How to suck the fun out of reloading, Buy a Progressive Press!

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I'm not sure what your setup is, but I run single cases through, set up my dies powder fill and measure the results, if something changes Im the one doing it not the machine,

over 58,000 rounds on LNL and no changes by the LNL only me. Trimming brass will always give better results but that's a lot of work.
 
Loaded a ton of ammo on a single stage RCBS. Fast forward and I messed up my back bad. Loading became a chore.

Enter a new wife that wanted to shoot, a lot, and the SS was killing me.

Bought an auto progressive and reloading became mostly fun again. Probably the best move I ever made in regards to reloading. Even my crippled, clumsy body can turn out 300-400 rounds per hour in 15-20 minute shifts with relative ease.
 
I single load my precision rifle rounds on a 650 and don't experience any "changing conditions" so I'm not sure what's going on with @Texas10mm and his press

If there's not brass in station 1 then the seating depth will change at station 4. There are several posts about this over at Brian Enos forums.
 
I single load on my LNL all the time and seating depth stays the same if only running one case through the entire cycle from sizer to seating/crimping to finished round.
 
I loaded for 20+ years on a Lee Pro1000. It became an ingrained habit to halt in mid-stroke and jiggle the primer chute to make sure one fed. When I loaded my first rounds on my LnL I thought I was in Heaven!
 
If there's not brass in station 1 then the seating depth will change at station 4. There are several posts about this over at Brian Enos forums.

That is simply not possible as it is a Dillon and therefore perfect. Kinda like Glock perfection.

Ever notice that there is very Little conversation over on the actual Dillon Forum? It's all preaching to the choir over there, so no one to bedazzle on the merits of the Blue reloading MACHINES (they are not mere presses)
 
Yes I used to love to read the Brian Enos Forum. It was a source of real information. Ain't going to say anything bad about Dillon. They are good presses, just not Celestial presses........Hmmm......maybe white....maybe I'd paint mine white if one ever graces my cave. No that's a bit much......royal blue would be ok. ;)

When I bought my RCBS Summit press, they were selling red-white-blue ones. That was a bit much too. Think they had to discount the last ones a lot to get rid of them. I wouldv'e have liked to get one at that price......but I would have repainted it too. It's a neat press without the hype. Dillons are fine too......without the zealots and hype.
 
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If there's not brass in station 1 then the seating depth will change at station 4. There are several posts about this over at Brian Enos forums.

I haven’t observed that to be the case.

It would be easy to verify. I might do that next time I’m loading some
 
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If there's not brass in station 1 then the seating depth will change at station 4. There are several posts about this over at Brian Enos forums.
My RCBS Pro 2000 does the same when combo seating/crimping in station 5. Without a case in station 1, the seating depth will be 2 or 3 thou different than with a case in station 1. But, that's to be expected since it's not blue. ;)
 
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As I look through these posts it looks like theirs alot of Dillon haters around here
I dont spend much time internet sluething so Im wondering why that is? I have had nothing but real good experience with the products and the company. I have Rcbs and lyman presses, single stage and an old turret, and have no issues with either of them, I use different dies than Dillon and an assortment of tooling to reload for 8 rifle and 4 pistol cartridges i have. Why so much down on Dillon... is this like a ' if you dont own a _______ press you suck thing or what?
 
Very similar to the 'Ford vs Chevy' thing.

(UT vs OSU, Cowboys vs the Texans, etc etc etc)

Some folks are 'more passionate' than others.

Just don't lose sight of the 'game' while having fun!

:)
 
I have to agree. Their is a multitude of opinions regarding whats the "best". Some folks apparently have as you say have a " more passionate" method of communicating it.
 
As I look through these posts it looks like theirs alot of Dillon haters around here
I dont spend much time internet sluething so Im wondering why that is? I have had nothing but real good experience with the products and the company. I have Rcbs and lyman presses, single stage and an old turret, and have no issues with either of them, I use different dies than Dillon and an assortment of tooling to reload for 8 rifle and 4 pistol cartridges i have. Why so much down on Dillon... is this like a ' if you dont own a _______ press you suck thing or what?

When I first got my Hornady LnL I was in the "why Dillon" camp. After having my LnL and then getting a Dillon I'm in the "why anything but Dillon" camp.

I've not loaded on a Star yet. I've got a friend who has two fully loaded Star progressives. One for .45 Long Auto and the other for .38 Spl. I will note that he comes over to my place to use my Dillon.
 
Not a hater; had a Dillon before I moved. Always seemed to need tweaking in the auto prime area (as do most progressive presses). Bought the LNL because it gets good reviews, was on sale for about half what a Dillon goes for and then there is that free 500 bullets.......
 
As I look through these posts it looks like theirs alot of Dillon haters around here
I dont spend much time internet sluething so Im wondering why that is? I have had nothing but real good experience with the products and the company. I have Rcbs and lyman presses, single stage and an old turret, and have no issues with either of them, I use different dies than Dillon and an assortment of tooling to reload for 8 rifle and 4 pistol cartridges i have. Why so much down on Dillon... is this like a ' if you dont own a _______ press you suck thing or what?

It is not a "issue" of hate" or dislike. Dillon is without a doubt a excellent product and service.

The issue if one wants to call it that. is the Dillon owners that insist on shoving it into others face and every topic/ thread,
No other press following/users seems to do that. Why??

Even when folks new to reloading ask the dreaded what is a good press to buy I only shoot 100 rounds of 38 special a month, and only have $250 budget
the replies are get a Dillon 650!

It is a form of cognitive dissonance to justify ones decision and expensive, A type of rationalization
The whole BS of Buy once cry once cliche

If it is so great and one can afford it, they why the hell cry about it at all?
Why tell everyone over and over again how great something is.?

This forum is one of the most open minded about other brands, other forums are just like a broken record about Blue this Blue that!

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As I look through these posts it looks like theirs alot of Dillon haters around here
I have had nothing but real good experience with the products and the company. . Why so much down on Dillon... is this like a ' if you dont own a _______ press you suck thing or what?

Simple. the best is always the most expensive. Many folks who can't, or won't, buy the most expensive, try very hard to make themselves believe that their less expensive item is "just as good" as the more expensive item.

As an example, just look at how many will try to convince you that a Lee is just as good as an RCBS or Hornady. It isn't, of course, but their ego won't allow them to believe it.
 
As I look through these posts it looks like theirs alot of Dillon haters around here

You hit a nerve I see....two posters type faster than me! :) Oh well, the following is my view.

No, I don't think anyone hates Dillon per say. Just the holier than thou attitudes of a minority of Dillon users (I hope) who think the rest of us are stupid. That attitude doesn't make friends of non Dillon users. I think most of "those" people (but not all) have gravitated to the AR15.com reloading forum. They ran me out at AR15.....that forum is too blue for me.;) So if Dillon users need or want back patting for using Dillon, you'll really like it there as well as at Brian Enos. As I've said before I like all the presses....wish I could have one of each.

I think the main reason Hornady users are "more passionate" about the subject is because of the too common post from a Dillon user in effect saying, "your problem is because your press is red and not blue."

My younger brother runs a Dillon 650 and likes it OK. Yet for my needs it doesn't fit.....even a little, as I change calibers sometimes daily. People and their needs are different. And I don't like the money it requires every time I want to add a new caliber. Even changing primer size is a PIA. 1050's are even worse. And admit it, on a 650 they provide a case feeder because it's not feasible to run a 650 without one....you'd have to stroke and feed with the same hand. Still, its a nice press.

The fact is, the reason it took me so long to upgrade my trusty Pro 2000 to a Pro Chucker 7 was their asinine requirement that I buy a powder measure every time I add a caliber. It took me two years to show them how they didn't need to do that and I didn't need 10 powder measures. I finally bought one in May when they came to their senses and caliber change kits went down from $324 to $103 at Midway USA.

As for the 650's case feeder collator, it's first class.....just maybe I will get one for my Pro Chucker's tube case feeders, some day. The plus there over a Hornady one is it comes without a feeder...it's just a collator. The minus to a electric collator is the time added to change calibers. With my rifle tube feeders (two) it's simply changing the tool head. Yup a feeder on each head. I can keep multiple tubes loaded by hand for any run I'm going to do. I never load "thousands." But then I'm not a IPSC competitor. See ..... it's individual needs that determine what press fits you....and yes, sometimes its money.....but not always. I can buy 1050's, but I won't. They don't fit my personal needs...period .....overkill doesn't help.
 
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Guess I'm not as sensitive as some though I guess I'm also one of THOSE people that believe that Lee is as good as anything else. I do own 3 Lee presses and also 1 RCBS press. I've got about as much invested in these 4 presses as some of the Blue crowd have invested in just one of theirs. The newest press being a Breech Lock Pro.

I load only pistol calibers and for the most part it appears that most all pistol dies are sold in 3 die sets so my Lee 3 hole turret press and my Lee 3 hole Pro1000 fit right in to the line of thinking that it only takes 3 dies to successfully load pistols. Also seem it's been done that way for much longer than I've been around. It makes no nevermind to me which press someone decides to use because I don't have to use it, I've got my own. If it fits your needs and you enjoy using it then that's great! Just don't try to tell me I need one just because you have one and it works great for you.

The thing that always makes me chuckle is how some will go on and on about how great their progressive press is and then in the next paragraph start on how and why they deprime in one separate step then prime off the press then off they go full bore on their great progressive press. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of a progressive press to me.
 
I really don't give a rodents rump on what press anybody uses They all work
There really is a Blue Press Cult out there,

If Dillon was for everyone then how the hell do all the other press makers stay in business.??
RCBS, Hornady, Lee, Lyman Redding and on and on

In the monthly Blue Press advertisement with the pretty models ( who else uses SEX SELLS for their reloading products?)and all the other non press items, Why don't they show just the basic press, not the ones with the hundreds of dollars of added accessories?
So a XL650 is only $589.00 but the actual picture shown is $1188.00??

I have said it before and will say it again. Reloading Machines are a by product or sideline for Dillon. Their money is in Government Contracts making Mini Guns

https://dillonaero.com/our-products/
 
If someone is espousing a product, ask them what the drawbacks/limitations/weak points of the product are. If they can't give you a sensible list of at least 2-3, then you are likely dealing with an irrational fanboi whose comments shouldn't really carry a great deal of weight.
 
I believe people use the tool that meets their need. Thank heavens my wife no longer uses a butter knife for a screwdriver. She has her own tool box for around the house including an electric screwdriver and electric (extend and retract) 25' tape measure.

I have used a Pacific single stage C press, as old or older than me, for 30 yrs. I don't shoot thousands of rounds a mo/yr. I do change calibers during an extended loading session. My primer feed is simple and reliable, just change large tube to small and continue the march. I use a dial calipers to set my dies relative to the press so that, and a dummy cart for each caliber/gun is fast set up.

I have neither the $$$ nor the room to dedicate a press per caliber. There is no pressure or stress to crank out X number of rounds to meet a competition schedule. When I retired I left the rats behind, I only watch their race in my rear view mirror. I could reload every day, all day but there are other things. But I digress.....

My single stage meets my requirements, yours are different, as is your time available to reload. I'll bet after my reloading session, I'm a more mellow fellow than you are. As for what I understand about other presses, having no hands on experience, and only read, the Dillon series is the Cadillac of reloaders. The RCBS. Hornady, Lee, Lyman progressives, and any others I've missed, are the Ford,Chevy, Dodge. They are all capable of producing quality ammo, if the OP does their part. Dillon gets praised for their customer service, but I've heard + + and - for the others too.

As an old fart, I have observed in human nature that everyone seems to have a need to be better, or own something better than someone else. I see this in all discussion forums that compare.

As I said in the beginning, people will use whatever tool meets their need.
 
If someone is espousing a product, ask them what the drawbacks/limitations/weak points of the product are. If they can't give you a sensible list of at least 2-3, then you are likely dealing with an irrational fanboi whose comments shouldn't really carry a great deal of weight.

Is it true that all Dillon Fans only use GLOCKS?:rofl:
 
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