African-American Gun Owners Discuss Police and Other Interactions While Armed

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The Black community gets mixed messages on this. Yes, folks say that they want to see more African American gun owners, that all are welcome, etc., and I am sure that it is sincere for most. But, when a Black citizen does carry a gun, they literally take their lives in their hands, if they happen to run up against police. We don't really know all of what happened in the Alabama Mall, but Emantic Bradford was a licensed CCW holder and the assumptions worked against him. Police assumed (incorrectly) he must have been the shooter, and shot him from behind. Whether or not he would have been shot if were White we will never know, but the optics are not good, and it certainly acts to discourage others in his community from being the 'Black man with a gun'.

And don't forget that, historically, gun control in the South was explicitly about keeping blacks from owning firearms (see Watson v. Stone, FLA, 1941). The NRA needs to step it up, and perhaps show a little moral courage, if it intends to reach out to minority communities.

As for THR, this is one of the most enlightened firearm communities there is (and TFL). In plenty of other firearm forums you will see people make very hostile anti-minority comments (often anti-everything that is not white conservative Christian). If potential minority gun owners don't stumble across this forum first, they would be very discouraged by the firearms community.
 
Black gun owners are very important to the overall cause. One could make a very easy argument that they have a stronger claim to gun rights than anyone, if you pass the idea through a "needs based" mesh. Think about it - whites inherited the right by their nature, and it was assumed "we" had that right (speaking from a white male landowner perspective), while blacks were still sold in chains and weren't even counted amongst men as far as any sense of freedom. Even much later in the game, "free blacks" had to pass a litmus test to be able to vote in some jurisdictions, by proving they were literate.

Basic human rights, not so long ago, were strictly meant for white men.

Not women.

Not blacks.

Let's look at this from a different perspective, and talk about entitlement for a minute.

There are some folks who want to go back to the old ways. Life is hard and many white men who come up short on the ladder of success tend to want to blame everyone, and everything (except themselves) for their own shortcomings and failures. "I've failed at life, must be the blacks fault." Or some derivation thereof (I've failed at life, must be the liberals fault", or {insert blame shift subject here}). Basically, "life for white men used to be better and since my life sucks, I will stick the blame on some segment our current society instead of placing it where it belongs, on my own self." Lack of ambition, failure to prosper, failure to have it "easy" all sows the seeds of racism and blame-shift.

I've seen black folks do this as well, "I've failed at life, must be because of white entitlement." Now at one point in the not so distant past folks had a valid claim to this, because a white hand held the chains. But we're several generations past that point and it's pretty safe to say - given we've had a black president - that the "upper limits of ones own success depend not on the color of their skin but the merits of their mind, ambition, and work ethic." We've entered a new world where black men and women are judged by the character of their being, not by the color of their skin.

Those seeds of racism don't necessarily stem from entitlement; or lack thereof - no, in a modern context the seeds of racism stem from a dissatisfaction with one's own life trajectory and the basic human psychological deflection that "I suffer because of some other class of individual", when in fact, ones suffering is proportional to the amount of work, effort, and discipline one lives life with.

There's flawed logic here, however. The essence of the blame-shift root cause is that due to some injustice your life was made overly difficult - when in fact, every bit of your situation can be traced specifically to ones own shortcomings, lack of drive, lack of motivation, or some variation thereof.

There were plenty of poor white folk back in the day. My own ancestors were very, very poor. "Dirt poor." My family wasn't entitled to a dang thing they didn't earn, build, grow, or create on their own labor. Some of my ancestors weren't very enlightened and blamed the blacks. Some blamed Democrats. Some blamed republicans.

I've always owned up to my own shortcomings and when I fail, I blame myself. I'm man enough to admit my flaws.

I had all of the cards stacked against me, as it were, poor family, father shot himself, etc. I even derailed life further of my own accord by dropping out of high school.

But I pulled myself together, became educated in my own way, worked hard, raised a family of six, and forged a small little empire of land holdings and businesses. Not because I was entitled, but because I put in the hard work - and learned very early to blame myself when I screwed things up, not to take the easy road of blame-shifting to ease my wounded conscience.

Taking this mentally and applying it to the larger scale, it can be applied to larger problems, such as we are talking about in this thread. In fact, there's quite a basis FOR this very mindset to be used to solve these problems on a larger scale if you look back at some of what Dr. Martin Luther King once said;

“We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.”

“Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness.”

“Whatever your life’s work is, do it well. A man should do his job so well that the living, the dead, and the unborn could do it no better. ”


I'll get off my little soapbox now on the origins of racism as a blame-shift device used by men of weak mind and spirit, and get back on the gun rights bandwagon again, because I've made my point and there's no benefit to pushing it further ....

White, black, or any shade in between, we are all men and women, human beings, equally deserving of our chance to live life to the best of our ability, equally deserving of our lives, equally responsible to share the burden of both our mistakes and our own fortunes through success and failure, and equally deserving of the right to defend our lives, and the lives of our families.

This is the message we need to unite together with.

In many aspects, promoting peace through armed vigilance and carrying firearms as a last-line-of-defense to preserve life is the ultimate unifying factor between every human being on Earth. Being able to take responsibility for our own existence is the ultimate expression of this. Because, in the end, through the revelation that "all life is equally important" we might one day realize, universally, that we're all the same.

White, black, male, female, poor, rich, Christian, athiest, Buddhist, muslim, we all bleed red blood when wounded. We all feel pain. And we all have equal right to protect our lives, as rich or poor as they are, because all life is precious.

If things ever change to the point where a class of folks prosperity and freedom are threatened once again through forced servitude, and men are being sold as property? I'd be more than willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with black men bearing arms, to right the ship again, as we are all humans, and equally deserving at a fair chance at life, to do with what we will.

I encourage all humans to own firearms and learn to use them, to become educated. If only because the likelihood for the need to use them is largely mitigated by the sheer mass of folks who have them. The sins of the past, of human kind, are much less likely to be revisited in the future, upon a well armed population.

Pretty sure some old guys tried to condense that and write it in to a document once, long ago. Some guys who just fought a bloody war to secure their own liberty.
 
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Black gun owners are very important to the overall cause. One could make a very easy argument that they have a stronger claim to gun rights than anyone, if you pass the idea through a "needs based" mesh. Think about it - whites inherited the right by their nature, and it was assumed "we" had that right (speaking from a white male landowner perspective), while blacks were still sold in chains and weren't even counted amongst men as far as any sense of freedom. Even much later in the game, "free blacks" had to pass a litmus test to be able to vote in some jurisdictions, by proving they were literate.

Basic human rights, not so long ago, were strictly meant for white men.

Not women.

Not blacks.

Let's look at this from a different perspective, and talk about entitlement for a minute.

There are some folks who want to go back to the old ways. Life is hard and many white men who come up short on the ladder of success tend to want to blame everyone, and everything (except themselves) for their own shortcomings and failures. "I've failed at life, must be the blacks fault." Or some derivation thereof (I've failed at life, must be the liberals fault", or {insert blame shift subject here}). Basically, "life for white men used to be better and since my life sucks, I will stick the blame on some segment our current society instead of placing it where it belongs, on my own self." Lack of ambition, failure to prosper, failure to have it "easy" all sows the seeds of racism and blame-shift.

I've seen black folks do this as well, "I've failed at life, must be because of white entitlement." Now at one point in the not so distant past folks had a valid claim to this, because a white hand held the chains. But we're several generations past that point and it's pretty safe to say - given we've had a black president - that the "upper limits of ones own success depend not on the color of their skin but the merits of their mind, ambition, and work ethic." We've entered a new world where black men and women are judged by the character of their being, not by the color of their skin.

Those seeds of racism don't necessarily stem from entitlement; or lack thereof - no, in a modern context the seeds of racism stem from a dissatisfaction with one's own life trajectory and the basic human psychological deflection that "I suffer because of some other class of individual", when in fact, ones suffering is proportional to the amount of work, effort, and discipline one lives life with.

There's flawed logic here, however. The essence of the blame-shift root cause is that due to some injustice your life was made overly difficult - when in fact, every bit of your situation can be traced specifically to ones own shortcomings, lack of drive, lack of motivation, or some variation thereof.

There were plenty of poor white folk back in the day. My own ancestors were very, very poor. "Dirt poor." My family wasn't entitled to a dang thing they didn't earn, build, grow, or create on their own labor. Some of my ancestors weren't very enlightened and blamed the blacks. Some blamed Democrats. Some blamed republicans.

I've always owned up to my own shortcomings and when I fail, I blame myself. I'm man enough to admit my flaws.

I had all of the cards stacked against me, as it were, poor family, father shot himself, etc. I even derailed life further of my own accord by dropping out of high school.

But I pulled myself together, became educated in my own way, worked hard, raised a family of six, and forged a small little empire of land holdings and businesses. Not because I was entitled, but because I put in the hard work - and learned very early to blame myself when I screwed things up, not to take the easy road of blame-shifting to ease my wounded conscience.

Taking this mentally and applying it to the larger scale, it can be applied to larger problems, such as we are talking about in this thread. In fact, there's quite a basis FOR this very mindset to be used to solve these problems on a larger scale if you look back at some of what Dr. Martin Luther King once said;

“We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.”

“Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness.”

“Whatever your life’s work is, do it well. A man should do his job so well that the living, the dead, and the unborn could do it no better. ”


I'll get off my little soapbox now on the origins of racism as a blame-shift device used by men of weak mind and spirit, and get back on the gun rights bandwagon again, because I've made my point and there's no benefit to pushing it further ....

White, black, or any shade in between, we are all men and women, human beings, equally deserving of our chance to live life to the best of our ability, equally deserving of our lives, equally responsible to share the burden of both our mistakes and our own fortunes through success and failure, and equally deserving of the right to defend our lives, and the lives of our families.

This is the message we need to unite together with.

In many aspects, promoting peace through armed vigilance and carrying firearms as a last-line-of-defense to preserve life is the ultimate unifying factor between every human being on Earth. Being able to take responsibility for our own existence is the ultimate expression of this. Because, in the end, through the revelation that "all life is equally important" we might one day realize, universally, that we're all the same.

White, black, male, female, poor, rich, Christian, athiest, Buddhist, muslim, we all bleed red blood when wounded. We all feel pain. And we all have equal right to protect our lives, as rich or poor as they are, because all life is precious.

If things ever change to the point where a class of folks prosperity and freedom are threatened once again through forced servitude, and men are being sold as property? I'd be more than willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with black men bearing arms, to right the ship again, as we are all humans, and equally deserving at a fair chance at life, to do with what we will.

I encourage all humans to own firearms and learn to use them, to become educated. If only because the likelihood for the need to use them is largely mitigated by the sheer mass of folks who have them. The sins of the past, of human kind, are much less likely to be revisited in the future, upon a well armed population.

Pretty sure some old guys tried to condense that and write it in to a document once, long ago. Some guys who just fought a bloody war to secure their own liberty.

Well said.
 
The Black community gets mixed messages on this.
The message from the left to Black people on a MYRIAD of issues, from voting rights to guns is uniformly INFANTILIZING. This was even touched on in recent news reports. I've been experiencing it personally for most of my sixty two years on this planet.

I have never been talked down to so much as by White, anti-gun Democrats. And I'm not even counting the ones who overtly hurled racial slurs at me for failing to OBEY their ORDERS.

There is a deep rooted fear of Black people with guns in the Democrat party. It originated LONG before the Civil War, and indeed before the Revolutionary War.

I would never deny the racism that I've seen in some gun owners, but the fundamental fear and hatred of Black gun owners by the anti-gun cult is simply astonishing at times, as are the rhetorical knots into which they tie themselves to justify/deny it. The sub-text is, "Justin Volpe's a terrible guy... but he keeps THEM disarmed and in line."

The anti-gun left has what I call the "game preserve" model of the Black community. To them, we're just animals, and in any environment there are going to be predators and prey. If the "lions" take a certain number of "antelope", that's just nature. If the "game wardens" mistake a few of the antelope for "lions", and kill them (or even kill a few just for fun) that's ok too. The anti-gun "tourists" may look down their noses at the "game wardens", but they're useful in controlling the prey AND the predators. The "tourists" don't live on the preserve anyway, and figure they're safe.

But when the "antelope" grow claws and fangs and start disemboweling the "lions", that's "unnatural" and has to be stopped immediately. They may not respect the "game wardens", but they'll use them to restore the "natural order".
 
Black gun owners are very important to the overall cause. One could make a very easy argument that they have a stronger claim to gun rights than anyone, if you pass the idea through a "needs based" mesh. Think about it - whites inherited the right by their nature, and it was assumed "we" had that right (speaking from a white male landowner perspective), while blacks were still sold in chains and weren't even counted amongst men as far as any sense of freedom. Even much later in the game, "free blacks" had to pass a litmus test to be able to vote in some jurisdictions, by proving they were literate.

Basic human rights, not so long ago, were strictly meant for white men.

Not women.

Not blacks.

Let's look at this from a different perspective, and talk about entitlement for a minute.

There are some folks who want to go back to the old ways. Life is hard and many white men who come up short on the ladder of success tend to want to blame everyone, and everything (except themselves) for their own shortcomings and failures. "I've failed at life, must be the blacks fault." Or some derivation thereof (I've failed at life, must be the liberals fault", or {insert blame shift subject here}). Basically, "life for white men used to be better and since my life sucks, I will stick the blame on some segment our current society instead of placing it where it belongs, on my own self." Lack of ambition, failure to prosper, failure to have it "easy" all sows the seeds of racism and blame-shift.

I've seen black folks do this as well, "I've failed at life, must be because of white entitlement." Now at one point in the not so distant past folks had a valid claim to this, because a white hand held the chains. But we're several generations past that point and it's pretty safe to say - given we've had a black president - that the "upper limits of ones own success depend not on the color of their skin but the merits of their mind, ambition, and work ethic." We've entered a new world where black men and women are judged by the character of their being, not by the color of their skin.

Those seeds of racism don't necessarily stem from entitlement; or lack thereof - no, in a modern context the seeds of racism stem from a dissatisfaction with one's own life trajectory and the basic human psychological deflection that "I suffer because of some other class of individual", when in fact, ones suffering is proportional to the amount of work, effort, and discipline one lives life with.

There's flawed logic here, however. The essence of the blame-shift root cause is that due to some injustice your life was made overly difficult - when in fact, every bit of your situation can be traced specifically to ones own shortcomings, lack of drive, lack of motivation, or some variation thereof.

There were plenty of poor white folk back in the day. My own ancestors were very, very poor. "Dirt poor." My family wasn't entitled to a dang thing they didn't earn, build, grow, or create on their own labor. Some of my ancestors weren't very enlightened and blamed the blacks. Some blamed Democrats. Some blamed republicans.

I've always owned up to my own shortcomings and when I fail, I blame myself. I'm man enough to admit my flaws.

I had all of the cards stacked against me, as it were, poor family, father shot himself, etc. I even derailed life further of my own accord by dropping out of high school.

But I pulled myself together, became educated in my own way, worked hard, raised a family of six, and forged a small little empire of land holdings and businesses. Not because I was entitled, but because I put in the hard work - and learned very early to blame myself when I screwed things up, not to take the easy road of blame-shifting to ease my wounded conscience.

Taking this mentally and applying it to the larger scale, it can be applied to larger problems, such as we are talking about in this thread. In fact, there's quite a basis FOR this very mindset to be used to solve these problems on a larger scale if you look back at some of what Dr. Martin Luther King once said;

“We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.”

“Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness.”

“Whatever your life’s work is, do it well. A man should do his job so well that the living, the dead, and the unborn could do it no better. ”


I'll get off my little soapbox now on the origins of racism as a blame-shift device used by men of weak mind and spirit, and get back on the gun rights bandwagon again, because I've made my point and there's no benefit to pushing it further ....

White, black, or any shade in between, we are all men and women, human beings, equally deserving of our chance to live life to the best of our ability, equally deserving of our lives, equally responsible to share the burden of both our mistakes and our own fortunes through success and failure, and equally deserving of the right to defend our lives, and the lives of our families.

This is the message we need to unite together with.

In many aspects, promoting peace through armed vigilance and carrying firearms as a last-line-of-defense to preserve life is the ultimate unifying factor between every human being on Earth. Being able to take responsibility for our own existence is the ultimate expression of this. Because, in the end, through the revelation that "all life is equally important" we might one day realize, universally, that we're all the same.

White, black, male, female, poor, rich, Christian, athiest, Buddhist, muslim, we all bleed red blood when wounded. We all feel pain. And we all have equal right to protect our lives, as rich or poor as they are, because all life is precious.

If things ever change to the point where a class of folks prosperity and freedom are threatened once again through forced servitude, and men are being sold as property? I'd be more than willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with black men bearing arms, to right the ship again, as we are all humans, and equally deserving at a fair chance at life, to do with what we will.

I encourage all humans to own firearms and learn to use them, to become educated. If only because the likelihood for the need to use them is largely mitigated by the sheer mass of folks who have them. The sins of the past, of human kind, are much less likely to be revisited in the future, upon a well armed population.

Pretty sure some old guys tried to condense that and write it in to a document once, long ago. Some guys who just fought a bloody war to secure their own liberty.
Amen.!
 
One thing I don't understand about African Americans , over 80 percent of the African Americans that vote , vote Democrat . I guess their 2nd amendment right is not a high priority for most of them and most would be fine with confiscation and banning guns .
 
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One thing I don't understand about African Americans , over 80 percent of them vote Democrat . I guess their 2nd amendment right is not a high priority for most of them and most would be fine with confiscation and banning guns .
If you "educate" people to be slaves, they'll act like slaves.

Generations of Black people have been taught that they:
  • can't feed themselves
  • can't get a picture ID (even though I know NOBODY, Black, White or Asian who DOESN'T have one)
  • can't educate themselves
  • can't defend themselves
NOBODY ever wanted me to be ignorant OR disarmed for MY benefit.

Invidiously racist gun controls are just a part of the infantilization of Black America.
 
One thing I don't understand about African Americans , over 80 percent of them vote Democrat . I guess their 2nd amendment right is not a high priority for most of them and most would be fine with confiscation and banning guns .
Most people, no matter their skin color, make judgements based on emotional associations and not logic or principles. If you are a rural White guy who associates guns with positive things like hunting with dad, target shooting, and being outdoors, then you will tend to view guns positively. If you are an urban Black guy who has only seen guns used in gang warfare, or in the hands of police who seem to target you disproportionately, then of course you will view guns negatively, or as a necessary evil at best.

Negative emotional associations in most cases cannot be overcome with principled, legal or logical arguments; they can only be countered by forming new emotional associations which are positive. That’s why I think a fun, non confrontational trip to the range with a new person does a more for the 2A than all the airtight Constitutional arguments, or fearmongering scare tactics we can come up with.
 
A couple of guys I worked with last decade were apprehensive about being the only black folks among all those armed white guys, when I invited them to be guests at a range I shot at.
Sad isn't it?
 
Not that it can't be corrected, however, it's too bad that collectively, blacks allowed themselves to be put into this position.
 
I picked up a copy of Field & Stream at the dentist's office the other day and saw some black dudes with shotguns in an article, rabbit hunting. It just didn't look right. It was right. There's no question that it is right. But the inclusion of people of color, not just blacks but Hispanics and Asians, or as some people see it, "Vietnamese, Chinese, Mexicans, Arabs, Pakistanis and Indians," in the traditionally white gun culture in the US is a stark contrast to the tradition the people who have been included in it for generations are accustomed to. But the gun culture isn't just based on tradition. It's also based on principle.

The way it's been, I can see why non-white people don't even want to be part of the "Field & Stream" set. I still think there is a lot of merit to this part of American culture that doesn't necessarily involve imitating all the nuances of it's past. There is room for change and for new traditions. My own family is multi-ethnic. Finding something about gun culture that interests them isn't the hard part. Getting them out of a metro-area in California where the anti-gun culture is oppressive is the hard part.
 
One thing I don't understand about African Americans , over 80 percent of them vote Democrat . I guess their 2nd amendment right is not a high priority for most of them and most would be fine with confiscation and banning guns .

Doesn't matter what they vote. Most of them live in areas where their votes will be illegally changed to Democrat for them.

No way that 80% of them are voting. Maybe 30% of them vote, and 80% of those votes are Democrat.

These are the same people that have been brainwashed so badly, that they think that the free womens health clinics in their neighborhoods, that specialize in abortions, are good for them. A gift from the Democrats. You don't see too many free abortion clinics in white hoods.

I don't want anything to do with Fuds anymore. The Fuds work way too hard to make all gun owners look bad. And the NRA owes me and our president an apology.
 
A couple of guys I worked with last decade were apprehensive about being the only black folks among all those armed white guys, when I invited them to be guests at a range I shot at.
Sad isn't it?

My wife felt the same way the first time I took her and my two oldest to an indoor range. She was so relieved when there were other black shooters there that day. The two oldest finished that day thinking shooting at the range was a normal and safe experience, as it should be.

The second oldest has taken up shooting with her other black friends on occasion, too. She's got the brains of the family, and it's not just because she likes to shoot.
 
. . . Those seeds of racism don't necessarily stem from entitlement; or lack thereof - no, in a modern context the seeds of racism stem from a dissatisfaction with one's own life trajectory and the basic human psychological deflection that "I suffer because of some other class of individual", when in fact, ones suffering is proportional to the amount of work, effort, and discipline one lives life with.

There's flawed logic here, however. The essence of the blame-shift root cause is that due to some injustice your life was made overly difficult - when in fact, every bit of your situation can be traced specifically to ones own shortcomings, lack of drive, lack of motivation, or some variation thereof.

There were plenty of poor white folk back in the day. My own ancestors were very, very poor. "Dirt poor." My family wasn't entitled to a dang thing they didn't earn, build, grow, or create on their own labor. Some of my ancestors weren't very enlightened and blamed the blacks. Some blamed Democrats. Some blamed republicans. . .

I recently read a very good book on this, White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America. Un the US, the social dividing line is now more likely to be socio-economic status rather than race. However, there is frequently an assumption, in regard to socio-economic status, that is based on race. I work with a black man that always wears a coat and tie. While I do the same, it isn't required. I talked to him about it once. He made the point that, if he dressed otherwise, he would be hassled more. The bad part is that it is probably true. I leave work and take off my tie, he keeps his on.


One thing I don't understand about African Americans , over 80 percent of them vote Democrat . I guess their 2nd amendment right is not a high priority for most of them and most would be fine with confiscation and banning guns .

Most people, no matter their skin color, make judgements based on emotional associations and not logic or principles. If you are a rural White guy who associates guns with positive things like hunting with dad, target shooting, and being outdoors, then you will tend to view guns positively. If you are an urban Black guy who has only seen guns used in gang warfare, or in the hands of police who seem to target you disproportionately, then of course you will view guns negatively, or as a necessary evil at best.

Negative emotional associations in most cases cannot be overcome with principled, legal or logical arguments; they can only be countered by forming new emotional associations which are positive. That’s why I think a fun, non confrontational trip to the range with a new person does a more for the 2A than all the airtight Constitutional arguments, or fearmongering scare tactics we can come up with.

Hopefully, we can keep this gun related and not go into the mud with R=Good and D=Bad. I don't agree that:
Most people, no matter their skin color, make judgements based on emotional associations and not logic or principles.
However, they may combine the information available to them, and their collected experiences, and come to a different conclusion than I would have. Unfortunately, there is no way a person can find any political party that reflects all of their:
principled, legal or logical arguments
. It comes down to weighing many factors and making the best choice based on those weights.
 
The things we experience and are taught form what we think is normal. My "normal" when I was younger was wrong on many levels, but I was blessed in that every time I was about to make a decision that would have changed my life irreparably, I met someone who was a positive influence and was slowly steered in the right direction. Both the people in the article and police in high crime areas have "normals" that are unfortunate, and the problem feeds on itself and grows. Most people living in high crime areas are good people who happen to be poor and do not have the means to get out as they don't have anyone offering guidance, such as I did. What we see here in Chicago on our west and south sides is gangs taking over neighborhoods, terrorizing the good people who live there and causing fear and distrust in the police officers working those areas. That normal for police officers causes them to interact with people differently than police officers in low crime areas, which is what the people in the article experienced. Among the people who live in these areas, those interactions feed the stereotype that police officers are the enemy when they're not, causing them to treat the police negatively and the problem snowballs. It's a bad situation resulting in good people, such as those in the article, paying the price. One solution is as gun owners to treat everyone, regardless of who they are with respect, hopefully changing the negative stereotype we're portrayed with.
 
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I think some of the tough neighborhoods being talked about are perfect examples of "when you make gun ownership a crime only criminals have guns". I personally have a lot of empathy for someone stuck in a neighborhood like that and not being allowed to own a firearm to defend themselves while there are predators everywhere armed. What a tough spot to be in.
 
Glad to see this being discussed intelligently.

America has more than one face. Some discount others when they don't see what the others see.

Sadly, many Black "leaders" embrace the job of "useful idiot" to champion disarming minority communities.
 
In my little neighborhood, you can count the non-Caucasians on your fingers. Perhaps being of Pinay descent is different but the only "racism" I've had to deal with have been from city people passing through. My County Seat lies in the path of a well advertised tourist trap amusement park in the next County and to my knowledge the County Sheriff and his deputies make no differentiation due to skin color. Neither do the residents (by and large) of this County.

However, this is not to say that certain black visitors haven't had problems with the locals. Ten years ago (give or take) a group of black men came into the convenience store where I was waiting to pay for gas. One of the men got on one side of me and one on the other and made some pretty forward suggestions that made me get more than a little defensive. That defensiveness was rewarded by accusing me of being racist. Perhaps in the culture they had just came from such behavior is acceptable. In this culture it is not. Had they not backed off when I… Politely ask them to I like as not would have drawn my weapon. It was not to race it made me uncomfortable but their behavior.

Perhaps instead of shouting racism every time there is an event. Perhaps the dialogue should be of how to reconcile the differences in culture. Being a Pinay raised in a Caucasian family, I have noticed that when I visit my Philippine relatives I simply do not fit in well. The problem is not race in most cases, it's culture.
 
I think some of the tough neighborhoods being talked about are perfect examples of "when you make gun ownership a crime only criminals have guns".
And that is completely by design, and in no small part because those in power draw no distinction between Black [and Hispanic] criminals and non-criminals. To them we're just an undifferentiated mass to be controlled.

That's why cops on a popular Chicago cop blog called Black people living on the South Side of Chicago "savages" to the point where the mainstream media noticed and started talking about it, and the blog owner literally banned the use of the word.

That's why Nancy Pelosi babbled about "the spark of divinity" in MS13 members who regularly rape and hack to death other people.

If you admit that Black people need to defend themselves (largely from other Black people), then you have to admit that Black people are adults with moral agency who make adult choices, some of them profoundly evil.

The pathological resistance to this results in the contemptible spectacle of a Black Ohio State employee responding to the police shooting of a Somali "car and knife" jihadi by blurting out "Black lives matter!".

It results in the immediate accusation (completely contrary to all evidence) that Charles Kinsey was shot by Officer Jonathan Aledda because he "failed to obey orders"... while lying on his back with his hands in the air.
 
If potential minority gun owners don't stumble across this forum first, they would be very discouraged by the firearms community.
Unfortunately there is some truth to that.
The problem is not race in most cases, it's culture.
Yep.

Maybe we can get the race baiters and the stir the hate pot folks in the USA to just simply stop. Haters will never be a part of the solution and we have moved farther apart in the last decade, not closer.
 
If you admit that Black people need to defend themselves (largely from other Black people), then you have to admit that Black people are adults with moral agency who make adult choices, some of them profoundly evil.
A good point. One I cannot expound on without getting political.
 
I don't think the NRA is racist. I do think their political leadership is so aligned with just general social and political conservatism that they very frequently lose sight of the fact that they are supposed to be about gun rights (and other gun-related stuff), not supporting law enforcement or prayer in schools or anti-abortion stuff or the war on Christmas or sharia law or whatever else Sean Hannity is on about these days.

I actually don't think the NRA has any incentive to reach out. They get a lot of their juice from political conflict. Think about it - if there were an absolute and unchallenged right to bear arms, we would have no need for the NRA, nor the ecosystem they generate. So, by encouraging division, the ensure their continued relevance.
 
I actually don't think the NRA has any incentive to reach out. They get a lot of their juice from political conflict. Think about it - if there were an absolute and unchallenged right to bear arms, we would have no need for the NRA, nor the ecosystem they generate. So, by encouraging division, the ensure their continued relevance.
So, if the NRA went away, Moms Demand Action would be running the National Matches?
 
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