New Ruger Pistol Caliber Carbine?

HeY 10mm GUYs! Have y’all seen the mectechs? Slap it atop your favorite Glock or 1911. Or your least favorite. Mine sits on this amt hard baller.
This one is 460 Rowland. Shoots 45acp fine as long as they aren’t puny.

It’s a smidge heavy, but balances nicely.
Stock is kinda cheesy, but works well
Needs the barrel threaded bad.
Functions excellent, accurate, stays on target like no other.

Mitlov said:

Commonality of ammunition and magazines with a handgun some folks own.

State laws that make the AR556 not a viable option for some folks.

Smaller footprint for storage (same length as an AR, but much, much shorter top to bottom).

9mm is about as cheap as ammo gets without going rimfire.

Suppressing it for folks who are into that.

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Plus pistol carbines have less muzzle blast than rifle carbines. Something worth consideration for indoor shooting, like in a home defense scenario.

I'm interested, but not at this price point. The Glock magazines are a nice feature though. I hope it does well and the price drops.

Just read the weight is 6.8 lbs... unloaded.

That's a lot more than other pistol caliber carbines. It also looks very much like a Hi-Point and is somehow much uglier than the old PC9. So far not too impressed, not with that weight.

db_tanker said:

for a 44...they may not want to put the effort into the R&D.
For a 10mm or even a more oddball caliber like 45 WinMag...that would be a hoot to have in a carbine like that.

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Without even going too far off the rails, 125gr .357sig looks like it's hitting around 1700fps from a 16"bbl, per Ballistics by the Inch. That would certainly put a good hurtin' downrange. I wonder what the velocity would be like at 50 or even 100yards... Either way, it might minimize drop.

Of course, for a lighter rifle, my Rossi 92 in .357mag with 16" will spit 125gr at 2,000FPS....

Like others here I wouldn't mind seeing a .45 and or a 10mm. version of the PCC. Would make for a decent plinker and be fairly well suited for the home defense role.

Oh heck, the wife will be mad at me, but I will almost definitely be adding one of these to the family. Better to ask forgiveness than for permission, though.

If street price is just below $500... that's what I paid for my PC9 almost 20 years ago. Man, I wish I still had that thing.

I may have to get one of the new Security 9s to go along with it too.

For those saying this gun is ugly, what do you think is a good looking gun? I think it looks great.

In for 2...

I've been waiting for a utility PCC for a while now. I think it's perfect in it's own way.

I swear, I'm a tough critic but I think some people on here just love to hate on every new release...

I'm a sucker for PCCs, and have owned pretty much something in nearly every style/offering over the years. Mostly everything aside from the HK roller-locks was ultimately dissatisfying for me because of the cheek-slap associated with the heavy blowback bolts.

If this is a nice shooting carbine without the cheek-slap...I'm in on this one bigtime.

This is especially good for those of us who either live in or travel to ban states frequently.

Once this sell in droves, they can easily appease the 44/357 crowd. For the 44, all they have to do is dust off the plans for the Deerfield they had a few years ago. But instead of selling it with wood with a 4 round mag, put it in a plastic stock, scale up the bx-25 banana mag to take 10-15 rounds of 44 and call it the Pigslayer. Their engineers should be able to do this in an afternoon and they would sell them by the crate full. And when they got tired of making money that way, re-scale it back down to 357, offer it in stainless and sell even more. Call it, I'd dunno, the "shoat smasher"

I'm in just as soon as I can get ahold of one. I'll be a beta tester on this one.

Hacker15E said:

Mostly everything aside from the HK roller-locks was ultimately dissatisfying for me because of the cheek-slap associated with the heavy blowback bolts.

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Did you look at CMMG Guard? It uses a delayed blowback system that is functionally equivalent to HK roller delayed system (or Kirali lever-delayed system).

greyling22 said:

Once this sell in droves, they can easily appease the 44/357 crowd. For the 44, all they have to do is dust off the plans for the Deerfield they had a few years ago. But instead of selling it with wood with a 4 round mag, put it in a plastic stock, scale up the bx-25 banana mag to take 10-15 rounds of 44 and call it the Pigslayer. Their engineers should be able to do this in an afternoon and they would sell them by the crate full. And when they got tired of making money that way, re-scale it back down to 357, offer it in stainless and sell even more. Call it, I'd dunno, the "shoat smasher"

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You can smash more than shoats with a .357 magnum out of a carbine-length barrel.

As for the Ruger, what kind of riser is one going to have to use to get over the obnoxiously large looking rear peep sight? Surprised they used such a setup. The vast majority of users will want to put a red dot optic or scope on the gun, that huge rear sight assembly is going to just be in the way.

Also, since they neglected to place the magazine in the grip, the gun is going to be a good 6" longer than it needs to be. I think they should have just went to Glock magazines for the entire line and forgot about the obligatory magwell inserts. So much unnecessary length, they just made the gun a lot less viable for home defense. Being able to have the magazine in the grip and hence a far shorter receiver are one of the few benefits of pistol caliber carbines over ARs, but Ruger decided to crap all over that idea.

BSA1 said:

The replaceable mag well is novel.

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The Berretta CX uses interchangeable mag well inserts, but you can only switch between different Beretta platform magazines; PX, Cougar, and M92 IIRC.

Cooldill said:

Being able to have the magazine in the grip and hence a far shorter receiver

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The Beretta accomplishes this too....though I guess that swoopy flying buttress grip no longer counts as a "thumbhole" stock for CA compliance? Looks way better, IMO.

The only semi auto PCC's that have any visual apeal to me are the Beretta, the Marlin camp 9, and the old Ruger Deerfield 44's. I have handled the Beretta's and they didn't really feel nice to me for what they cost and I didn't like the sights. I guess not everything has to be pretty but they don't all have to look like some high school shop project either. I was looking at a bunch of 10-22 takedowns in the store last night. I'm kind of dubious that the system will hold zero consistently with a receiver mounted scope when taken apart and put back together but people with the 10-22's report they do.

Have to say that I really like the looks of this gun. Nice compact, like the 10/22, As the Ruger title says "Practical and Reliable". I actually like the looks than many others in class. And I bet it has great "Balance" if Mr. Quinn is right. And 9mm is definitely practical. Especially for someone like myself that shoots a lot of 9mm and the availability. I think Ruger will hit a home run with this gun. Not to mention Ruger has a notorious reputation for Great Customer Service. Kudos to Ruger. Hope the price comes down substantially.though.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Ruger-PCCarbine/DSC09928.jpg

Hacker15E said:

I'm a sucker for PCCs, and have owned pretty much something in nearly every style/offering over the years. Mostly everything aside from the HK roller-locks was ultimately dissatisfying for me because of the cheek-slap associated with the heavy blowback bolts.

If this is a nice shooting carbine without the cheek-slap...I'm in on this one bigtime.

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+1 to that, I'm curious how much there delay mechanism calms down the bolt speed.

It has me interested - I would expect a street price between $475 and $495 +tax.

6 pages of comments so far without any idea when the gun will finally reach the market in sufficient quantities for the masses. Given Rugers history of hype long before production release it may well be 2019 before enough of them reach the market for evaluation of how successful the design of the gun is.

Goosey said:

Kind of odd that the rear sight is an aperture, being mounted so far forward. Haven't tried that kind of setup.

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I had the same ghost ring set up on a 357 Handi rifle, Talo edition. Worked great. Especially for those of us with old eyes.

JeeperCreeper said:

I swear, I'm a tough critic but I think some people on here just love to hate on every new release

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It always amazes me that gun owners, as a group, complain that there isn't anything new and exciting, but when a gun manufacturer makes something new, there is a whole brigade of gun owners who just can't wait to criticize the hell out of it.

I guess that's just the way it is.

Does anyone know where the tungsten weight is in this rifle? On the old PC9, the weight was forward of the bolt and connected to the bolt with 2 steel bars IIRC...

Surprised that it doesn't come with a bag like the 10/22 TD. I have an extra TD bag. So, if I decide to pick up one of these Rugers, I'm covered. If I don't get one, I shouldn't have any trouble selling it.

BSA1 said:

6 pages of comments so far without any idea when the gun will finally reach the market in sufficient quantities for the masses. Given Rugers history of hype long before production release it may well be 2019 before enough of them reach the market for evaluation of how successful the design of the gun is.

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Their last new intro was the MPR. It was in customers hands within 2 weeks.