Cleveland Taco Bell employees shoot and kill armed robber

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http://time.com/4931674/ohio-taco-bell-workers-kill-armed-robber/

"No one has been arrested. The employees who opened fire are said to be two 19-year-old men and a 23-year-old man."

Don't you have to be 21 or older to possess a handgun in Ohio? Obviously I'm making the assumption that they used handguns rather than rifles or shotguns but I do wonder if Taco Bell management knows that their employees are armed. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more responsibly armed citizens and this is a win as far as I'm concerned, but it'll be interesting to see how this turns out. Taco Bell's corporate response is a bit cryptic and ambiguous. Saying that they were shocked by the robbery attempt and an offer of counseling for the victims of the robbery and for those that were forced to act in a manner that probably saved lives would have been a better response.

"A Taco Bell spokeswoman told Cleveland.com the company is "shocked" by the shooting and is offering counseling to employees.
 
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"Police have said two masked robbers entered the restaurant early Wednesday and ordered three employees to lie on the floor. Police say three other employees pulled out handguns and opened fire, shooting one of the suspects six times. The other suspect ran off."

I'm interested in the statistic that half of the employees were armed and were able to draw and fire... to say they were ready to defend themselves is an understatement!
 
Demonized. The news rags can print what they want. All I'm interested in is if the DA in their county deems it legal or not.
The news rags demonized the homeowner for killing 3 teens with his AR but he was vindicated by the DA and not prosecuted. That's all that matters.
 
To answer the OP's question, I don't know about Ohio, but Federal law requires one to have reached 21 to purchase a handgun from a licensed dealer. A person at or above the age of 18 can purchase or otherwise lawfully acquire (by private purchase, being gifted, trading for, or through bequest) a handgun even if he or she has not reached the age of 21 and, in nearly all states, may possess it in the same circumstances under which a person aged 21 or more may (assuming no carry licenses are needed.) Most of the "free states" follow the Federal laws' structure closely with their own.
 
There has got to be so much more to this story than was, or will ever be, reported.

Having three (young) armed employees in another area, and ready, when the robber entered seems to indicate a bit of foreknowledge on their part (either that or this restaurant is in a really, really bad part of town). Not one, but two, under 21 (minimum age for licensing in Ohio) employees packing? Humm ...
 
Old Dog, for all we know ALL six employees were armed and only the last three that the robbers didn't see had a chance to react.

Here in Alabama, not only is it legal for 18 year olds to own handguns they can even get carry permits! Don't know about Ohio though.

Edit: Met one 18 year old girl working in her parents Pawn Shop/Gun Store who had an Alabama handgun permit.
 
Taco Bell franchises?
These fast food chains put stores in or around bad areas. Then they want people to work in them. I would be armed too. I know I'm making an assumption it probably being in a bad area.
Taco Bell was shocked? Why, don't they read or watch the news?? I'm glad all the employees are ok.
 
There is nothing yet in the article to say that the three shooters were actually carrying the firearms just prior to the robbery attempt. It could be that the first three employees were "up front" in the restaurant, and were thus targeted by the robbers. The other three, somewhere out of sight, were alerted to what was happening, retrieved firearms from somewhere in the store and began their defense.

That's just a scenario possibility that came to my mind. Of course, post 9 by JellyJar has another good possibility..
 
I am picturing that Glock commercial where the whole restaurant pulls out their guns on the robber.
 
Sauer Grapes wrote:
These fast food chains put stores in or around bad areas.

Yeah, like the one at 5656 Eldorado Parkway, Frisco, TX, which is located smack in the middle of a zip code with a six figure median income. Really bad area with all the entitled people driving luxury SUVs trying to get in and out of the parking lot.
 
No matter what, I have a feeling those employees will be looking for new jobs, I doubt Taco Bell will keep them on.

As for the robbers, I can see Taco Bell saying: "While they may have tried to hold us up, they might have been repeat sales customers. Killing customers is bad for business."

Not to dis Cleveland, but aside from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, is there anything else there? Seems kind of a violent town.
 
Well, it is called a "Concealed" handgun permit. So maybe the policy was "Don't ask, Don't tell".
In our state, employees of private businesses may carry openly or concealed with their employers knowledge and permission while on company property. Also employers may not ban firearms in the parking lot as long as they stay in the employees vehicles. Having worked in a Radio Shack and two bars located in shady parts of town, yes, the unofficial policy was " Don't ask, don't tell, don't display," but the management tacitly gave approval to certain senior staff to carry and often carried themselves. This way, they could plausibly deny liability if said employees were involved in a bad shoot on company property or ran afoul of corporate.
 
No matter what, I have a feeling those employees will be looking for new jobs, I doubt Taco Bell will keep them on.

As for the robbers, I can see Taco Bell saying: "While they may have tried to hold us up, they might have been repeat sales customers. Killing customers is bad for business."

Not to dis Cleveland, but aside from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, is there anything else there? Seems kind of a violent town.
And no, having fled Cleveland 30 years ago, there is nothing worthwhile there- it is a postindustrial wasteland hole. Or at least it was then, can't imagine its gotten any better.
 
LOL, an attempted robbery happens and when there are multiple employees who respond, we are so dumbstruck that we think something else must be going on...more to the story.

Me, I am just pleased that there is finally a situation where there were multiple good guy responders who performed well, got the job done, and the good guys and any bystanders go home safe.

http://wgntv.com/2017/09/07/taco-bell-employees-shoot-kill-armed-robbery-suspect/
A spokesperson for Taco Bell told WJW that the location is a franchise store, and gun policy is at the discretion of the owner.
 
Sitting here in lovely Cleveland, Ohio suburbs I am waiting to see how this plays out. As to Ohio law?
Ohio law prohibits the purchase of a firearm by any person under age 18, and the purchase of a handgun by any person under age 21. Ohio law also generally prohibits selling or furnishing a firearm to a person under age 18, or a handgun to a person under age 21.
That is not limited to just dealer transfers but includes private sale. So actually this whole thing never happened. The truth is a good percentage of the shootings which happen in Cleveland, Ohio involve minors and minors includes those under 18 years old. These kids, for the most part, are armed to the teeth so to speak and they are not legally carrying a gun.
However, if you follow this Ohio CCW Application Checklist, you can make the process faster and easier. 1. Make sure you meet the basic requirements before applying for your Ohio Concealed Handgun License: You must be at least 21 years of age. You must be an Ohio resident for at least 45 days.
This is going to get interesting as it plays out. While no charges have been filed against the shooters it would not surprise me in the least if the county prosecutor brings charges against the shooters. We have seen it before in this county and we will see it again. We need to understand the culture of the greater Cleveland area and Cuyahoga County in general. Cleveland, Ohio has a single newspaper which made it a point to publish the names of those issued CCW permits every month. You would likely need to go to San Francisco, CA to find a city with a more anti-gun agenda. Wait, New York City would be ahead of Cleveland also.

So was the shoot a good shoot? Beats the heck out of me as I would never be in the area the shoot took place. Were the shooters legally armed? Not according to state law. Will the shooters be prosecuted? My guess would be yes, but it will take some time. This is just my take as I sit here in the lovely Cleveland, Ohio suburbs.

Ron
 
Sitting here in lovely Cleveland, Ohio suburbs I am waiting to see how this plays out. As to Ohio law?
That is not limited to just dealer transfers but includes private sale. So actually this whole thing never happened. The truth is a good percentage of the shootings which happen in Cleveland, Ohio involve minors and minors includes those under 18 years old. These kids, for the most part, are armed to the teeth so to speak and they are not legally carrying a gun.

This is going to get interesting as it plays out. While no charges have been filed against the shooters it would not surprise me in the least if the county prosecutor brings charges against the shooters. We have seen it before in this county and we will see it again. We need to understand the culture of the greater Cleveland area and Cuyahoga County in general. Cleveland, Ohio has a single newspaper which made it a point to publish the names of those issued CCW permits every month. You would likely need to go to San Francisco, CA to find a city with a more anti-gun agenda. Wait, New York City would be ahead of Cleveland also.

So was the shoot a good shoot? Beats the heck out of me as I would never be in the area the shoot took place. Were the shooters legally armed? Not according to state law. Will the shooters be prosecuted? My guess would be yes, but it will take some time. This is just my take as I sit here in the lovely Cleveland, Ohio suburbs.

Ron
Sitting here in lovely Cleveland, Ohio suburbs I am waiting to see how this plays out. As to Ohio law?
That is not limited to just dealer transfers but includes private sale. So actually this whole thing never happened. The truth is a good percentage of the shootings which happen in Cleveland, Ohio involve minors and minors includes those under 18 years old. These kids, for the most part, are armed to the teeth so to speak and they are not legally carrying a gun.

This is going to get interesting as it plays out. While no charges have been filed against the shooters it would not surprise me in the least if the county prosecutor brings charges against the shooters. We have seen it before in this county and we will see it again. We need to understand the culture of the greater Cleveland area and Cuyahoga County in general. Cleveland, Ohio has a single newspaper which made it a point to publish the names of those issued CCW permits every month. You would likely need to go to San Francisco, CA to find a city with a more anti-gun agenda. Wait, New York City would be ahead of Cleveland also.

So was the shoot a good shoot? Beats the heck out of me as I would never be in the area the shoot took place. Were the shooters legally armed? Not according to state law. Will the shooters be prosecuted? My guess would be yes, but it will take some time. This is just my take as I sit here in the lovely Cleveland, Ohio suburbs.

Ron
Do they still publish the Insane Dealer? Figured it would have been dead and buried long ago.
 
Do they still publish the Insane Dealer? Figured it would have been dead and buried long ago.
That paper was delivered to this house for about 40 years. Then as their agenda became apparent I ended it. Currently home delivery is down to about 3 days a week. I remember when Cleveland at least had the Cleveland Press, today the Plain Dealer is pretty much online and dying a slow death. They have yet to figure the people they are pandering to are not exactly the newspaper reading types. However, as far as a newspaper goes it is the only paper in town. The story of the Taco Bell shooting only ran once and it was brief. The evening TV news did a much better job of covering it. If the county prosecutor fails to bring charges against the shooters you can bet they will run another story pushing for prosecution. Their big thing was always "gun violence" but now, with opiate related deaths gun related deaths have had to take a back seat. Cleveland and Cuyahoga County lead the nation in the fentynal rage so they can't use gun related deaths as their battle cry.

Ron
 
I have to go thru cleveland to see a friend of mine out there... it is the pit hole of america, next to NY being the worst state to live in, if your a gun owner.
NY has the SAFE-ACT, i`m still trying to figure out who its saving. It has NOT worked, but the NY anti-gunners still think adding laws works... show me where.

Its sad when people have to defend themselves against these gangbangers, even if the tools you use are deemed illegal to the courts.
I say the good shooters should be praised, not braised, even if their gun wasnt legal, they saved lives. Isnt that a good thing to do...? I guess not today it isnt.
 
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