Gun safe questions

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If you are at home and they get the jump on you, no safe will hold up, they'll put a gun to you or your loved ones head and you will open it. Security needs to be layered for that reason as well.
IF A DOOR OR WINDOW OPENS A ALARM GOES OFF BESIDE MY M1-CARBINE BESIDE ME IN MY BEDROOM & RELOADING ROOM----THIS MAY GIVE ME AN EDGE--ALSO i CARRY A PANIC ALARM CLICKER FOR ALARM CO. IN MY POCKET.
BATHTUB IS ABOUT THE ONLY PLACE THEY WILL CATCH ME WITHOUT A GUN. ALSO THE WIFE IS ARMED & SO IS MY YOUNGEST WHO IS HOME FOR THE MOMENT. i DO HAVE SOME SECURITY OK!!!!!
 
IF A DOOR OR WINDOW OPENS A ALARM GOES OFF BESIDE MY M1-CARBINE BESIDE ME IN MY BEDROOM & RELOADING ROOM----THIS MAY GIVE ME AN EDGE--ALSO i CARRY A PANIC ALARM CLICKER FOR ALARM CO. IN MY POCKET.
BATHTUB IS ABOUT THE ONLY PLACE THEY WILL CATCH ME WITHOUT A GUN. ALSO THE WIFE IS ARMED & SO IS MY YOUNGEST WHO IS HOME FOR THE MOMENT. i DO HAVE SOME SECURITY OK!!!!!
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Ron
 
If it’s a lighter Stack-On cabinet and it’s not bolted down, he might grab the entire thing and throw it in his truck/van and worry about breaking into it later

Yep. Only 'dumb' crooks try to bust a safe while onsite. (The REALLY dumb ones will try to go through the door vs. a side, back, or the top)

Doesn't always matter how much weight is involved either,,,

Read where a guy had a safe full,,,, The safe itself, EMPTY, weighed 1400 lbs.

Came home after work,,, All gone,,,,,,
 
IF A DOOR OR WINDOW OPENS A ALARM GOES OFF BESIDE MY M1-CARBINE BESIDE ME IN MY BEDROOM & RELOADING ROOM----THIS MAY GIVE ME AN EDGE--ALSO i CARRY A PANIC ALARM CLICKER FOR ALARM CO. IN MY POCKET.
BATHTUB IS ABOUT THE ONLY PLACE THEY WILL CATCH ME WITHOUT A GUN. ALSO THE WIFE IS ARMED & SO IS MY YOUNGEST WHO IS HOME FOR THE MOMENT. i DO HAVE SOME SECURITY OK!!!!!
Ok, but my hearing is fine. :)
 
I recently moved my nice looking, but inexpensive, wood gun cabinet with an etched glass door from the storage room to my living room.

The only thing it holds it my old, broken Marlin M60. The gun is in beautiful shape, so looks nice on display, but is useless if it gets stolen. When I'm able to I might Look around for more guns like this to display
Brilliant! A decoy. If thieves are busy scooping up worthless junk they'll have less time to look for your safe.
 
Security cabinets, Residential Security Containers, and bonafide "Safes" are all just tools to buy you some time. How much time you buy depends entirely on the type of security container you buy, the sophistication of the burglar, and the types of tools that they either bring with them or have on hand at your house.

Many threads of this sort eventually go in the direction of reminding people that residential security containers are not legitimate safes, and I suppose that's a true point from a burglary insurance standpoint. I can tell you that I've looked at getting a TL-15, TL-30, or TL-30x6 safe to keep my long gun collection safe (those safes are true, rated "safes"). The cost of acquiring such a safe is enormous in most cases, and they literally way 1-3 tons. I'd love to have a safe like that, but I haven't been able to justify the purchase in any reasonable way. But, the TL rated safes are the ones that provide you with true security against anything short of a professional safe cracker who has significant time and the correct tools to work on the safe.

The other extreme is the "stack on" style security cabinets. It's basically a glorified locker. If you have a pry bar you can open one of these pretty easily. Heck, you could probably open one with a thick screwdriver and a hammer if you were motivated. They'll stop your kids from getting the guns, and they'll stop the crackhead who quickly runs through your home with no tools, time, or means to transport the cabinet. These are low-security options, but they're better than keeping the guns laying on the kitchen table.

The intermediate option is a RSC. These are what you see at Walmart, Costco, Cabelas, gun stores, etc. The cost and quality vary greatly, but as a general rule the manufacturers overstate the true security of these safes. I'm not a safe cracker or a locksmith, and I'm confident that I could get into the high-end Liberty "safes" in 10 minutes or less using the tools I keep in the bed of my truck at all times (despite any of their advertising to the contrary). When bolted down these RSC will generally still stop most crooks even with crowbars and whatnot, but they're not going to stop someone who has the tools and time, and goes to your house knowing what they're trying to accomplish. Nevertheless, safes of this variety often represent the practical limit for what the average homeowner is going to be able to acquire (500-1,200 pound range in most case). They'll keep most bad guys out under most circumstances, but in my opinion they won't hold up against an attack by someone who goes into the crime knowing that they're going to try to crack a safe.

So, when people ask whether "x safe" or "y safe" is a good safe, I think it's important that we're all on the same page regarding what we're talking about. If you want a nearly impenetrable fortress of a safe that will stop even most skilled and planned attacks, then you can fork out the $7,000-10,000+ for a good TL30X6 safe, then pay a few thousand dollars to have that 4,000 pound object moved into your house, and then back that safe up with a quality alarm system. For the rest of us (like me), the chosen "safes" are always going to be a compromise, and it's hard to say whether it's good or not (depending on the threat you believe you're facing).
 
One other thing to consider is not just the durability of a gun safe (or RSC, as ColoradoKevin stated) but how it handles house fire. Not just the 'burnt to the ground' type of fire like was seen in California, but just having a fire cause a smoke-filled gun safe can give you endless problems.
I have a very nice RSC that I kept in the garage. It's relatively dry here most of the year and with a dry rod and a couple of absorbent devices, it did what I asked for. Fast-forward to July 19, 2018. Company truck caught on fire and then caught my garage on fire
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The fire damage was all on the corner opposite from where the safe was located. Mostly burned up papers and forms used in my job. The fire department was there quickly (considering the 4 trucks came from 3 different stations on the other side of town) in about 6 minutes. 15 minutes later the fire was out.
That was Thursday. On Sunday, I opened the safe and took a look. Here's what I found:
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All of that rust was a result of the combination from the water the firemen used and the chemicals in what all was burning. That made a VERY caustic mix that seeped into the safe. It didn't get hot enough in the neighborhood of the safe for the fire-resistant seal to expand.

Please check the fire rating on any RSC you may buy. Not just the rating, but, where, and how it was tested. Best is testing by UL (Underwriters Laboratory) I pray that none of you have to go through what people in California did with the devastation of a fire, or even the complete PITA my 'little' fire did to my belongings and home. But, should you have a fire where your safe is, it will pay to have the best fire rating available.
And, should you have to suffer through this, get your firearms OUT of the safe as soon as you can and get them cleaned up, even if you don't have any visible damage. That caustic crap is on there and you'll need to clean them off.
 
That just plain sucks but you know that and my heart goes out to you.

Years ago I fabricated my own sprinkler system for the gun room with a focus on above the safe, the main idea is to cool the area. I removed it as my gun area is looking at some major renovation but plan to replace it. We removed brand new sprinklers in a section where I worked for renovation and they were going to toss the sprinkler heads, I asked a worker to just "toss" them into my truck. :) Some new 3/4" pipe, a few ball valves and a check valve was all it took. My main safe is also home to my wife's jewelry collection and a pile of important documents.

Again, my heart goes out to you and I never want to endure what you have gone through.

Ron
 
Doesn't always matter how much weight is involved either,,,

Read where a guy had a safe full,,,, The safe itself, EMPTY, weighed 1400 lbs.

Came home after work,,, All gone,,,,,,

That’s why I don’t understand when you hear people say “my safe weighs X,XXX lbs, it ain’t going nowhere”. Bolt that sucker to the wall and floor in multiple location, with heavy duty bolts! Even better, stuff it in a corner so you can only reach some of those bolts from inside the safe.

When I bought my 950 lb safe off Craigslist, I showed up in my lifted Frontier with just my dad to help. The guy laughed when I got to his house and said “there’s no way the two of you are getting that safe in that truck, you need to come back with a trailer and a couple extra people”. 20 minutes later it was strapped down in my bed, not a scratch on it, and we were driving away. So you better believe I’ve got ½” bolts going through every bolt hole and sunk into concrete where it sits now.
 
i have a cheaper ~$600 china made safe.... however, the entire exterior of the house (including cable/phone box) is covered with security cams, the inside has indoor cams and doors have door-devil and quality locks... so you could take the cable box out and i get an alert immediately of you doing it, or you can break in and i get a nice video from the indoor cams... either way.... most burglars are in/out in 5 minutes and most of them dont want to bother attempting to crack open (even a cheap one) a safe and waste valuable time they could better spend on picking up iPads, medication, electronics.... down the road i want to get a US made safe but it's not urgent
 
My wife took over much of the space in my large safe so I moved out three or four 22 rifles that took up a lot of space and bought a small Stack-on with an electronic lock. I had to drill a couple of holes to attach it to the concrete wall and floor. Man for a low-cost product it took me a lot of force with a heavy duty Milwaukee drill to get through the metal. Overall I would consider the liability for a gun that was not properly secured in your home. If you really think about it, your large floor safe can keep all your papers thus eliminating the need for a bank safe deposit box. I bought my safe years ago and in those days it was a tax write-off for "income tax records" storage in you know what I mean..
 
I agree...An inexpensive safe is better than nothing. When I first started collecting guns I displayed a few of them but it didn't take me long to realize that it wasn't worth worrying about them getting stolen.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I do not own any long guns and my first thought of a safe was a bedside quick access pistol lock box with the idea that it will keep the pistol safe while our young grandchildren are visiting and safer than just leaving it in a drawer when we go out. Also with the understanding that it is not going to deter a burglar that is determined or knows what they are doing. At the same time I brought up that I also have an old 2 drawer locking file cabinet that easily holds both the wife's and my range bags. Again I do not see this as much of a deterrent but it is better than just leaving the loaded range bags in a closet. Again the out of sight out of mind, not quite so easy to get to.
 
I have security cameras that call my cell phone and automatically record video to "The cloud" if something sets them off. The safe, one of those lightweight ones is bolted to the wall since I'm in an apartment, and believe me, it will not be easy to even get one of the 8 bolts holding it on loose. Long before they can get it open, I will be calling the local PD who has a response time of usually less then a minute. The camera/alarm set up in the safe will scream at earsplitting level if the door is opened, it's shook past a little bump, or light hits it. And it calls me and I can talk to the perps before the cops arrive. Anyone/thing that opens my front door will not, at least none of my friends could, find the camera that takes a nice pic of anyone who opens the door and sends it to my phone. I caught one of the maintenance guys coming into my place and he got the boot for it when I showed the landlord the pics.
 
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