Florida just "accidently" banned aftermarket AR15 triggers

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Well, just as Tim from the Military Arms channel predicted, this had absolutely nothing to do with simply Banning bump stocks ...

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Florida’s shiny new 105-page “public safety” act is a veritable pu-pu platter of 2018’s most popular school-shooting-prevention policies. It covers everything from armed teachers and mental health to age restrictions and “school crime watch programs.”

But one of the bill’s smallest sections could turn out to be the most contentious. In response to last year’s mass murder in Las Vegas, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act bans bump-fire stocks along with any device “which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.”

Here’s the entire section:

790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 741 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

Devices that “mimic automatic weapon fire” likely include bump-fire stocks, trigger cranks, and even, according to attorney and GunsAmerica Managing Editor True Pearce, binary triggers that fire one round on the pull and one on the release. Pearce added that the law is “overly broad, vague and unconstitutional.”

How on God’s green earth can Florida gun owners be expected to determine whether their device increases the rate of fire to that which “a person” would be unable to achieve unassisted by that device? In general, aftermarket triggers with a lighter pull and faster reset allow shooters to increase their rate of fire. Does that mean that Florida just banned these types of triggers?

SEE ALSO: Florida Gov. Rick Scott Signs Gun Control Bill

Mums the word right now from the Florida legislators who just rammed the bill through Tallahassee. The only office to return our request for comment was Speaker Richard Corcoran’s. When we asked his Communications Director, Fred Piccolo, if the Speaker could clarify this issue, he said that our question “is delving into a legal opinion and that’s not something we can provide.”

“I’m not saying he doesn’t know,” Piccolo clarified after we asked why the Speaker voted for the bill. “We’ve all read the statute. Interpreting what is and isn’t covered will be the provenance of the judiciary. But he has his opinions on what is and isn’t covered. But to ask if certain triggers are now illegal is not in his Constitutional Lane [sic].”

We offered to print the Speaker’s opinions but never received a reply.

For now, it looks like Sunshine State residents will have to wait and wonder what kind of devices Florida legislators aimed to ban, even though Florida legislators don’t seem to know themselves. In the mad rush to respond to high school walkouts and anti-gun hysteria, a historically pro-gun state may have just banned trigger systems used in thousands of legally owned rifles.

Even if they didn’t, and the courts rule in favor of gun rights, their potential negligence will be tough to excuse.
 
It’s a hard sell on binary triggers anyway. The law has been one round of ammunition fired per pull of the trigger. Binary triggers fire on pull and release. By my count there is one trigger pull and two rounds of ammunition. I wish we didn’t have that law banning full auto, but it’s been on the books longer than I have been on the planet, but some bozo at the BATF forgot how to count and let that fly for a while. Florida seems to have caught that error and they may be fixing it. But who knows since the people who wrote the law won’t comment on what the law means... the thing to do now is get somebody who can bumpfire at the shoulder go on record for cyclic rate with an unmodified gun then let them try to figure out what’s illegal. I think cranks, and bumpstocks are clearly out now though. UNLESS they come installed from the factory...the law only addresses modifications.

Hey PSA, get your lowers ready for “Florida compliance” and make an extra 3% for your trouble. Just don’t gouge like cheaper than dirt did a while back because we as a community still hold that grudge.
 
The Devil is in the Details.

As is the case with most poorly written that are rushed through before the public have a chance to read what it really says.

Since it says "used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device" I would agree that it is banning all aftermarket trigger kits since by making the trigger pull lighter and smoother than as it comes from the factory it is easy to increase the rate of fire.
 
''As quoted by the OP, I don't see where this would apply only to AR-15 rifles. The statute includes the phrase ".. to fire such semiautomatic firearm.."

So the (R) government of FL just did Fienschtein Schumer etc a great favor, allowing 'future interpretation' to include even the lowly 10/22.

I wonder if they will quote these (R)s in Fl, while attempting their national gun grab

Hey! Come to think of it, I brought that up in other posts, that the bump stock 'bans' would include other platforms and got poo pooed. Hmmm....soo long ago like a week or so....
 
The bio triggers are legal - for now - because the law as written is ONE SHOT PER ACTION. Pull and release are considered two separate actions
 
These are the contortions of opression.

Too often the tree is watered with Patriots. Could we not use "Tyrannical Manure" this season?

We have enough law, what we need is effort. "Working for the Government" is a misnomer. From the Feds down to the school officer, nobody felt like doing their job. Now Florida is taking the lazy man's way again.

Writing down words does not protect children. But that isn't the point, is it?:fire:

Sorry, I just spent near three on an Elftmann. My dander is up.

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Additionally, it is fully possible with a standard trigger to bump fire a rifle while shouldered.(SHHH!)
My curiosity piqued, I went to the forest grounds to discover this fact in under ten rounds. An entire magazine and three seconds later...a very large:).
 
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It’s a hard sell on binary triggers anyway. The law has been one round of ammunition fired per pull of the trigger. Binary triggers fire on pull and release. By my count there is one trigger pull and two rounds of ammunition.

One action per shot. As you point out there is only one shot per pull and is what the law requires.

There is no law that prohibits release triggers so the shot you get upon that action is also legal.
 
This issue was mentioned elsewhere in context of "faster triggers" and bump stock legislation.

Realistically it will take some kind of legal action to clarify and/or resolve. Who has deep pockets?
 
I don't care about bump fire stocks or bianary triggers and I'm glad fully automatic weapons are banned. I think taking this to mean all aftermarket triggers are banned is an incredible stretch. I think defending these silly gimmick devices is counterproductive. No more bans on any gun or magazine is where we should be drawing the line in the sand.
 
I don't care about bump fire stocks or bianary triggers and I'm glad fully automatic weapons are banned. I think taking this to mean all aftermarket triggers are banned is an incredible stretch. I think defending these silly gimmick devices is counterproductive. No more bans on any gun or magazine is where we should be drawing the line in the sand.
Machine guns aren't banned, you just have to pay a tax bribe to own one. But don't think for a second that giving in is the way to win these arguments with antis. They don't just want guns gone, they want your guns gone. As in those in the hands of people they dont agree or get along with. Any inroad they make is an inroad and it will only encourage them. Facts don't matter, neither do our distinctions between certain items and our hobby.
 
CoalTrain49 wrote:
Nobody will know what it means until someone is prosecuted and a judge decides if the mod was legal.
Anyone want to be a test case?

And therein lies the problem since you're taking a roll of the dice on a felony conviction.
 
Machine guns aren't banned, you just have to pay a tax bribe to own one. But don't think for a second that giving in is the way to win these arguments with antis. They don't just want guns gone, they want your guns gone. As in those in the hands of people they dont agree or get along with. Any inroad they make is an inroad and it will only encourage them. Facts don't matter, neither do our distinctions between certain items and our hobby.

I know how it works. The point being I'm glad the local walmart does not sell fully automatic weapons and explosives and artillery to everyone who wants them, that was reasonable legislation. That is where I draw my personal line of reason. I don't want to "give up" bump stocks and bianary triggers to appease anyone, I think they are stupid and never should have been legal in the first place. I think they are a loophole to circumvent the law and it makes us all look bad. If you want to fall on the sword for them that's your choice.
 
Regarding "aftermarket triggers", someone is reading into this what is simply not there. But that's typical of ambulance chasing, worthless attorneys. What a stretch.
 
Back in the late '80's there was a rash of dangerous 'Hotdog Vendor Girls' selling dogs along the roadways of Southern Florida. They wore bikini's and the better looking (and more skimpily clad) ones seemed to do better business so the race was on and there were some absolutely spectacular women hocking their wares....which did cause an accident or three from people who couldn't look away. So for our 'safety' the local Government set out to ban them. What a farce! The proposed law ended up being thousands of words and many, many pages as they struggled to describe just how much a bikini needed to cover to be legal. I remember one section that went on and on....'the curvature of the buttock at a radius of xxx' cotangent to'....trying to quantify in legalese and in the end...after many weeks, they gave up and just banned all from the main thoroughfares to the side roads where they could sell as they pleased. And...they DID please!:)

Unfortunately....when it comes to guns they really do like to 'accidentally ' word things to ban far more things than they imply at the outset. Funny how that works, and is why we shouldn't stand for ANY more of the camel's nose under our tents.
 
I drew my line at bump fire stocks and binary triggers.

I have proven to myself at eleven this morning that I need neither and that is completely beside the point.

My state representatives and senators know this. Michelle Hoitenga responded to my email and sent a letter congratulating my crew and myself on the mural installation downtown. She recognized my name from the paper and assured me that she wouldn't be passing any more laws about firearms, but may pass some about guards being put into schools. I am no rube, but I do appreciate the sentiment.
 
someguy2800 writes:

I don't want to "give up" bump stocks and bianary [sic] triggers to appease anyone, I think they are stupid and never should have been legal in the first place.

So, what you think is "stupid" should not be legal?

Imagine living under a government that thinks that, if you don't have a documented need for something, it should be illegal, or at least, heavily taxed. A young, childless couple buying a three-bedroom house? Nope.That's stupid. Come back after you have kids, and the government will relocate you (this is how it still works in many former Soviet states.) Want to buy a pickup truck, but don't use it to make a living? Nope. Not for you, unless you pay the "excess vehicle impact tax" of $5,000 in the name of, you know, "ecological impact." That same young, childless couple is restricted to a vehicle seating no more than four people (the government is feeling generous in the name of carpooling.) Oh, and forget about having any more vehicles than your household has licensed drivers. Excess vehicles, such as "project cars",or collectibles, are just "stupid", aren't they?

Fast motorcycles? I'm sure there are more than a few people who think they're "stupid" (ditto for fast cars, SUVs, 4x4s, etc.) Are they to go, too?

Fried foods? Big cups of soft drinks? Alcoholic beverages? High heels? You name it, and someone in power thinks it's "stupid."

Bump-stocks? Trigger cranks? Nope, I don't have any. I did entertain for a fleeting moment the trigger crank I saw once for a 10/22 in a Bass Pro store. Thought it might be fun, but it wouldn't be any where I can actually go to shoot these days. Now, if that were to change, the choice has been eliminated.

For decades, I felt I had no use for an AR-type. I'm glad that, when I decided to get one, I still had the choice, and that's what liberty is about.
 
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