if and when the CMP releases those last M1911 pistols. At, say, $1,200 a pop, they're not going to be competitive with 1911's on the existing market, either in terms of collector guns or shooter guns. They may sell, but it's going to be a big yawn.)

I am shortly going to buy a special grade M1 garand and I will buy a cmp 1911 if they become available, but I doubt they will. I have no interest in a used up shot out semi auto'd m16 unless they were sold very very cheap.

Tirod said:

If you oppose converting M16's to semi auto you support closing down the CMP.

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The sale of rifles are secondary to the chartered purpose of the CMP, which is to encourage youth sports shooting. The CMP has publicly stated that they are looking forward to the day when all of the surplus rifles are sold.

What would be interesting would be if the CMP was allowed to auction off surplus NFA weapons using NFA rules. I imagine they still have BAR's and Browning Machine Guns as well as submachine guns. That would get some interest. It would require opening the NFA registry though.

I would rather see the NFA go away, but I think the above would have a better chance of happening (slim though it may be).

It's a true crying shame that such a good thing will eventually run out.

I have a 1943 with matching serial numbers and National Match sights.

It's in Excellent condition.

My dad bought it for $400 during the Assault Ban from a local kid who needed tires on his truck.

HA!

Considering that you can pick up a flat top AR for a little over $400, I doubt there's much market for mil-surp M16A1's without the full auto. It's neat I guess, but unlike anything made of machined steel and wood, it has no soul to it.

It was an import that got banned outright by King Obama.
"...if the CMP was allowed to..." One of their FAQ's is about M-14's. Answer is a very decided no. Anyway, the CMP only gets what the DOD sends 'em.
"...semi auto'd m16..." Never happen as long as the ATF is allowed to make laws by regulation. Once an MG, always an MG.

After my M16A1 statement, this sounds a little off, but again wood and steel have soul.

But I'd certainly trample old ladies to get a M14 from CMP.

Tirod wrote:
The next liberal administration will finish off what previous ones started. And you were warned.

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I haven't heard anything from the "conservative" Trump administration in support of any of the things you were talking about

Perhaps the labels "liberal" and "conservative" no longer represent what they used to when it come to the 2A. After all, the old adage would apply equally to both "liberal" and "conservative"; "Politicians prefer unarmed peasants".

Atla wrote:
...wood and steel have soul.

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Which is missing from polymer, aluminum and steel?

Wherein, then, resideth the soul?

MechAg94 said:

What would be interesting would be if the CMP was allowed to auction off surplus NFA weapons using NFA rules. I imagine they still have BAR's and Browning Machine Guns as well as submachine guns. That would get some interest. It would require opening the NFA registry though.

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Why? The Hughes Amendment (18 USC 922(o)) carves out an exception for guns that were "lawfully possessed" by May 19, 1986. Surely ownership by the government was "lawful possession." As if that wasn't enough, 922(o) also carves out transfers by an agency of the United States (which is what the CMP is). The registry would not have to be reopened for the CMP to sell machine guns. All that would be needed would be the political will. Unfortunately, no politician would want to be saddled with "ordering the government to sell machine guns to the public."

Sunray said:

Once an MG, always an MG.

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That's true, but, at least in theory, the CMP could sell machine guns if the NFA rules were followed. It could sell fully-automatic M14's right now as long as the buyers were willing to pay the transfer tax and wait for ATF approval. Of course the CMP won't do this because it has to answer to its political bosses.

We can't get them to sell us 1911's that the vast majority of American's have the legal right to own as is, and you guys think they will open a used machine gun store?

This is how I see gun control politics. Both political party's are just pandering on gun control. The Democrats talk about it because they think it wins votes in the city, but they rarely try to do anything about it at the federal level for fear of NRA dollars coming down on them. Republicans talk about defending it because there base demands they do, but they won't do anything about reducing existing regulations because that just gives the other side something to point fingers at them for without bringing many voters to there side. After all most gun people are already voting for them so who do they win over by pro gun legislation? As usual neither party gives a hoot about gun control, they just tell their base what they want to hear and we happily listen.

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The registry would not have to be reopened for the CMP to sell machine guns.

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Yes it would.
The transfer to a non-dealer "creates" a new MG.
The "agency" part of Hughes does not "register" the arms issued/sold/given to the putative agency. So, there is no "identity" on the Registry to "Form 1" to any one.

Only if B(AT)FE relaxed the Rule on "once = ever" could we get parts kits at least. Cut receiver M-14 "parts kits" would probably move briskly through CMP.

lol

You hand me any two weapons, one with wood on it and one with polymer. I'll tell you the wood has it the feeling of 'soul' every time.

That being said, I carry Glocks.

The CMP reportedly passed on the Korean rifles, twice, because of their poor condition.

That's pretty damn bad, they sell plugged drill rifles.

The CMP was not created to sell firearms. Selling surplus US military rifles was just a idea cooked up to fund the CMP instead of using taxpayer money. Decades of sales has created a huge trust fund that will allow the CMP to operate until after we are all dead. Once the CMP stops selling M1 Garands and carbines these firearms will not evaporate. Sales will just be individual to individual.

Just out of curousity is there a concrete reason why CMP won't be getting the Korean rifles? Many times in my life the thing that everybody says wont happen, is exactly what does happen.

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is there a concrete reason why CMP won't be getting the Korean rifles?

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Yes.
CMP gets its rifles as part of the DRMO (Defense Reutilization and Marketing Office) which is how surplus US weapons are disposed of (unless they are or were select fire).

The "Korean" rifles were wholly owned by the Republic of Korea, not US property on lend/lease. They were to be imported for sale to distributors, who would have sent them to retailers. Now, there is some fascinating scuttlebutt on how certain parties were not "cut in" on the deal, and since there was no "vig" there was no deal--the State Department kiboshed the import.

Weapons on lend/lease are returned directly to DOD, and are not, per se, imported. So, they go to DRMO. Anything automatic goes to the crushers and smelters; the rest go to CMP.

The later is really quite preferable. The gun plumbers at CMP will strip all the stuff they get and use gauges and the like to judge the arms. They replace barrels, stocks, dubious parts. Importers just sell "as is" to the distributors, who then sell "as is" to the retailers, then we, the public get them "as is." Which is where Blue Sky got the reputation it has today.

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Why? The Hughes Amendment (18 USC 922(o)) carves out an exception for guns that were "lawfully possessed" by May 19, 1986. Surely ownership by the government was "lawful possession." As if that wasn't enough, 922(o) also carves out transfers by an agency of the United States (which is what the CMP is). The registry would not have to be reopened for the CMP to sell machine guns. All that would be needed would be the political will. Unfortunately, no politician would want to be saddled with "ordering the government to sell machine guns to the public."

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The CMP is NOT an agency of the US government.......

Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.).