US To Ease Firearms Export Rules

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The Trump administration will make it easier to export sporting firearms by transferring responsibility from the State Dep't to the Commerce Dep't. Good on President Trump.


"The officials from multiple agencies, speaking on condition of anonymity, say the new rules will cut government red tape and regulatory costs, boosting U.S. exports of small arms and creating jobs at home.

"There will be more leeway to do arms sales," one senior administration official said. "You could really turn the spigot on if you do it the right way."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclusive-trump-administration-prepares-to-ease-export-rules-for-us-guns/ar-AAsen1I?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=HPCOMMDHP15
 
Now remove the executive orders that stopped Russian and Chinese imports- might go a long ways towards normalizing relations.

Could you just imagine the market if Norinco was able to export guns to the US again?? I wonder how cheap they could make an AR-15, there 1911s, SKSs, the list goes on. Would be awesome! If not, at least give us those sweet Russian AKs and the 5.45 surplus back!!
 
Could you just imagine the market if Norinco was able to export guns to the US again?? I wonder how cheap they could make an AR-15, there 1911s, SKSs, the list goes on.

If the shelves of stores that sell any other Chinese junk are an indication, they'll make them at least four times as cheap as an American made item and charge half as much.

Easy to turn a profit when you're paying pseudo-slaves almost nothing for their time and skills.

Maybe Walmart would start stocking Chinese ARs if they sell them for $199 complete....and still make a profit on them!
 
I'd like to bring up an item. The article seems to refer to the US gun manufacturer's ability to export firearms made in the US to other countries and that there wouldn't be as much red tape. The article seemed to make no mention of more importation of foreign made guns into the US.
 
"...how cheap they could make an AR-15..." Norinco doesn't make 'em. Highly unlikely they'd spend the money for the tooling either.
"...I want more IMPORTS..." Isn't about imports. It's about increasing exports. The Donald seems to think there's an imbalance of trade between the U.S. and your trading partners. He's a real estate guy who doesn't know squat about trade balances.
China was being punished for human rights issues by King Obama. Supposedly. Reality was he didn't want inexpensive M-14 copies, Stateside. Neither did SA Inc.
 
Wouldn't Trump only comply with the lobbyists pleadings for the US gun industry? It seems very hard to imagine more than a very slim chance of Chinese guns being imported again, unless it's allowed as incentive for the PRC to find some way to stop further ICBM (or missile guidance with conventional warheads) progress by North Korea's "Rocket Man".

It would be extremely cool to have some major price discounts on "Norinco" 5.56 rifles and magazines, if triggers are similar to MAK 90 triggers.
I might Only Then consider selling/trading my 100% Unconverted Saiga in .223/5.56. It's my only .223 gun.

Even to have access to loads of Bulgarian and Polish AKs designed for the US market (not just via Atlantic Arms etc) could help support our allies over on the Russian Buffer Zones, along with original Czech VZ-58s at a sharp discount.
 
I thought the Chinese M-14 importation bans went back to the 1990's.

A good Chinese AK might be good, but I really doubt they would do so well with everything. But, if there is one common thing about many US gun buyers, they really like cheap stuff (I do also). I think Taurus and lower priced manufacturers like that would be more likely to feel the heat as well as domestic makers of the cheaper AK's.

Also, I really doubt new manufacturer Chinese guns would be near as cheap today as they were 30 years ago. China's cost of living has gone up since then. Still cheaper than US made AK's certainly.
 
I mostly stay away from Chinese made guns. Might be able to make some AR's for cheap. They certainly already make them and export them. But we as Americans pay the price for it. Even if the quality is high for the products.
Believe that I saw some sort of AR clone being sold by China to the Philippines.

Norinco has the problem of PLA (Chinese Army) ownership which is also supporting N. Korea. Unlikely right now for the tap to be turned back on from that country.
 
"...how cheap they could make an AR-15..." Norinco doesn't make 'em. Highly unlikely they'd spend the money for the tooling either.
"...I want more IMPORTS..." Isn't about imports. It's about increasing exports. The Donald seems to think there's an imbalance of trade between the U.S. and your trading partners. He's a real estate guy who doesn't know squat about trade balances.
China was being punished for human rights issues by King Obama. Supposedly. Reality was he didn't want inexpensive M-14 copies, Stateside. Neither did SA Inc.

Nope,
G.H.W. Bush banned the Polytech M14 clone rifle using the 1968's GCA authority as lacking use in sporting purposes in 1989. Went back and checked via Wikipedia. Bill Clinton banned the Norinco line other than shotguns and the like.
"Norinco
The Chinese firm Norinco manufactures two versions of the M14 rifle known as the M14S or M305.[42] These rifles have been banned from importation (1989 for all Polytech rifles) and (1994 for Norinco rifles) to the U.S., due to a Clinton era prohibition on Chinese made firearms. They are commonly sold and are popular in Canada for hunting and target shooting.

Polytech Industries
Polytech Industries of China made an unlicensed version of the M14 rifle known as the M14S. Polytechs, unlike Norinco rifles, were all banned in the 1989 firearm importation ban by the President George HW Bush administration.[43]"

And by the way, you are wrong about Norinco not making and selling clones of the AR--they just sell them elsewhere such as the Philippine Islands.

Via the Firearm Blog
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/17/chinese-arms-shipments-philippines/
 
China wouldn't appreciate it, but we COULD always open imports from everyone BUT China (which would drop AK prices back to reasonable levels without totally killing the domestic market for other models)... of course they (China) would still find ways to sneak stuff in through distributors/intermediate buyers, if we did that (no doubt they already are, to a certain degree).
 
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What implications would moving "weapons like assault rifles and handguns from State's tightly restricted Munitions List to the Commerce Control List (CCL)" have for ITAR?

Mike
 
Mizzou wrote:
The article seemed to make no mention of more importation of foreign made guns into the US.

That's because the administration is not taking steps to bring in more foreign-made guns.

YOU might want cheap foreign-made guns coming into the country to compete with domestically-produced guns, but the gun manufacturers in the U.S. don't want that.
 
armoredman wrote:
Now remove the executive orders that stopped Russian and Chinese imports- might go a long ways towards normalizing relations.

Unlikely.

No nation on earth considers its small arms industry to be amongst it's "vital national interests".
 
Jim Watson wrote:
I want more IMPORTS so I can see all the neat foreign guns.

Not likely to happen any time soon.

More imports means more competition cutting into the sales of the domestic manufacturers. And with the industry already suffering through the "Trump slump" putting more pressure on their revenues would not be a good move right now.

In fact, what I think might be more likely (although still remote) given how much the President likes to talk about bringing jobs back to the U.S. is further restrictions on the importation of new guns with a requirement that if you're a foreign gun maker, you have to assemble the guns here in the U.S. and they have to have a specified percentage of domestic content, like say, 70%.
 
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They would also be a target for the same kind of safety engineering that SIG now has recover from - tell me how an inexpensive Chinese gun will pass not only the current standards but the new ones imposed by consumers - that the gun must always go off when you pull the trigger, but never go off when abused. Emphasis on "never." Not even once.

We don't trust the current makers to supply "drop safe" firearms - but we want to buy more guns from known cost cutters who under engineer things? Yes, China does make good products, but we aren't talking about those, it's the substandard junk bought up by the conex load by hucksters who see us as ignorant marks to be fleeced.

Plenty of that going on right now, add a layer of cheap guns to it and you have lines of new buyers toting their Chinese "Glok" out the door for $199. We will shortly be discussing collector grade Hi Points and the awesome score we made on GB buying one.

Glad I bought all metal guns already. Gerber made the first FRN handled knives, good quality, Glock did the same with polymer frames, but a bucket of guns at the checkout counter for $24.88 could be the result if we let this play out. : )
 
They would also be a target for the same kind of safety engineering that SIG now has recover from - tell me how an inexpensive Chinese gun will pass not only the current standards but the new ones imposed by consumers - that the gun must always go off when you pull the trigger, but never go off when abused. Emphasis on "never." Not even once.

We don't trust the current makers to supply "drop safe" firearms - but we want to buy more guns from known cost cutters who under engineer things? Yes, China does make good products, but we aren't talking about those, it's the substandard junk bought up by the conex load by hucksters who see us as ignorant marks to be fleeced.

Plenty of that going on right now, add a layer of cheap guns to it and you have lines of new buyers toting their Chinese "Glok" out the door for $199. We will shortly be discussing collector grade Hi Points and the awesome score we made on GB buying one.

Glad I bought all metal guns already. Gerber made the first FRN handled knives, good quality, Glock did the same with polymer frames, but a bucket of guns at the checkout counter for $24.88 could be the result if we let this play out. : )


Tirod,

Thanks for that mental image. I will now have nightmares tonight given what foreign manufacturing has done to old line U.S. knife manufacturers. I can just see Khyber Pass quality polymer firearms on the shelves.

My dad, rest his soul, used to be a dealer for Schrade and Case knives at his store. I am sure he is rolling in his grave.
 
We exported some Remington .22 short ammo to Brazil 4 decades ago. It required an export license from the State Dept.
 
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