Help wanted: identify two pistols

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ok I’m gonna ask for some help identifying the following from a picture my aunt sent to me.
 

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Where’s oldfuff when ya need him, mans forgotten more about guns than I’ll ever know!
 
The muzzle loader looks too good - well preserved - without a box. Probably a fairly recent replica like Shanghai mentioned, or a Dixie Gunworks kit. They were popular in the 1970s or so.

The revolver is just what has been mentioned. I'm not convinced they are safe to shoot in reality. Some photos of the stamps and proof marks would be instructive for the muzzle loader, but it probably won't put anyone through college.
 
Actually it’s not a reproduction, it does have a box and a push rod that aren’t in the picture. It’s a family heirloom from my aunts husband side. It came to the US sometime around 1776-1786. Her husband was a watch/clock maker, and I do believe he inherited it sometime around 1956. I do believe it was altered as the push rod looks nothing like the stocks wood. And the box’s made from some dark flat black looking wood.
 
Ramrod.

Ramrods are not necessarily or even often made of the same wood as the stock which is usually walnut. American ramrods are typically hickory. Don't know what the English and Continentals used, apart from ebony on fancy pieces.
 
Ramrod.

Ramrods are not necessarily or even often made of the same wood as the stock which is usually walnut. American ramrods are typically hickory. Don't know what the English and Continentals used, apart from ebony on fancy pieces.

I stand corrected, and enlightened. I don't do much black powder. So even though the 2 pieces don't look alike doesn't mean they didn't come that way...interesting.
 
When I first hit the street after the academy, in early 1974.. RG's were the weapon you were most likely to encounter on the street (everyone I handled was a .22..) in every form they came in.... I always considered them dangerous to handle - much less shoot. We were told that occasionally one would actually fire two rounds with one trigger pull (the second straight from the cylinder - if that's possible). Manufactured overseas then assembled in Miami... the other thing you could count on was that most of them were so filthy (not from being fired..) that you wanted to glove up before handling one.... and I'm not talking about one covered in blood either...

The first one I ever recovered was lying in the street about 100 to 150 feet from a carload full of young fools that we'd stopped (vehicle matched a robbery description). The driver kept almost stopping then moving again until finally stopping (with enough blue lights behind and coming from up ahead to start a party...). While everyone else was standing in the street trying to sort out what we had (good guys and bad guys pretty much mingled) I wandered away a bit and noticed the piece laying in the middle of the street... The outfit I was with was pretty sloppy in those years -we tightened up and got professional over time (as all of south Florida went downhill (understatement...). That carload did go down for the robbery by the way - the RG was the only gun they'd had...
 
First one is an RG. The second is probably a CVA or Spanish.
The RG is a cheap gun but I never had a problem with them working. I never put thousands of rounds through them though
They are a nice cheap gun to throw in a tackle box. Not very accurate but good enough for a snake with shot shells or solid 22's
 
Maybe your Aunt could look or send more photos?

She is visiting my dad and some relative told her those guns where illegal to own and she was trying to get rid of them because they predate the need for model and serial numbers stamps. I tried to calm her down by explaining that all of the gun lovers who collect antiques are all going to have to liquidate to museums if that's the case. I explained C&R to her and even showed her the governments rules regarding antiquities so she can go back to Tennessee armed with the correct information she needed. But I hope to get a few more pictures as now she has me intrigued.
 
I would be highly skeptical about the family lore regarding such a black powder pistol. The photo looks like an inexpensive kit gun. Easy clues that it is relatively new would be if the barrel has rifling and sights. Historic pistols had neither.

Also, it is a caplock which didn't become common until the the 1820s so it wouldn't have come to the US in 1776-1786 as claimed.
 
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Of course it could have; many flinters were changed to cap lock just like cap & ball pistols were changed to cartridge.
 
Sure it is possible that someone who owns a $20 Rohm might also have a Revolutionary War pistol worth $5000 but that looks like a Traditions brand Kentucky kit pistol to me.
 
I am inclined to take the advice on this board over anything he might have spouted off as to its pedigree. As stated I see the hint of a sight profile which leads me to believe it is a kit gun. Thank you guys!
 
Caplocks didn't become available until the 1820's or so. They didn't become common until at least the 1840's. While the pistol could have been converted it doesn't show near enough evidence of ever having been a flintlock. IE pitting near what would have been the flash pan.
 
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