Acquiring a C&R firearm by possession.

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So I have a few firearms that are on the verge of becoming 50 years old. They were new when I bought them so technically I guess I acquired them as a C&R only when they passed that milestone; one day they are not C&R and the next day they are (or "one year they are not C&R and the next year they are).

The rules say that I need to log all the C&R items I acquire or dispose of during the period my license is in effect. If I bought a C&R item before I was licensed then it's status has not changed and I did not acquire it while I had a license. If I sell it though I need to log that sale in my BBB (Big Bound Book aka spreadsheet) as from my personal collection.

Say I have a Colt Mark III revolver that I purchased new in 1969 and has been in my collection since then. At some time in 2019 or 2020 that gun suddenly becomes a C&R firearm.

Once that happens, once it is 50 years old or older; if I sell or trade or give away the Mark III I need to log it in the BBB. But do I have to log it becoming C&R in the BBB as well or just treat it as I would a C&R gun I purchased before becoming a C&R FFL holder?
 
I used to have a C&R license. You do not have to do anything with a firearm that you purchased before you had your C&R.

If you have a pre-C&R license firearm, you do nothing until you decide to sell it. Then, because you have a C&R license, you must log it out in you bound book.

Logging C&R firearms into your bound book is only required while you are under the umbrella of the C&R.

You do not have to log anything into your bound book that matures to C&R status until you sell it.
 
…. But do I have to log it becoming C&R in the BBB as well or just treat it as I would a C&R gun I purchased before becoming a C&R FFL holder?
You record the acquisition and disposition of any eligible firearms while you are licensed.

When you decide to sell it, simply record the manufacturer/model/serial#/type/caliber in your bound book, acquired from "personal collection" and subsequently the disposition to the buyer.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...06dfa39&mc=true&node=se27.3.478_1125&rgn=div8 See paragraph (f)

Edited so the answer to your question is painfully obvious.;)
 
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You record the acquisition and disposition of any eligible firearms while you are licensed.

When you decide to sell it, simply record the manufacturer/model/serial#/type/caliber in your bound book, acquired from "personal collection" and subsequently the disposition to the buyer.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...06dfa39&mc=true&node=se27.3.478_1125&rgn=div8 See paragraph (f)
Tru Dat but that doesn't answer the question I asked.

Is a firearm "becoming" C&R considered as Acquiring? Does it need to get logged in under acquisitions or is it treated like any items in a personal collection that were already C&R status before being licensed? I just bring this up because it is reaching the point when a bunch of guns I bought when they were new are now about 50 years old.
 
Tru Dat but that doesn't answer the question I asked.

Is a firearm "becoming" C&R considered as Acquiring? Does it need to get logged in under acquisitions or is it treated like any items in a personal collection that were already C&R status before being licensed? I just bring this up because it is reaching the point when a bunch of guns I bought when they were new are now about 50 years old.

He did answer your question....

Let me try:
If you dispose of a gun that is C&R eligible at the time of disposition - there must be an event logged in your bound book.

If you acquire a gun that is C&R eligible - there must be an event logged in your bound book.

If a gun you already own turns 50 (becomes C&R eligible) but you don't do anything with it - there was no acquisition or disposition, so don't do anything.

If you owned a gun prior to getting your license and at the time of disposition it is C&R eligible - there must be an event logged in your book (that's where you note "acquired from personal collection).

IIRC unless they've changed their interpretation, a simple spreadsheet doesn't meet the audit record/control requirements for FFL bound books (might want Dogtown Tom to confirm that though)
 
He did answer your question....

Let me try:
If you dispose of a gun that is C&R eligible at the time of disposition - there must be an event logged in your bound book.

If you acquire a gun that is C&R eligible - there must be an event logged in your bound book.

If a gun you already own turns 50 (becomes C&R eligible) but you don't do anything with it - there was no acquisition or disposition, so don't do anything.

If you owned a gun prior to getting your license and at the time of disposition it is C&R eligible - there must be an event logged in your book (that's where you note "acquired from personal collection).

IIRC unless they've changed their interpretation, a simple spreadsheet doesn't meet the audit record/control requirements for FFL bound books (might want Dogtown Tom to confirm that though)

Finally an answer.

If a gun you already own turns 50 (becomes C&R eligible) but you don't do anything with it - there was no acquisition or disposition, so don't do anything.

That was my question.

IIRC unless they've changed their interpretation, a simple spreadsheet doesn't meet the audit record/control requirements for FFL bound books (might want Dogtown Tom to confirm that though)

I still have a bound book but the latest copy of the regs I saw said that an electronic version was acceptable and it would be much easier to maintain and reference. I'll try to find the material I saw online.

AbE: found it. 2016-1- Requirements to Keep Firearms Records Electronically Starts on page 4.
 
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But there's nothing saying you can't enter it if you want.
I, personally, just enter them as they become eligible as my bound book is part of my inventory system. (That way, if I'm ever audited I won't have to explain that it was a previously owned gun. It's all in the book.)

Here's a question.... Years ago I had a FFL03 that I let expire. This was back when you had to send your BB back to the ATF when you dropped out of the license program. I now have a more current license and don't remember the entries in the earlier book. If I still have any of those firearms, are they now considered "from my private collection" or were they obtained using my old license and should be entered in my new book as such?
 
Hhmm, I have a similar problem BUT I don't have a C&R license. I "inherited" several guns that are from 51-100+ years old, plus a couple will hit 50 in the next couple of years. While I have no intention of doing anything with them at this time, my age is such that they might go to a relative within the next 5-15 years. Will I have to do anything special with, or for, these guns when they are transferred to my relatives?
 
Hhmm, I have a similar problem BUT I don't have a C&R license. I "inherited" several guns that are from 51-100+ years old, plus a couple will hit 50 in the next couple of years. While I have no intention of doing anything with them at this time, my age is such that they might go to a relative within the next 5-15 years. Will I have to do anything special with, or for, these guns when they are transferred to my relatives?
Well, that depends on a lot of factors - none of which relate to the acquisition and disposition rules for C&R FFL holders. In fact, in this case age of the guns doesn't matter at all apart from the federal definition of "antique".

You need to look at state law, what the state laws of your relatives' states are, whether you plan to give them before or after you pass, how your will is set up, and if you have anything that is NFA. And there's probably a few more that I'm missing.

Honestly you would be better served starting your own thread because this doesn't have anything to do with the topic of the OP.
 
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