What influences your handgun preferences?

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How does a gun model’s backstory affect what you think of it?

While some specific, individual guns might have the kind of backstory that makes them an heirloom or gives them sentimental value to us, for this discussion, I’m more interested in the way a particular type or model’s background influences what you think of it.

Guns have particular features and technical specifications from their various dimensions, ballistic results, to the kinds of things like their capacity, manual of arms and market price. We often use the features and performance of a gun to determine our rationalization for or against it. While these things may play an important role in pleasing us, it’s probably rare that any one of them is essential. In a similar way, we each have preferences for cars or trucks based mostly on their features and performance, but most of us could make do with any random rental car. We probably have even less dependence on our firearms than we do our vehicles, as evidenced by the millions of neighbors that go about their life without any guns at all. Even for someone who has a very evident dependency on being armed like a police officer, I could replace their Glock with any random gun of new manufacture from the handgun counter at the local gun shop and they could probably do their job for the next 6 months without any real consequence. Even the guy who carries a little LCP for personal protection, if presented with no other option but to switch to a Smith & Wesson Model 27, would probably be no more imposed upon than the average commuter who had to drive a Ford F350 for while.

But guns also have a backstory, some of which is a common, shared history, and some of which is formed from our own individual impressions.

The Model 19 is what we saw on the hips of State Troopers growing up.

That J frame is what our uncle Jim always had in his pocket.

Grandpa always used a Single Six running his trap line.

We’re impressed upon by television and movies also. For me, growing up and watching television in the 80’s, a plain 1911 always invokes memories of “Magnum” loading a magazine in the opening sequence of “Magnum P.I.” Mini 14’s, the A-Team -- but I'm writing about handguns in particular because I think you'll agree we tend to more closely associate with them, particularly when we carry them daily.

James Bond probably saved the Walther PPK from obscurity.

Who hasn't heard something about Dirty Harry when there was a Model 29 around?

Nostalgia inspired by western movies in the 1950’s is the basis of a large portion of the Single Action Army’s legendary status and the demand that nostalgia generated was most probably the basis for the creation and success of the whole Ruger company.

The list of ways movies and television have influenced the culture of different guns is probably endless.

But users in real life also influence the history of a gun and our impressions of them, whether they are Prohibition-era Thompsons and .38 M&P’s, or WWII 1911’s.

Our biases and prejudice can influence us too. I don’t intend to legitimize prejudice, but it’s influence can’t be ignored. Someone might think of Hi Points as those gangsta guns. Since they made it their “state gun,” I can’t help but think of 1911’s as “that gun people in Utah like.” Patriotic bias might also influence us. We might think of one gun as being “American,” where another is some kind of “Euro” thing. We might give deference to a gun’s machining simply because it was Swiss or German-made, while casting a skeptical eye on one where the manufacturer imports parts from China or Slovenia.

I already made a comparison of guns to cars in the way that they all serve the same basic function and yet we tend to scrutinize the details in features and performance when determining our personal preferences. In a similar way, we might select cars or guns based on how they affect our self-image or even our identity. Even the collector who has dozens of them has to make choices about which of them they will favor, carry or use most often.

That our self-image and even identity is influenced by our guns is no more evident than in CAS, where a person takes the “cowboy” gun of their choice, effects their dress, and even adds a western-themed moniker to their name so that “James Weston” who might assume the persona and attire of an accountant by weekday, becomes “Lawless Jim” on match day.

What young man who fancies his tacticool ghost-grey H&K with the threaded barrel to compliment his 5.11 wardrobe wouldn’t be put off by something nickel-plated with pearl handles? Ok, maybe that’s too much, but how about even just wood grip panels or a revolver?

Now I’m not saying that all our egos are so fragile that we’ll be butt-hurt because we’ve got to drive a Ford instead of a Chevy. There’s more than enough of us with collections sufficiently diverse to prove that we’re not that imbecile. But our self-image does influence our opinion about what effect a gun will have on it. No one should be more aware of this than marketers who position different products in the industry and craft the identities of brands and their individual products.

For myself, I am not a cop, soldier or hunter and I do not see myself with any affinity to those identities whatsoever. Yet besides pink girl-guns, and mouse guns, with what products am I targeted as a consumer? A Glock for sure, because it’s good for everybody right? Oftentimes we’re lead to believe that what’s good for the cops is good for us, and what’s good for the warfighter must be even better. The reasoning might be that none of us are likely to impose a greater demand on performance than they, and so we can’t be better served than by the excess of capability their equipment would offer us. Now I’m not saying that “less” should suffice for us. On the contrary, why should we be relegated to 2nd class users? Glock and M&P make guns for cops, and should the rest of us should just buy whatever surplus they’ve got? Even Ruger, who never submitted a gun for the XM17 competition, gives us a gun designed for it.

Nowhere is this more evident than in color. All cop cars are the same color, black and white basically, maybe dark blue. Soldiers uniforms are all the same color too. But other people have cars of every color you can imagine. Of course, I have seen the colorful guns, but most people have been conditioned to think that they’re just a gimmick, toy-like, and can’t be taken seriously unless they’re one of the military and police colors like black, OD, or FDE.

But color is not the only thing. Personally, I don't care for plastic. It's not that I have any doubts or misgivings about the technology. I prefer a gun without plastic for the same reason I would generally not wear a watch with plastic or shoes with plastic, unless I needed to accomplish a specific purpose like I might with a sports-monitor or football cleats.

I’m sure there will be some of you that assert that you buy all your guns and your vehicles strictly by the stats, by the specification sheet, and based solely on the features and the performance and you’re thoughts are impervious to considerations of your ego, your self-image and none of your consideration is given to assuming any kind of persona. For the rest of us, what kind of things have you noticed influencing your own preferences?
 
My first handgun was a PF9 at the time it was the smallest 9mm. Looking back it was a horrible first gun except it taught me good form and to appreciate a much better made gun.

I now look at build quality and availability of items I might want. Hence the M&P line is very attractive to me.
I also look at price. Now not the lowest price but the best value to me.
Cost of mags is also a factor
As is number of rounds and the caliber.

So I’ve gone from small 9mm to medium size 9mm to small 45 to full size 9mm for competition to now wanting the M&P 9C which I see as a compromise between size and number of rounds. To me a 15 round mag with one in the chamber plus a couple 17 round mags seems like a good option. I say that as watching the BLM and ANTFA thugs block traffic and pound on cars makes me think we’ll see more mob attacks and more ammo is good to have in a case like that.
 
I live in the slave state of California. My preference for handguns is heavily, heavily dictated by the ten-round magazine limit here. I aim to own only guns that maximize their capacity capabilities and whose calibers I can shoot well and buy affordably.

I currently own a Marlin 795 and an S&W SD9VE with restricted magazines. Not my greatest gun, it was my first pistol and I didn't really know what I was doing, and it is one of the rare centerfire pistols under $400 in this godforsaken state. Later, I bought into the hype and got a CZ 75BD in 9mm, and found out to my chagrin it doesn't work for me very well. I'm not fond of the decocker and the hammer is incredibly stiff, I can't even operate it one-handed. It's the only gun I've ever used where I have problems thumbing the hammer.

I am currently in the market for a SIG P220 with extended 10-round magazines and an S&W Shield 9mm with the extended Hyve 10-round baseplates.

As far as revolvers go, I've tried out an S&W 686 firing 158gr Federal JSP and decided it wasn't for me. I'm much happier with a Heritage Rough Rider I picked up used for $100 ($140 after you add in sales tax and the CA DOJ fees).
 
For my Handguns (to be used for SD)I tend to buy what is or has been popular LEO duty firearms both brand and model.

Overall I guess my influences run back to my Dad, he believed in the brands Winchester, Colt, S&W and Browning so do I but not necessarily current offerings.
 
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I'm a bit of a history buff and growing up our heroes were Gene Autry, Tom Mix, Roy Rodgers, etc. I'll bet none of you ever saw Hopalong Cassidy with a 9mm semiauto. Ergo, I tend to have an affinity for older Colts, Winchesters, yada, yada. While I do own some modern weapons, my online searches tend to be for older Colts, Winchesters, yada, yada.
 
Movies and My father influenced me the most, I grew up watching all things Eastwood (Dirty Harry, Rawhide, Man with no Name, Josey Wales, etc) and my father carried his 1948 manufactured .38 M&P smith. Revolvers were the "good guys gun" with autos logically being bad guys. I grew up to think the 1911 was the only auto that a real good guy would use and for everything else you couldn't beat a .44 magnum or a .45 colt. I have had things like glocks and smiths (tupperware versions) that I see like I see a screwdriver, a tool to use but nothing more, a revolver for some reason seems to command a bit more respect to the person wielding it. You almost assume that the old sheriff nearing retirement in some Smalltown,USA is still carrying his trusty wheelgun. I see it at the range to, youl'l hear "Pop,Pop,Pop, BOOM!" all the lanes will stop to see what the "crazy guy" is shooting. I normally will have a few people ask to see my .44s or .45s maybe ask to shoot them as well, beyond nice 1911's I never see anyone else get that sort of attention (Im sure it happens just not what I see at my range, but I only go to one and its in the middle of nowhere so take what I say with a grain of salt). I'll carry a sixgun til I die, and hopefully maybe be buried with a .45 Colt along with the King James and a Buck 110, that should be plenty of supplies when I take the Happy Trail up and see Jesus, and if I dont, maybe the gun will protect me if I end up in a place more fiery than I'd like.
 
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The only thing that influences my choice in firearms is whether or not it is in a caliber and/or style that I like and have a use for.

I have exactly one plastic fantastic handgun...it was bought so I could experiment with the .40S&W cartridge and I thought if I am going to experiment I might as well experiment with a different type of semi auto pistol also.

After three or four years I have not felt the need to acquire another plastic fantastic handgun.

I generally buy single action revolvers... mostly Ruger with a few Cimarron/Ubertis added in for variety along with a Virginian Dragoon.

For double action revolvers, I buy S&W , Colts and Dan Wesson with one Taurus (.44Spl)tossed into the mix.

I have a couple of slightly different handguns as well...a Webley D/A in .45Colt, a German Luger as well as two or three more revolvers that were bought from friends who needed the money.

I gravitate more towards S/A revolvers than anything else and favor the .41Mag, .44Spl and .45Colt calibers although I do own at least half a dozen .357Mag revolvers.

I guess I am pretty set in my ways and mostly a traditionalist.
 
I like nostalgia but I like weird too. If a gun was originally X and got it's history and recognition as such then that's great, but when it adapts to become Y and excels at that too then it has me hooked. 10mm 1911, variations of the hand ejector revolvers, single action target revolvers, CZ pattern competition guns... purpose built tools which were awesome, but then grew to be more awesome. I'm also incredibly partial to mismatched platforms...break action pistol, rifle caliber pistol, lever pistol... one of these days I'm going to figure out a pump pistol... but it has to be elegant. There is nothing (in my eyes) elegant about a hunk of plastic that was injection molded around a bit of aluminum. Blued steel with walnut.
 
Number one, reliability. Hands down it better go bang. Number two, accuracy. If I ever need to take the difficult shot I want to feel confident. Number three, a well supported chamber so I can breathe easier with my reloads. Some years ago I bought the latest Ruger 45, can't remember the model, and it would fire, then click, click, click, fire and so on. Scary gun for sure. Now if I can't shoot it first I research it heavily. I am happy with my CZ P09 for example, ultra reliable and accurate as well. It's not the ONLY gun I own or brand, but has for all of my criteria well. That Ruger 45 I had, traded it for a Springfield XD, which I still have and love to this day. Hopefully we learn as we go.
 
Probably the guns my Dad wore as a cop, because I ended up with several of them. ;) He 'gave' me his Trooper MKIII when he bought his Pythons, took it back when my overloaded .357's broke the hammer on the 4". I fixed the 4", and bought it and the 2.5" when his Dept. (Saint Paul, MN) became the first big city Dept. to go to the Glock. I did buy a Glock, (21) but not from him, but later sold it.
Reliability. Which is why I sold the Glock. :eek: "What!" you say? It wasn't reliable with handloads, ones my 1911 and Hi-point were reliable with. I have two Taurus .45's, a PT1911AR, and a PT145, both of which are reliable, and a S&W snub. My next handgun will be a smallish 9mm. The Glock 19 is a strong contender, but the PT111G2 is possibility too. (Ref: the current thread on commonality of guns.)
 
I grew up in the 40's and 50's and the old westerns of that time on TV made me a single action sixgun fan that lingers to this day. I'm not a rifle or shotgun guy, give me the ole six shooter!
 
I like a gun that has a good historical track record. I am not much influenced by movies or novels, not a romantic I guess.

For instance, I know K-frame S&W's work okay because of their vast service in the last century as police and military sidearms. They're not trouble free but the problems are well understood by now.

There are other guns well proven in the same sense, of having been satisfactory when used in serious circumstances and in large numbers. Glock achieved that reputation fairly recently. 1911's and Hi Powers did so years previously. You can doubtless think of others that have stood the test. I don't want to be packing something that hasn't had the bugs worked out.
 
I carry what I shoot the best. But as far as what influences what I've bought over the years ... pretty much my collection includes every handgun I was ever issued in my various law enforcement jobs and military career.

So my collection includes the S&W Model 19, the S&W Model 10, the S&W Model 15, the S&W Model 36, the Colt 1911A1, the Beretta M-9 (92FS), the S&W 5906, the SIG P-226, SIG P-228, the Glock 23, the HK USP-9/40/45, the S&W M&P 9, 40, 45/M&P 9C ... I recently picked up the SIG P-320 since it's the new Army issue and I kinda like it ...

As far as the movie influence goes, since I was a kid I wanted a Colt SAA .. but I still do not own a real Colt, only an Italian copy. I did once buy a Walther PPK because of the James Bond thing, but then I tried to shoot it extensively. [sigh]
 
It's been about two decades since I bought a new (or new to me) gun and in fact since I even looked at any new (or new to me ones) but the other day a nice clean Model 19 sitting in the display case at the local range caught my eye. I asked if I could take a look at it and it's a P&R 19-3 with perfect lockup and very little wear and bright bore and original grips and ...

sticker shock.

Did I mention that about a year ago I bought my first new car in over a decade and had a somewhat similar reaction?
 
The reason I picked a Glock 19 4th gen pistol to carry (Carry always!) is quite simple. It goes bang always, it has lots of bullets. So with 16 rounds of Winchester 147g Ranger T ready to go, and a 17 round spare magazine on the off side, next to my Surefire flashlight (Used to call one of dem der things a torch!) a set of suspenders, braces! To keep my pants up, off to the races.
In reading the opinions of some experts, who say due to possible negative effects in a Court of Law, after a self-defence shooting, altering your carry pistol in anyway, you should not do, but shoot it as is, right out of the box!
Not me, the standard Glock mods I espouse. No 1, dump the crappy plastic Glock Factory sights, replace with TruGlow night sights, in all green. Extended slide release (Glock call that device a Slide Lock Lever) whatever floats your boat. Small butt plug, helps in magazine changes a wee bit.
The lined trigger it comes with, replace with a smooth one. If you notice the bigger mag release, on the Gen4 it digs into my second finger (Snip) sharp knife, fixed.
Do I have other pistols? Yes, but this one I carry, and when I shot IDPA, used also. Same gun, same place, always. Same Kydex holster as well.
I have pointed guns at people, more than once! The visual message was enough, did not have to press the trigger, threat/threats departed.
 
I read of the reliability of the CZ P-01 in more than a few gun rags. I had a Glock 19 at the time that was OK but nothing special. I bought a P-01 and 1000 rounds of WWB to see how far it would go before failure. The first mag I shot was the most accurate I had ever fired. Anyway, without ever cleaning it I kept going back to see if I could hit 1000 without cleaning. WWB is so dirty all I did was wipe the exterior down. After about 800 rounds WITH NO FAILURES, I gave up and cleaned it.

It took 2 cans of Gunscrubber to clean it. I sold the Glock and never looked back.
 
I have a great appreciation for history, heirlooms, and memories. I have a safe full of them. But my preferences for things that I actually use is based on demonstrated performance and the guns that are most "imprinted" on me from repeated use and the experience of thousands of rounds fired. That limits those preference to the "boring" Glock, and 1911, at least as far as handguns are concerned.
 
I can’t think of any outside influences on the firearms I’ve had. My tastes have also changed over the years too based on my first hand experinces, my first two guns were a Glock 23 and a USP 45 and both were sold long ago. With them I learned I don’t care for plastic frames and striker fired guns so most of my stuff now are steel and aluminum framed SA and DA/SA guns. I also seem to gravitate more and more towards revolvers as time goes on.
 
Regarding vehicles, my requirements are set by price of the vehicle, price to maintain, price to fuel up, and how much it can haul for that given price.

The good thing is that I'm not restricted by that when it comes to firearms. Sure, my concealed carry guns are purchased almost solely on function as well as price. It's the other guns that I have more leeway favoring style over function.

I'm not really influenced by movies or history in my gun purchases, though. Outside of concealed carry guns, I am influenced by the history of the firearm in the sense that a Ruger Single Six or a CZ75 have been made for decades and are still made by their original manufacturer.
 
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I carry the same type of handgun I have carried since I was issued one a LONG time ago by Uncle Sam. I became very comfortable with the DA/SA and that is all I have carried my entire life (other than a .44 mag revolver in bear country at times). I have carried with all materials (frames) even the dreaded and much misaligned polymer and never had a problem with any. And I might add, early in my career I carried in very undesirable conditions of heat, humidity, rain, and occasionally sand.

Now that I am retired and have to purchase my own, I do not carry the most expensive, but I do own and carry, what I believe are very reliable handguns (Beretta/H&K).
 
I like the S&W i had about 50 of them before I sold a bunch of them 37 I like the 28 & 586 29 silhouette 57 41mag these are the ones I shoot I still have a bunch of them also I have a DW 375 SILHOUETTE I STILL HAVE SOME 357 ALSO
 
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Familiarity is a start. For me, plainly the cost and reliability. 1873 45 colt, (Pietta actually) I know its reliable; and it wont break so easily or fall apart when I need it most.
 
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