Bump Stocks Banned

Zerodefect said:

Please enlighten us.

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See Post #71 above.

Just make full autos legal again. Problem solved.

And my darn suppressor.

Zerodefect said:

Just make full autos legal again. Problem solved.

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That's one legal option.

<*(((>< said:

Key words, "...single function of the trigger", the minute the gun recoils your finger away from the trigger it is no longer a "single function of the trigger." The trigger went from being pressed, to depressed, to pressed again. Not in any stretch of ones imagination is that a full auto scenario.

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That technical argument is going to be the first line of attack in the coming lawsuits. The second line of attack will be the 5th Amendment "taking without compensation" argument, and the distant third line of attack will be that it's a 2nd Amendment infringement. I doubt that the courts will ever get to the 2nd Amendment considerations.

Zerodefect said:

Technically, you still have a right to them. You just have to pay the NFA fee, and jump through hoops like the rest of us, now.

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This is not accurate. A bump stock was not created "pre '86" therefore isn't transferrable as an NFA machine gun. It sucks, but those that own bump stocks have to destroy them or turn them over to be in compliance with this new rule.

Zerodefect said:

Just make full autos legal again. Problem solved.

And my darn suppressor.

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Mike OTDP said:

That's one legal option.

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I imagine that the courts would have no issue if the Legislature changed the law to include bump stocks in the definition of machine guns either. You know, since they are the ones who are supposed to write the law, unlike the Administration.

There was a thread some time ago suggesting several folks were okay with giving up a crumb or two to “get something in return”, or to even simply avoid having something else “more important” taken away.

I was surprised then and continue to be so. What happened to “not one more inch”?

Can I trade a millimeter for a suppressor?

I don't see bumpstocks, and just bumpstocks, as giving anything away. It seems more like something we shouldn't have been playing with at all. What's going to happen when someone gets famous with a Sig brace?

Zerodefect said:

So they reword it in the legislature to a single function of the ''trigger finger'', and now we've lost bumpstocks and binary's. Seems even worse.

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That's not correct at all. There are a whole set of steps necessary for the bumpstock to work as intended. If you just pick a rifle with one installed and pull the trigger once and only one round fires. Even when the bumpstock is firing very fast the trigger is being pulled every time.

Binary triggers fire one round with the pull of the trigger and one round with the release of the trigger. That's is 2 separate functions. It's a very important distinction.

The thing about the law is that it is very technical. You can't just feel a certain way about an issue and so magically the law changes. You actually have to read the law and understand what is written and correctly analyze it. Words have meanings. Even Obama's DOJ/BATFE understood this concept.

Trump Stocks.

I'm OK with this. Pretty much giving up nothing.

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Except for the “We just changed our minds, you have 90 days to destroy or give up before your are a criminal.” part.

Wait until they do that with mags...

I have no dog in this fight other than the fact this was purchased as an legal device an I see no way the government will get around the compensation argument. That sai, I consider them to be a useless attachment to an otherwise fine firearm.
Have any of you read the new laws going into effect regarding the possession of mags that hold more than ten rounds? Now that is something to get excited about.

Zerodefect said:

Just make full autos legal again. Problem solved.

And my darn suppressor.

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Don't supressors interfere with systems designed for "triagulation" of position where shots fired come from? If so they aren't going to take away regulations making them more difficult to obtain.

AlexanderA said:

I have the distinct feeling that the noose is tightening around my neck. I don't own any bump stocks, but this sets the precedent that semiautomatics, especially the AR-15, can reclassified as machine guns by mere administrative fiat. That, in combination with the Hughes Amendment, means that they can be declared contraband without grandfathering and without compensation. If you are subsequently caught with one, you could be sent to federal prison for up to 10 years. Trump might not do this, but his successor very well might.

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That is why I got rid of AKM few weeks prior to last presidential election and why I woun't buy new S&W M&P 15 for $500.

Given that the NRA has taken on a decidedly orange tint lately I don’t see them raising even a tiny little peep about this. I know less than nothing about how to file a federal lawsuit. Is SAF or some other organization going to take the reins on opposing this?

Elkins45 said:

Given that the NRA has taken on a decidedly orange tint lately I don’t see them raising even a tiny little peep about this. I know less than nothing about how to file a federal lawsuit. Is SAF or some other organization going to take the reins on opposing this?

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I believe I saw a Gun Owners of America statement to that effect.

<*(((>< said:

I was confused as well, but chalked it up to misunderstanding. I have thick skin, it's evident by this forums membership of all places that we need to have thick skin on 2A issues with the arrows coming from the rear..

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Yeah, totally my bad.
I was starting to get a little warm under the collar and didn’t look at the user name, and on top of that I misunderstood the entire point you were trying to make...

Apologies, sometimes I’m just an idiot, quite possibly more than sometimes.

This thread will likely be better without me, so I’ll just read from here out. I’ve already gone closer to the low road than I intended to.

At the end of the day, I really enjoy this place and will fight for the rights of everyone here, even if they want reciprocate.

DeepSouth said:

Do you people not realized that hundreds of guns can be described as violating the spirt of the law, or bypassing the restrictions, or how ever you want to put it. When you people start letting the gov decide what the law should mean instead of what it LITERALLY SAYS that is a very, very dangerous path.

What’s next
Pistol braces
Mossberg shockwaves
Taurus judges
Most semi auto rifles made in Cali in the last 20 years?


I guess we’ll have to let next lot of antigun politicians to take control to find out.... good job!


The question we ask ask anti gunners al the time is “why shouldn’t I as a law abiding citizen have the right to own a gun?”
That’s my question for you all...why should I as a law abiding citizen LOOSE the right to own a bump stock?”

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Their answer to your last question will be loss of individual right is needed to help assure collective safety. For example, someone could steal it and use it in commission of crimes.

adcoch1 said:

This is not accurate. A bump stock was not created "pre '86" therefore isn't transferrable as an NFA machine gun.

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Even if it was created before May 19, 1986, that's still not enough. It had to have been "lawfully possessed" (i.e., registered) prior to that date.

So what is going to happen to those of us who can bump fire a rifle without the need of a "bump stock"?

It’s too bad when we elect someone that is “pro 2nd Amendment” we get sold out.

His re-election is already not going to be a cakewalk no need to ruffle the feathers of your supporters.

He didn’t even get anything out of it, like a trade for Dem support for other campaign promises he made.

Not sure if it would be a good chapter in “The art of the deal.”

jmorris said:

It’s too bad when we elect someone that is “pro 2nd Amendment” we get sold out.

His re-election is already not going to be a cakewalk no need to ruffle the feathers of your supporters.

He didn’t even get anything out of it, like a trade for Dem support for other campaign promises he made.

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“Take the firearms first and then go to court... It takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early..” - POTUS, March 2018



The hearing protection act is not going to happen, and never was. Same with national reciprocity.

Robert said:

I don't like and have no use for something so I'm ok with it being banned... Who's side are you on?

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Robert said:

I don't like and have no use for something so I'm ok with it being banned... Who's side are you on?

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I do not support their ownership because more out there means more chances disturbed individual can shoot into crowd increasing number of casualties. Such events are used to further deteriorate rights of gun owners.

As much as I would like to see this regulation overturned by the courts, there is one danger: Congress. If the regulatory approach gets shot down, that will give impetus for Congress to act, and once they get started, they probably won't stop at just bump stocks. This is why Sen. Feinstein was against the regulatory approach from the beginning. She can be counted on to not give anything away to gun owners. And with an issue as emotional as bump stocks post-Las Vegas, the antis can probably get the requisite 13 Senate Republicans to sign on. And then Trump would sign it since he's already on record as being against bump stocks. Folks, I think the gun community got outmaneuvered on this, thanks to mishandling by both the NRA and Trump. If Trump thought he could gain votes by banning bump stocks, he was wrong. He won't gain a single vote and he will lose plenty of votes.

I don't have strong opinion on this, but I am going to laugh at those that after Las Vegas jumped to pay (immediately inflated) prices of $700-1000, even they have never intended to own them before. Some just for the heck of having one, while some people saw them as "investment". If i remember correctly, prices of bump stocks fell to normal within a month or two
Few years ago, when there was a shooting in Portland, a member here posted new thread '' SPENT WHOLE PAYCHECK ON AMMO TODAY", and proceed to give everybody advice to ''immediately stock up on ammo, because Obama is going to ban ammunition sales"
One can reply to something like that with sarcastic "Wow! good for you ! I am really happy that you can afford to spend entire paycheck on non-essentials", or to be more honest and say " It is not Obama, it is you panic-inducing morons..."