Who Made This?

The grip color & finish do not seem to be characteristic of a Pietta.

Are there any additional marks on the barrel underneath the ramming lever?

?ASM, I don't remember them making that specific gun, but they did special orders for CVA, and other USA distributors.

Just my $.02 worth.

The barrel has no Pietta billboards. The wood is too light for a Pietta, and it looks like a High Standard wood, but it has the Italian proof marks so it originally was not a kit gun, nor part of the HS Commemorative series . The trigger guard shoulders are not small enough for an ASM.

I have never seen a replica 1860 4 screw cut for a shoulder stock with an 1851 style part octagon/part round barrel. That is indeed an anomaly. I don't do .44 guns but that is a very desirable one to me. The creator of that gun is probably a guy like me who switches parts to create what he wants. I agree with the creator. Very nice gun.

Jim

maybe meant to be sort of a Leech and Rigdon except its a 44 with Army features. Typical Italian reproduction of something that never existed however appears to be a nice piece.

Here's a photo of an unfired ASM 1861 .36 7.5" barrel that was possibly made from leftover 2nd Gen. Colt parts that were sent by Iver Johnson to ASM for assembly.
It then made its way into an 1860 Army box marked Richland Arms, and has a Colt address on the barrel.
I'm posting it because the grip color and finish closely resembles the one in the OP, with a similar brass grip frame.
It may not really be an ASM at all, but rather made with Uberti parts.
The details about this revolver were recently posted by an administrator on a Facebook black powder group page.

I can't begin to name the manufacturer of this one. But I do agree that it most likely was put together buy an individual.
If you compare the cut water table to the rebated cylinder, they don't appear to match up. Also the barrel to frame fit up, maybe it's the photo. But to me the frame appears to be slightly wider than the barrel.
With all I've said I take nothing away from who ever built it. It's a beautiful revolver, one I'd love to own myself.

You won't be able to determine the manufacturer for sure, without more information. Too bad you didn't think of asking for more pics while the auction was going. There is likely a date code and some sort of manufacturers markings somewhere on it.
My guess would be that it was made in the 1970s, meant to be an 1851 Navy, and the plain cylinder and round barrel made it $1 cheaper.
It could have been made by any of the untold number of Italian gun makers turning out C&B revolvers at that time.

could be armi san marco

maint1517 said:

I can't begin to name the manufacturer of this one. But I do agree that it most likely was put together buy an individual.
If you compare the cut water table to the rebated cylinder, they don't appear to match up. Also the barrel to frame fit up, maybe it's the photo. But to me the frame appears to be slightly wider than the barrel.
With all I've said I take nothing away from who ever built it. It's a beautiful revolver, one I'd love to own myself.

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Malachi Leviticus Blue said:

You won't be able to determine the manufacturer for sure, without more information. Too bad you didn't think of asking for more pics while the auction was going. There is likely a date code and some sort of manufacturers markings somewhere on it.
My guess would be that it was made in the 1970s, meant to be an 1851 Navy, and the plain cylinder and round barrel made it $1 cheaper.
It could have been made by any of the untold number of Italian gun makers turning out C&B revolvers at that time.

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frontiergander said:

could be armi san marco

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Just my $.02 worth.

The steel frame looks to be an Italian replica 1860 Army .44 as it has both proof marks, is a 4-screw, and is cut for a shoulder stock. If so it should have a manufacturer date code but I cannot discern that from the picture. The barrel has both proof marks, so neither are kit gun parts. The cylinder has no roll-marked engraving, and as been stated, it is not a match for the water table cut. I really don't see a problem with the barrel lug to frame mating.

The wedge retaining screw has been messed with a lot because the screw slot is marred very much. That screw should never have to be moved during routine disassembly of the pistol for cleaning. The load lever pivot screw at the barrel lug appears to be a brass screw and it appears to be brand new.

The grip frame assembly appears to be 1851 Navy as it is shorter than what I have seen on 1860 Army pistols. Insofar as the blond wood, ?

I do not believe it to be an ASM as the rear TG shoulders are not shallow like an ASM.

I believe maint1517 got it right as a parts gun. I am one of those type of guys who does that but I stay with Pietta 1851 Navy .36 type guns for ease of parts swapping.

My fantasy 1851 Navy Second Model Dragoon .36 caliber version, which is a parts gun:



EK, I hope you find some satisfaction in your quest.

Jim

Ephraim Kibbey said:

Arcticap - I have one of those ASM 1861s MARKED "Richland-Arms-Co. Blissfield Michigan" on the right side of the 7.5 inch barrel and "- ADDRESS COL. SAM^L COLT NEW-YORK U.S. AMERICA -" on top. It has an "AI" date code and checkered dark walnut grips and is SN 68139. The Colt address is printed so it is read right side up with the revolver held in the right hand like most original and reproductions done by Colt. Most other Colt addressed ASMs have the barrel address running in the opposite direction so they read correctly when held in the left hand. It has "COLTS PATENT N^o" on the cylinder. I also have an 1860 Richland ASM that is marked the same way but has no cylinder marking as it is fully fluted. While I have not seen Willie Sutton post here in a long time, I believe he said he also had a Richland ASM that had a Colt barrel address.

Is this the one that you are referencing?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/787682191

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Yes, that must be the same revolver described on the Facebook black powder forum where I found the single photo.
Except the box says "Euroarms".
I had not seen it on Gunbroker nor was it referenced on Facebook, but the photo certainly looks the exact same.
You're a great detective! Thanks!

That’s a Navy Arms grip.
Chances are someone took a case hardened 1860 frame and matched it with a brass frame barrel(Navy Arms Confederate).