JeeperCreeper
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Good call, JC. Good call.
Maybe... I guess the M4 fake is more real than the MP5 fake... You want the more real fake
Ok, why do people spend 15hundred+, for a semi auto copy of a machine pistol?
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Maybe... I guess the M4 fake is more real than the MP5 fake... You want the more real fake
tark
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I buy them because I know it irritated Liberals.
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Maybe... I guess the M4 fake is more real than the MP5 fake... You want the more real fake
True enough.
1911 guy
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I've never understood the allure of anything larger than a handgun to be chambered in a handgun cartridge. More weight and bulk with no increase in power? No thanks.
But people buy them all the time. Some people love them. More power to them. Why do people buy John Deere tractors when International has made better tractors for 70 years? Because people latch onto something for their own reasons. Those reasons are often valid in their individual circumstances.
I don't "get" a lot of stuff i see for sale, guns or household goods, or whatever. But someone somewhere wants that item. I'm content to let them have it. If manufacturers made only guns I liked, the world would be full of 1911 pistols, AR-15 and bolt actions rifles and 12 gauge shotguns. No double barrels because i prefer pumps or auto-loaders. And all of you would be sad because I'm sure your collections of guns are more varied than mine.
But people buy them all the time. Some people love them. More power to them. Why do people buy John Deere tractors when International has made better tractors for 70 years? Because people latch onto something for their own reasons. Those reasons are often valid in their individual circumstances.
I don't "get" a lot of stuff i see for sale, guns or household goods, or whatever. But someone somewhere wants that item. I'm content to let them have it. If manufacturers made only guns I liked, the world would be full of 1911 pistols, AR-15 and bolt actions rifles and 12 gauge shotguns. No double barrels because i prefer pumps or auto-loaders. And all of you would be sad because I'm sure your collections of guns are more varied than mine.
Blkhrt13
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Cause some folks just like to have something fun. Even if some find it impractical.
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Tommygunn
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I've handled semi and full auto Thompsons. The only difference is lack of selector switch, and the 16 inch barrel makes it slightly heavier, but no really noticeably so. The bolt on the semis have been significantly altered and are actually more "Glock-like" than original Thompsons, which before the M1 version appeared were complex. The M1 and the M1A1 especially had simpler bolts.
They were good for cqb and clearing enemy held towns.....but then so was the M1 carbine and later greaseguns.
Tommygunn
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Closed bolt often means more complicated. A open bolt like the M1A1 Thompson or greaseguns may be slam fire which just uses a milled "nib" for a firing pin. Closed bolt needs a firing pin and mechanism to actuate it.
Also, a niche clientele may effect the economics of pricing as well......maybe more than the mechanical stuff.
entropy
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Neither of these is a machine pistol, though an MP5K is close. A machine pistol is a Skorpion (VZ61), Stechkin, Beretta 93R, Glock G18, Mauser M712.
Jim Watson
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Tell that to the Germans. I think, frex, that MP40 means Maschinenpistole 40.
Sistema1927
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Also, I am glad that I don't have the same guns as everybody else.
Different strokes for different folks, and more power to them in a free country.
Sistema1927
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I get significantly more velocity and power out of .357 Magnum in my 1894C than I do out of any of my revolvers. Not to mention the increase in sight radius.
lysanderxiii
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NOPE.
The AR-15 started life in 1958(ish) as a select-fire rifle. All of the Armalite produced AR-15s were full/semi. In 1959, Armalite sold the rights to the select fire AR-15 to Colt's Manufacturing. It wasn't until much later that Colt's offered a semi-auto only version as the SP1.
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1911 guy
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That same Winchester Model of 1894 is commonly available in .30-30. Yes, you're improving the performance of the .357 round. But you're throwing away the performance of the .30-30 by sticking with a pistol round in a rifle package.
If you like it, great. I hope you get a lifetime of enjoyment from it and take lots of deer and hogs with it. Part of me wishes i had one only because of Ohio's idiotic deer hunting regulations. But it's still a rifle without the range and power of a rifle round.
I have a friend who is a licensed NFA dealer.
Lots of cool toys. When he goes to a range or visits me he enjoys shooting a Mosin. 32 caliber revolver, black powder hand guns and H&R replica 45-70 carbines and rifles.
He brings along vintage reloading stuff and loads one round at a time.
Different strokes as they say.
Lots of cool toys. When he goes to a range or visits me he enjoys shooting a Mosin. 32 caliber revolver, black powder hand guns and H&R replica 45-70 carbines and rifles.
He brings along vintage reloading stuff and loads one round at a time.
Different strokes as they say.
JR24
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We love my wife's Thompson, don't shoot often but I've never had someone shoot it without a huge grin!
My grandfather carried one in the Pacific and hated it. Too heavy, too hard to control (his words) though effective if you "aimed at their left ankle". Said he always envied the guys who carried the M1 carbine.
Win.
Sistema1927
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Well, first, it is a Marlin not a Winchester, and even though they do make the 336 in .30-30 that wasn't the point. You are the one who said that you don't get more velocity or power shooting a handgun cartridge in a larger gun, and I think that I debunked that. You don't have to like pistol caliber carbines, but you don't have the right to spout wrong information about them.
1911 guy
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It's a Marlin (very close) copy of the Winchester 1894. What i said was that pistol calibers in rifle and carbine sized weapons do not, and cannot, have the range or power of a rifle cartridge in a rifle or carbine sized weapon. Therefore, it makes no sense to me, and I appreciate that others disagree. You're buying your guns with your money, it makes no real difference to me. But I have not said anything factually incorrect.
Reloadron
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Just my take but people buy guns which please them. Really I see all of it as a matter of personal taste. My trucks, my motorcycle and my guns are all extensions of what I like, my own personal taste. People buy whatever trips their trigger which is fine with me. I really need not understand why people spend what they do getting what they want, as long as it makes them happy. Why would someone spend $1,500 on a look alike semi-auto? I guess because they can and more importantly because they wanted it.
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Jim Watson
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Well, I am sure you mean that you are not "factually incorrect" to say that a PCC is not as powerful as a rifle.
But "...Marlin (very close) copy of the Winchester 1894" is nowhere near "factually correct." Other than the general configuration of a tube fed lever action, they have nothing in common.,
medalguy
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I buy them because I know it irritated Liberals. Best answer so far, at least in my book.
AlexanderA
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You're quibbling. My point was that the original design (whether you call it the M16 or the AR-15) was full automatic (OK, select fire), and it was later adapted to semiautomatic for the civilian market. Sales of the semiautomatic started slowly at first, but now it has become an institution. I believe Colt introduced the semiautomatic AR (the "Commando") in 1964. I bought my first one in 1968.
Sistema1927
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When you are in a hole it is best to quit digging. Other than the fact that they are both lever actions, there are significant differences between the Marlins and the Winchesters. Have you ever handled both of them? Nobody in the know would call a Marlin a "(very close) copy of the Winchester 1894".
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milemaker13
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Part of the reason I bought my 1894c was the "novelty" of having a rifle that shoots the same cartridge as my revolver. Its a very nice, handy little carbine.
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