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Took my dogs for a walk on the canyon rim today, less than five minutes from the house we are in the junipers and sage above the Rio Grande in New Mexico. Looked at my .38 on my desk, said naaah, it's daylight and the coyotes are deep in the woods.

Before this, driving home, I noticed an empty police car near the grocery I had just visited. Then, a few blocks later, there were several cars parked in the lot of the car repair shop, next to the bank. Story continues...

So, sans pistol, or really anything other than a few rocks I picked up, my Leatherman tool, and two leashes, I am hiking my dogs along the trail and hear a helicopter in the distance. Hmmm, says I, it's circling that car shop next to the bank. Circles got larger, pretty soon flying low over where I was walking. It became quite clear that there was a search going on related to that passel of squad cars parked at the car shop. It was also clear that a runner might well head my way, or generally into the park, to escape the search. And me, out for a walk out where a fugitive bank robber on foot might want to roam. Found out about the bank part once I got to the dog park with my Airedales.

I realized that a chance encounter could be less than optimal, me without a shooter and not exactly suited for anything hand-to-hand. I like to think my dogs would come to my aid, as being set upon by two Airedales would be very unpleasant, but I can't exactly place much confidence in something I have seen no sign of yet. Got home by walking a pretty wide-open track to the house, figuring that if there was a BG out there he'd be hiding, not accosting some guy with two big terriers.

But all in all, I came to a realization of my defenselessness without a gun. I am 60, not particulary muscular, have a heart condition and the related lack of fitness, and have two toothy dogs that would rather lick than tooth. No more walks without the gun. And, even though the snubby hides well in my pocket, I will carry my CZ75, since it makes me look like a good shot and it has three times the bang as my LCR. No more walks in the out and about without a gun, nor visits to towns in the valley. And, they don't provide much defense in the safe, so some of the pistols will be at reach in the house. I know all this, and have known it for years. It just took feeling naked to make it real.
 
I also have a bad heart, really bad arthritis and am 70 years old. There is no way I can go toe to toe with a 20 something thug and no way I could out run one. If a dangerous situation ever arises I will do my best to get out of the area to avoid a confrontation. If I can't the only alternatives I have is to let him beat the crap out of me possibly suffering severe or fatal injuries or use my firearm. Not real good choices. When I leave the house I have my pistol on me, the only exception is when I have to go onto Fort Campbell where you can't bring a weapon on post. I don't go around in constant fear of attack or looking for black helicopters but I also don't drive long distances in my car with no spare tire. Even though the statistics show that the possibility of me being in such a situation are remote, it would suck to be that small percentage in the statistics that will be attacked.
 
Took my dogs for a walk on the canyon rim today, less than five minutes from the house we are in the junipers and sage above the Rio Grande in New Mexico. Looked at my .38 on my desk, said naaah, it's daylight and the coyotes are deep in the woods.

Before this, driving home, I noticed an empty police car near the grocery I had just visited. Then, a few blocks later, there were several cars parked in the lot of the car repair shop, next to the bank. Story continues...

So, sans pistol, or really anything other than a few rocks I picked up, my Leatherman tool, and two leashes, I am hiking my dogs along the trail and hear a helicopter in the distance. Hmmm, says I, it's circling that car shop next to the bank. Circles got larger, pretty soon flying low over where I was walking. It became quite clear that there was a search going on related to that passel of squad cars parked at the car shop. It was also clear that a runner might well head my way, or generally into the park, to escape the search. And me, out for a walk out where a fugitive bank robber on foot might want to roam. Found out about the bank part once I got to the dog park with my Airedales.

I realized that a chance encounter could be less than optimal, me without a shooter and not exactly suited for anything hand-to-hand. I like to think my dogs would come to my aid, as being set upon by two Airedales would be very unpleasant, but I can't exactly place much confidence in something I have seen no sign of yet. Got home by walking a pretty wide-open track to the house, figuring that if there was a BG out there he'd be hiding, not accosting some guy with two big terriers.

But all in all, I came to a realization of my defenselessness without a gun. I am 60, not particulary muscular, have a heart condition and the related lack of fitness, and have two toothy dogs that would rather lick than tooth. No more walks without the gun. And, even though the snubby hides well in my pocket, I will carry my CZ75, since it makes me look like a good shot and it has three times the bang as my LCR. No more walks in the out and about without a gun, nor visits to towns in the valley. And, they don't provide much defense in the safe, so some of the pistols will be at reach in the house. I know all this, and have known it for years. It just took feeling naked to make it real.


Sounds to me like you "dodged a bullet" so to speak.

And sounds like you are correcting that mistake in a good way.

I am 70,in pretty good shape and I CCW at ALL TIMES.

Just left range a few hours ago,6 pistols and about 250+ rounds.

Be safe and be ready.
 
Quite a few people have stories about the time they should have had a gun, but didn't. One example I can think of in my life happened many years ago on an open space trail near Fort Collins, Colorado. I was out there with the girl I was dating at the time, and we ran into some guy that was completely out of his mind. He honed in on us right away, and kept dangerously encroaching on our comfort zone (and following us) while talking complete nonsense and seeming somewhat enraged. The guy had a knife on his belt, and probably had a good 20 pounds on me in body weight.

From an odds perspective I wasn't in a really terrible position. For starters, there were two of us, and one of him, and I definitely had youth and athleticism on my side. I'm also a career police officer, and this incident happened early in my career when I was definitely in about the best shape of my life. I'm not an MMA fighter, but I generally like my odds in most fights against the average Joe. But, this guy was definitely larger than me, definitely crazier than me, and had a knife at his disposal... I don't like where that game of "paper, rock, scissors" goes. We talked our way out of that situation without any further drama, but it was a reminder that bad situations can pop up pretty much anywhere.

Another example: an academy instructor I had when I was first becoming a cop told us of the time he left his gun at home because he was just walking to the corner pizza shop to pick up a pizza... which then got robbed while he was there without his gun.
 
Had to fight off 2 aggressive pit bulls in my driveway with a garden rake, the whole time thinking there's an arsenal big enough to defeat an alien/zombie/German invasion not twenty feet away......but not doing me any good at the moment.
Now, I don't even mow my lawn with out my trusty, well-worn Sig P6. It rides well in the old German (haha, I know) duty belt/holster I got for it- prominently displayed of course. Fortunately, I'm in the county here and can open carry on my own land.
Still keep the rake handy too- for backup........
 
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We have unsuspecting retirees go walking with pets in the forest and have a bad encounter. Think they know enough to pack? Sometimes not, especially if they are new to the area and not familiar with firearms. They like nature but don't believe they might be in danger. I often go shoot in the forest and make sure I have something of substantial caliber.

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My philosophy is that if you're going to carry, it makes sense to carry all the time, wherever you go. Just as I buckle my seat belt the moment I get in my car, no matter if I'm going on a 100 mile trip or just around the corner, I also carry a gun everywhere I can legally and logistically (I don't carry while working out at the gym, for example; it's not really practical for me). That's why I usually carry a Glock 42 in a secure but easily-removable holster, it's more important to me to always have a gun on me than to have a bigger, more effective gun that I don't carry all the time because of comfort or because I'm worried about it printing.
 
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It's almost certainly too late to change now. Statistically speaking, you're unlikely to ever be in that kind of situation again.

I'm not directing this at you in specific, just some general comments.

The chance of needing a firearm, in one's lifetime, to defend one's self outside of the home, is small--even police officers can go for an entire career and never need to use their firearm. Those who carry a gun outside of their home with an eye to preventing an attack are fooling themselves if they think they can do so once in awhile, only when they're doing something/going somewhere "dangerous" and still have any realistic chance of having a firearm when they need one.

Think of it like this. Once or twice in your lifetime there will be a guy outside your house when you step outside. When that happens, he's going to flip a coin and if you don't have a coin to flip, or if your coin flip result doesn't match his, he's going to kill you. Now, imagine that you only carry a coin outside the house on rare occasions when you "feel" that the man might be there.

People who have decided to carry a firearm outside the home to prevent an attack need carry it ALL the time. Not just when it's convenient, not just when it's comfortable, not just when they "feel" like it might be a good idea, not just when they're going somewhere "dangerous", not just when they're doing something risky, not just while in the car, not just when they're going to be out of the house for a long trip. ALL THE TIME.

Even then the chances of ever needing it are small--but at least it will be there in the unlikely event that it is needed. Trying to match up a possible need by guessing in advance when to carry and when to leave the gun at home is not a productive strategy.

One reason I carry any time that it is legal to do so is because it would be such a tremendous waste to have spent all the money, time and effort developing the skill to shoot a handgun well, acquiring and maintaining a carry permit, buying holsters, learning to carry concealed, learning the legalities involved with the use of deadly force and carry...and then not having the handgun the one time I really needed it.

Why are you carrying? If it's because you like the feeling of being able to carry any time you feel like it then just carry when it's convenient or when you want to enjoy the feeling of having a gun on your hip. If you are doing it because you want the gun to be there when you need it, then carry it all the time.
 
It's almost certainly too late to change now. Statistically speaking, you're unlikely to ever be in that kind of situation again.

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The chance of needing a firearm, in one's lifetime, to defend one's self outside of the home, is small--even police officers can go for an entire career and never need to use their firearm. Those who carry a gun outside of their home with an eye to preventing an attack are fooling themselves if they think they can do so once in awhile, only when they're doing something/going somewhere "dangerous" and still have any realistic chance of having a firearm when they need one.


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Sorry to be a poor loser,but as a retired LEO -------- I found it required too many times to number while on duty [ and a few off duty ] to draw and 'present' my duty gun.

And in the modern times,I see the only reason for that to no longer be THE thruth = the nation is so P.C. that in my agency to even put your hand on your gun = REQUIRES a "use of force" report !.

So the modern LEO is forced to be FAR behind the '8' ball when the SHTF..

Worked in a smaller city that had lots of traffic,both foot,vehicle & drug.
 
Sorry to be a poor loser,but as a retired LEO -------- I found it required too many times to number while on duty [ and a few off duty ] to draw and 'present' my duty gun.
Right. I didn't mean to imply that all police officers go their entire career and never draw their gun--obviously many do have to use their firearms. But it is true that some can go their entire career and never need to draw their gun. I've seen more than one officer make that exact comment about their own career.
 
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But it is true that some can go their entire career and never need to draw their gun. I've seen more than one officer make that exact comment about their own career.

I knew them too, if they didn't drive a desk they were the type that never stuck their necks out. The latter usually tried to find a desk job or always responded slowly. Even Barney was once told to draw his gun by Andy in an episode.
 
I knew them too, if they didn't drive a desk they were the type that never stuck their necks out. The latter usually tried to find a desk job or always responded slowly. Even Barney was once told to draw his gun by Andy in an episode.
The point is that if a police officer can go an entire career and never draw their gun AND survive, it does sort of put things into perspective for those who don't actually have to confront criminals as part of their daily routine.

It is likely that many of us will go through our lives without ever needing a gun to ward off a criminal attack. It highlights the fact that if we want to have a gun on the one or two occasions that we might actually need it out of a lifetime, the only reasonable strategy is to carry it all the time. Waiting until after something scares us badly, or until we've actually had a violent criminal encounter and only THEN starting to carry regularly isn't a reasonable strategy.
 
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IME, I find I'm hell and gone away from the house, too, when something I didn't bring suddenly
crops up as necessary.
 
The point is that if a police officer can go an entire career and never draw their gun AND survive, it does sort of put things into perspective for those who don't actually have to confront criminals as part of their daily routine.

It is likely that many of us will go through our lives without ever needing a gun to ward off a criminal attack. It highlights the fact that if we want to have a gun on the one or two occasions that we might actually need it out of a lifetime, the only reasonable strategy is to carry it all the time. Waiting until after something scares us badly, or until we've actually had a violent criminal encounter and only THEN starting to carry regularly isn't a reasonable strategy.


All good points.
 
First of all John K, great analogy with the coin toss. I liken it to the chances of winning life changing money in the lotto, I know relatively few people that regularly carry a defensive firearm, but I know lots of people who buy their lotto tickets every week. Many would walk to the 7-11 in a blizzard to get ticket before the drawing if they had to, but would not dream of carrying. The odds are similar, but thinking about winning big money is fun, thinking about fighting for your life is unpleasant. Its a very hard point to get across, even among people who come to class to get a CCW, so many of them have no intention of actually carrying on a regular basis.
Keep on evangelizing.
 
I hear about too many "dodged bullets." Gas stations, apartment complexes, housing developments, department stores. Places I have been to days or even hours before being robbed or otherwise invaded. I had gotten off work one morning and got gas on my way out of town. Less than half an hour later they had a failed armed robbery where the gunman was shot by police after a panic button alarm.
 
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